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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:04 PM Nov 2018

Until we have 67 Senators who will vote to impeach DT, attempts do so are futile.

Last edited Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:44 PM - Edit history (2)

Two-thirds of the Senate must vote to convict before an official can be removed via impeachment.

We can't expect miracles, and condem our leaders in congress for being unable to deliver them in 2019.

We need to let the investigations bring the full corruption to light before it's put on the table. If law enforcement is doing the exposing of the crime, the GOP can't say it's a witch hunt - which they will if it's impeachment out of the gate.

Edited to add: Convicting the small players first is how mob investigators do it. You make the guy at the top sweat, and be more willing to avoid what he sees coming. Get his kids first. He might just resign.

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Until we have 67 Senators who will vote to impeach DT, attempts do so are futile. (Original Post) ehrnst Nov 2018 OP
We hold lots of investigations DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2018 #1
Yes. Demanding impeachment hearings in January will be counterproductive. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2018 #3
agreed that this is the way to go NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #23
The majority of Republican Senators will be up for reelection in 2020 htuttle Nov 2018 #2
:) Apparently so! The nation's taken a shift to the left. Hortensis Nov 2018 #69
Why malaise Nov 2018 #4
He knew that there were Republicans that would vote him out. It was another era, another GOP. ehrnst Nov 2018 #5
And a spineless, complict Republican party desperately holding onto power by catbyte Nov 2018 #52
Yep. W_HAMILTON Nov 2018 #6
In what way are "we refusing to punish Republicans?" ehrnst Nov 2018 #8
By not impeaching if Trump is found to have committed impeachable crimes. W_HAMILTON Nov 2018 #20
That's what investigations are for... ehrnst Nov 2018 #29
Senators dont vote to impeach thatz s the house Fullduplexxx Nov 2018 #7
Actually yes, they do. The House votes and makes the case to the Senate, then the Senate votes. ehrnst Nov 2018 #11
The house votes to impeach the senate votes to remove Fullduplexxx Nov 2018 #13
Correct malaise Nov 2018 #16
Yes the house votes, but the Senate has to remove. We don't have the votes in the Senate. ehrnst Nov 2018 #22
I fully understand the process im not the one who said that we need 67 senators to impeach Fullduplexxx Nov 2018 #42
Clinton JennyMominFL Nov 2018 #14
Yes, without the 67 votes in the Senate, impeachment is futile. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2018 #24
If we have the votes we should go ahead with impeaching him regardless of the Senate. honest.abe Nov 2018 #9
It would be a waste of resources and time. ehrnst Nov 2018 #17
If we dont, then the assumption is he doesnt deserve to be impeached. honest.abe Nov 2018 #19
Not impeaching when it's futile doesn't mean "everything's GREAT!" ehrnst Nov 2018 #35
Trump is our version of Mussolini/Hitler. honest.abe Nov 2018 #37
If law enforcement is doing the exposing, the GOP can't say it's a witch hunt ehrnst Nov 2018 #38
I didnt say right out of the gate. honest.abe Nov 2018 #41
So why are you arguing with me? That's my whole point. ehrnst Nov 2018 #43
My argument is that we have to impeach. honest.abe Nov 2018 #45
No it is not. A show trial is the last thing we need at this juncture. Independents absolutely.... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2018 #44
God, how strong a case do you need??? honest.abe Nov 2018 #47
I'm sorry, but rightwingers were making a similar case for removing Obama. You can't just... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2018 #49
OMG, I cant believe you are comparing Obama to Trump. honest.abe Nov 2018 #51
I was making no comparison between the two. I merely stated that the same arguments you.... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2018 #56
Futile gestures cause people to lose faith brer cat Nov 2018 #68
When Democrats started the impeachment of Richard Nixon they didn't have the votes... PoliticAverse Nov 2018 #10
Nixon knew there would be Republicans who would vote to impeach. And we know our Senate GOP ehrnst Nov 2018 #12
You shame them into voting for impeachment Jersey Devil Nov 2018 #15
You don't start out with impeachment because the GOP has no shame. ehrnst Nov 2018 #18
There's just ONE shot at impeachment NastyRiffraff Nov 2018 #75
Shame? You think today's GOP has the capability of shame? They defended and confirmed Kavanaugh. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2018 #59
Agree 100%. BUT unprincipled self interest Hortensis Nov 2018 #70
There's an argument to be made for impeaching him anyway. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #21
They defended Kavanaugh. That's the precedent they sent. And now there are more of them.(nt) ehrnst Nov 2018 #25
We were still right in trying to block Kavanaugh even though we were going to lose. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #28
Of course we were. There wasn't any other option, and we had the possibilty of moving a few votes. ehrnst Nov 2018 #30
It takes 67 votes to convict and remove in the Senate Gothmog Nov 2018 #46
Clinton lied about having an affair. Trump is the most criminal president in history. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #48
I want to see what Mueller has to say Gothmog Nov 2018 #61
I know we wouldn't get conviction, but sometimes you just have to do what's right. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #63
Sometimes you have to do what's right Poiuyt Nov 2018 #71
Yes, republican Senators defended Kavanaugh and they gained seats on Tuesday.... George II Nov 2018 #65
I don't think we lost seats because of Kavanaugh. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #67
Exactly honest.abe Nov 2018 #26
Impeachment without a possibility of getting a conviction would make the Democrats look... George II Nov 2018 #64
We don't know that for sure. There's no precedent for a president *this* criminal. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #66
While it seems incontrovertible that the GOP would not vote to impeach and remove Mr. Ected Nov 2018 #27
I think that's what investigations are for. Not impeachment procedings. ehrnst Nov 2018 #32
While the statement in the OP is true, it is also true that until Mueller's report is released, plus still_one Nov 2018 #31
Impeachement would put the facts in front of the people Tribalceltic Nov 2018 #33
+1 honest.abe Nov 2018 #34
Actually, testimony puts the facts in front of the people. ehrnst Nov 2018 #36
I agree. elfin Nov 2018 #39
I think that demanding impeachment as soon as January is not only stupid ehrnst Nov 2018 #40
House impeaches. Senate convicts. haele Nov 2018 #50
However, Congress could refer Trump Jr and Eric Prince and Kushner.... dawg day Nov 2018 #53
That was the case with President Clinton Catherine Vincent Nov 2018 #54
The GOP lost seats in 1998 when they pulled this stunt Gothmog Nov 2018 #55
Good grief. There is no comparison. honest.abe Nov 2018 #62
So , Dems shouldnt propose any legislation the next 2 years either? Fiendish Thingy Nov 2018 #57
If the evidence is there maxrandb Nov 2018 #58
But it's important to let Trump know that option is always on the table Blue_Tires Nov 2018 #60
If the Mueller report shows that impeachment is warranted, then the House should proceed Poiuyt Nov 2018 #72
I wonder if repugs were waiting to see what happened at mid terms Buckeyeblue Nov 2018 #73
It raises awareness and also makes him do less harm n/t Odoreida Nov 2018 #74
Go after him legally. Taxes/business. AG. Mueller. Kavanaugh placement. All legally. Four prong. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #76
True, but... davekriss Nov 2018 #77
Impeach him and then let some of those vulnerable GOP Senators vote to aquit book_worm Nov 2018 #78
I'm sure the dems are waiting for the Mueller report. vsrazdem Nov 2018 #79

