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Stinky The Clown

(67,765 posts)
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 04:06 PM Nov 2018

Mueller has apparently been blunted or neutered

Matthew Whittaker, the new acting AG, will now be Mueller's boss. Mueller can not do ANYTHING without Whittaker's approval.

For his part, Whittaker is one of very few DOJ officials who has been on the record as hostile to the special counsel.

The media speculation is that this ends the probe as it stands now, with no report being made or if made, never made public.

The media is sounding an alarm here. It is highly unethical that the subject of the investigation gets to choose the person in charge of the investigation. They are saying now is the time for people to speak out LOUDLY in opposition.

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Mueller has apparently been blunted or neutered (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Nov 2018 OP
Whitaker's 2017 OpEd on Mueller Investigation riverwalker Nov 2018 #1
If so we are in deep shit as a democracy. triron Nov 2018 #2
One thing he can learn from Sessions: Turbineguy Nov 2018 #3
drumpf and russian repugs don't care what people say, the election is over. lark Nov 2018 #4
For some reason I'm not that upset agingdem Nov 2018 #5
Time for pentagon papers. Redux. notdarkyet Nov 2018 #27
There are laws again willy nilly destroying paperwork YessirAtsaFact Nov 2018 #6
Mueller and the FBI have been neither blunted nor neutered. Nitram Nov 2018 #7
Not true edhopper Nov 2018 #11
You're dead wrong Stinky The Clown Nov 2018 #14
A "dead man switch?" What kind of fantasy world are you living in? Nitram Nov 2018 #15
Now that you've amused yourself, the term is real, with a real meaning. Stinky The Clown Nov 2018 #17
Sorry, I forgot about Mueller's plan to unleash a team of ninjas to kidnap Trump if he is fired. Nitram Nov 2018 #18
The last thing I "need" is advice from you, Marty. Stinky The Clown Nov 2018 #20
Only old friends and family call me Marty, but with your attitude, you could be either. Nitram Nov 2018 #22
Just like you've always done, Marty . . . . Stinky The Clown Nov 2018 #25
My, goodness! Such vitriol! Nitram Nov 2018 #35
It basically just means a plan B MikeMa2 Nov 2018 #21
a Plan B is exaclty what I alluded to in my original comment. Or not so much a "plan" as the Nitram Nov 2018 #23
I'm sure the Urban Dictionary has it. Let's just say my old boss's electric saw should have had one Hekate Nov 2018 #30
I've heard more than one commenter with govt experience say that... Hekate Nov 2018 #29
We have been at similar junctures before. Mueller isn't going anywhere. The job title may have Thekaspervote Nov 2018 #8
I'll wait a few days for in-depth analysis. LanternWaste Nov 2018 #9
yup, pretty much. dameatball Nov 2018 #34
The president should not be allowed to pick the person who oversees the investigation into himself DesertRat Nov 2018 #10
Same as candidates should not be able to oversee their election. Yet, we just saw that in Georgia. suffragette Nov 2018 #16
If so, then it's time for Mueller to farm out investigations to states where Trump can't touch them eleny Nov 2018 #12
When Nixon pulled this stunt, the files were all copied and secured for later use. displacedtexan Nov 2018 #13
This an illegal appointment Generic Brad Nov 2018 #19
Please don't put out sensationalist crap like this without backing it up... LincolnRossiter Nov 2018 #24
Wow, from zero to hair on fire Stinky The Clown Nov 2018 #26
Demonstrations at 5 Thursday. Grasswire2 Nov 2018 #28
Down at the County govt center. Be there or be square -- and bundle up. nt Hekate Nov 2018 #31
Firing Mueller won't help drumpf Takket Nov 2018 #32
Don't just hope for the best Midnightwalk Nov 2018 #33

lark

(23,065 posts)
4. drumpf and russian repugs don't care what people say, the election is over.
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 04:12 PM
Nov 2018

drumpf just cares about doing PUtin's bidding and making money for himself, those are the only things he actually gives a crap about. He hates brown/black & poor people, but just uses those to motivate other racist haters. If he can have Mueller's work destroyed without a report, it will be done and may be already happening. I don't think he can stop NY from trying him & family, but there will be no more federal investigations except in the House and he will defy them and get away with it because of Kavarape, Gorsuch, Thomas & Alito.

agingdem

(7,805 posts)
5. For some reason I'm not that upset
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 04:17 PM
Nov 2018

you think Mueller didn't see this coming...of course he did..that's why he handed so much of the investigation over to the states...also...Trump can fire Mueller but we've got the House...Mueller can be subpoenaed and testify before House committee and tell what he knows...this doesn't stop bc Rosenstein in rendered impotent...

Nitram

(22,768 posts)
7. Mueller and the FBI have been neither blunted nor neutered.
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 04:27 PM
Nov 2018

Last edited Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:26 AM - Edit history (2)

There are dozens of agents working on the investigation, and it has a momentum of its own which Whitless cannot derail. Let's avoid doubtful doomsday scenarios. Now that we have the House it will be far more difficult to stop investigations for partisan reasons.

edhopper

(33,490 posts)
11. Not true
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 05:05 PM
Nov 2018

The AG has the power to stop the investigation tomorrow. All those agents can be reassigned.

Stinky The Clown

(67,765 posts)
14. You're dead wrong
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 07:02 PM
Nov 2018

That said, conventional wisdom says Mueller has this anticipated and a dead man switch in place.