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
1. We hold lots of investigations
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:05 PM
Nov 2018

We hold lots of investigations, dirty him up more than he already is, and make him run in 2020 under an ethical cloud.

NewJeffCT

(56,827 posts)
23. agreed that this is the way to go
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:19 PM
Nov 2018

and, if more comes out - and it will - he might start losing some of his GOP support in Congress.

And, if semi-morons like Don Jr, Jared Kushner, Eric Trump, Rudy Giuliani, etc are called to testify in public and on TV and make major gaffes and/or stab each other in the back, it could open up the floodgates.

htuttle

(23,738 posts)
2. The majority of Republican Senators will be up for reelection in 2020
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:07 PM
Nov 2018

They'll be more sensitive to public pressure than usual.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
69. :) Apparently so! The nation's taken a shift to the left.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 11:12 AM
Nov 2018

In 2016 only America's cities were majority blue. Now we know the outer suburbs have moved majority blue, and even America's rural areas are slightly lighter red.

We can thank the Republican congress for putting their intense corruption, extremism, cowardice and massive betrayals on full display, of course.

Now most will not only be much less afraid to cross Trump, but should be afraid NOT to oppose at least the worst of his vicious and dangerous actions. Plus, house members now have a Democratic majority they all can blame for failing to be nasty and extreme enough.

As for those Republican senators, whose determined betrayals threaten to bring down our democracy, their majority is now known to be very unlikely to survive 2020.

It's looking as if the electorate's role in creating our national emergency probably finally peaked, but we're now able to see it.





 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
5. He knew that there were Republicans that would vote him out. It was another era, another GOP.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:08 PM
Nov 2018

We are dealing with a personality that has a tenuous grip on reality - even more so than Nixon.

catbyte

(34,174 posts)
52. And a spineless, complict Republican party desperately holding onto power by
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:07 PM
Nov 2018

any means necessary, including betraying their oath of office, selling out the country, and protecting a treasonous criminal. If Nixon had had today's Republicans in the Senate, he never would've resigned.

W_HAMILTON

(7,813 posts)
6. Yep.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:08 PM
Nov 2018

And the more we refuse to punish Republicans for their criminality, the more criminal they will become.

W_HAMILTON

(7,813 posts)
20. By not impeaching if Trump is found to have committed impeachable crimes.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:17 PM
Nov 2018

Doing so will only embolden Republicans to commit more criminal acts.

History will not look kindly on anyone that enabled them.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
29. That's what investigations are for...
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:27 PM
Nov 2018

No amount of evidence against Kavanaugh would make them vote against him.