Stinky The Clown

(67,765 posts)
17. Now that you've amused yourself, the term is real, with a real meaning.
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 08:08 PM
Nov 2018

Given your attitude, I'll leave it to you to educate yourself.

Have a swell evening.

Nitram

(22,768 posts)
18. Sorry, I forgot about Mueller's plan to unleash a team of ninjas to kidnap Trump if he is fired.
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 10:12 PM
Nov 2018

Stinky, don't get all righteous after telling me I'm "dead wrong" without offering a single shred of evidence that I am. You need to work on your attitude before dishing out advice about attitudes. Have a wonderful week!

Stinky The Clown

(67,765 posts)
20. The last thing I "need" is advice from you, Marty.
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 11:05 PM
Nov 2018

As to attitude, mine is fucking rotten. Always was, always will be.

You're still dead wrong, by the way. Dead. Fucking. Wrong.

Nitram

(22,768 posts)
22. Only old friends and family call me Marty, but with your attitude, you could be either.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:24 AM
Nov 2018

Keep digging that hole, dude. After Mueller has turned in his completed report I'll reach down and give you a hand out.

Stinky The Clown

(67,765 posts)
25. Just like you've always done, Marty . . . .
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 01:42 PM
Nov 2018

. . . . fucking up and then covering it with bluster and sarcasm.

Then OP was, as stated, speculative. This is a discussion board, not a news site. Speculation is often discussed.

You don't know what a dead man switch is. I speculated there is one. Or two or three. Which speculates that Mueller can well navigate through this.

But you go ahead, Marty. Bluster away. As I usually do, I tire easily of talking to you. Bye.

Nitram

(22,768 posts)
23. a Plan B is exaclty what I alluded to in my original comment. Or not so much a "plan" as the
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:25 AM
Nov 2018

breadth and depth of the FBI as an institution.

Hekate

(90,565 posts)
30. I'm sure the Urban Dictionary has it. Let's just say my old boss's electric saw should have had one
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 01:59 PM
Nov 2018

He was lucky he didn't lose his thumb.

The term is still in use, even though I first heard it as a small child back in the Pleistocene.

Hekate

(90,565 posts)
29. I've heard more than one commenter with govt experience say that...
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 01:54 PM
Nov 2018

I particularly liked Nicolle Wallace's imagery from some weeks back. (month? years? one loses all sense of time)

She painted a word picture of an embassy surrounded by terrorists, and the job of the ambassador was to hit the "send" button on all vital docs. She thought the time was fast approaching.

Thekaspervote

(32,715 posts)
8. We have been at similar junctures before. Mueller isn't going anywhere. The job title may have
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 04:53 PM
Nov 2018

Changed but the investigation and the evidence will be there

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
9. I'll wait a few days for in-depth analysis.
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 04:56 PM
Nov 2018

There's a lot of guess-work happening in regards to Sessions' removal, and both the immediate as well as the longer-term consequences of that change.

I'm reading too many opinions from DC insiders which counter, or even contradict one another.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
16. Same as candidates should not be able to oversee their election. Yet, we just saw that in Georgia.
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 07:56 PM
Nov 2018

They flout the normal rules time and again.
It is a dangerous time, indeed.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
12. If so, then it's time for Mueller to farm out investigations to states where Trump can't touch them
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 05:15 PM
Nov 2018

We've got some good chess moves, too.

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
13. When Nixon pulled this stunt, the files were all copied and secured for later use.
Wed Nov 7, 2018, 05:18 PM
Nov 2018

And we all know how that went.

LincolnRossiter

(560 posts)
24. Please don't put out sensationalist crap like this without backing it up...
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:30 AM
Nov 2018

Trump's a dumb, crooked shit. But he'll have to tread more lightly than that. This is a legal matter and the DoJ and Special Counsel have codified authorities than can be fought for in court. Unless he tries to tear up Mueller's commission and/or straight up fire him, he can't just get his hands all in the pot.

Even some of the cowards in the Senate would cry foul.

Stinky The Clown

(67,765 posts)
26. Wow, from zero to hair on fire
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 01:44 PM
Nov 2018

The OP was speculative. The clue was "apparently".

And I can only wish I had the influence to "put things out there" in any meaningful way.

Have fun. Sea around campus.

Takket

(21,529 posts)
32. Firing Mueller won't help drumpf
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 02:06 PM
Nov 2018

All the evidence is already collected and the House can just fund Mueller to pick up right where he left off in January.

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
33. Don't just hope for the best
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 02:06 PM
Nov 2018

Maybe the new house can subpoena people and have public hearings. Maybe the states will prosecute.

Rosenstein being removed was called a trigger point for a reason. I'll be at today's 5pm protests and future ones. There is likely one near most people. Here's where to find out

[link:http://act.moveon.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response/search/?akid=.37597971.MscvEB|]

I'd rather be called an alarmist than have to looke back and regret not doing what I could. From

They Thought They Were Free



"But your friends are fewer now. Some have drifted off somewhere or submerged themselves in their work. You no longer see as many as you did at meetings or gatherings. Informal groups become smaller; attendance drops off in little organizations, and the organizations themselves wither. Now, in small gatherings of your oldest friends, you feel that you are talking to yourselves, that you are isolated from the reality of things. This weakens your confidence still further and serves as a further deterrent to—to what? It is clearer all the time that, if you are going to do anything, you must make an occasion to do it, and then you are obviously a troublemaker. So you wait, and you wait.

"But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.



[link:http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html|]
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