History will not look kindly on our leaders if they waste time with impeachment hearings with no possibility of success.

Remember when the GOP voted dozens of times to "repeal and replace" with no chance whatsoever?







 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
11. Actually yes, they do. The House votes and makes the case to the Senate, then the Senate votes.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:11 PM
Nov 2018

The Senate voted not to impeach Bill Clinton.

Fullduplexxx

(7,818 posts)
13. The house votes to impeach the senate votes to remove
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:13 PM
Nov 2018

Bill clinton was impeached but the senate didnt have the votes to have him removed

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
22. Yes the house votes, but the Senate has to remove. We don't have the votes in the Senate.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:18 PM
Nov 2018

Is that clearer?

honest.abe

(8,556 posts)
9. If we have the votes we should go ahead with impeaching him regardless of the Senate.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:10 PM
Nov 2018

Its the principle of the matter. The man is a lunatic, a crook and cheated his way into office. He is a perfect example of a President who should be impeached.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
17. It would be a waste of resources and time.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:16 PM
Nov 2018

It would be as stupid as dozens of votes to "repeal and replace" during Obama's administration. We are certainly more adult than the tea party, I hope.

Or Gore still fighting for a recount to be accepted after SCOTUS ruled that no recount would be accepted.

We need to investigate and bring everything to light.

honest.abe

(8,556 posts)
19. If we dont, then the assumption is he doesnt deserve to be impeached.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:17 PM
Nov 2018

That is the wrong message to send to America and the world.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
35. Not impeaching when it's futile doesn't mean "everything's GREAT!"
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:31 PM
Nov 2018

No, it shows that we aren't as stupid as the tea partiers who thought that repeal and replace votes had a chance.

At least I hope we aren't.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
38. If law enforcement is doing the exposing, the GOP can't say it's a witch hunt
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:39 PM
Nov 2018

Which they will if we impeach right out of the gate.

You seem to think that anything short of impeachment procedings is somehow complicit on the part of Democrats.

Stupid futile gestures don't accomplish anything but people losing faith in their leaders' judgement.

honest.abe

(8,556 posts)
41. I didnt say right out of the gate.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:43 PM
Nov 2018

We should do a round of investigations then with that evidence impeach.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
43. So why are you arguing with me? That's my whole point.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:46 PM
Nov 2018

Go after his kids and low ranking members first, like mob investigators do.

That gets the ones higher up willing to turn. Then we may not need impeachment that they can block in the Senate.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,211 posts)
44. No it is not. A show trial is the last thing we need at this juncture. Independents absolutely....
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:46 PM
Nov 2018

hate impeachment, unless a strong case has been made, and that's why we need to wait on Mueller. We tried in WI to remove Scott Walker through a referendum, and independents saved his ass. Bill Clinton received some of his highest approval ratings during and after impeachment. It can backfire, and make Trump even stronger in 2020.

honest.abe

(8,556 posts)
47. God, how strong a case do you need???
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:50 PM
Nov 2018

This man is a complete lunatic and threat to the world.

I cannot imagine a more worthy individual of impeachment.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,211 posts)
49. I'm sorry, but rightwingers were making a similar case for removing Obama. You can't just...
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:59 PM
Nov 2018

impeach because you don't like the POTUS. As I said, I think the Democrats' patience with regard to impeachment will be rewarded with even greater gains in 2020, especially if the Mueller report delivers.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,211 posts)
56. I was making no comparison between the two. I merely stated that the same arguments you....
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:17 PM
Nov 2018

make against Trump were being made during Obama's presidency. They were insane, but the activist base were calling for Obama's impeachment over healthcare and immigration. "Argument" ended.

brer cat

(24,402 posts)
68. Futile gestures cause people to lose faith
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 10:16 AM
Nov 2018

in their leaders' judgment. If trump is impeached then the Senate votes against the House, it will be touted as vindication of trump. That isn't a win for anyone.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
10. When Democrats started the impeachment of Richard Nixon they didn't have the votes...
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:10 PM
Nov 2018

in the Senate to convict. It was the investigation by the House Judiciary committee that produced the evidence
that provided the votes.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
12. Nixon knew there would be Republicans who would vote to impeach. And we know our Senate GOP
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:12 PM
Nov 2018

Is there by the graces of DT. They will not oppose him if they think their base will retaliate.

Jersey Devil

(9,863 posts)
15. You shame them into voting for impeachment
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:14 PM
Nov 2018

You have public hearings that force them to vote for impeachment due to the overwhelming evidence. If there is proof of money laundering, a quid pro quo with the russians - campaign money for Hillary emails - they will have to vote yes or every single one of them will lose their next election.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
18. You don't start out with impeachment because the GOP has no shame.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:17 PM
Nov 2018

We saw that with the Kavanaugh hearings.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
75. There's just ONE shot at impeachment
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 04:16 PM
Nov 2018

We don't get to try it twice. If we move to impeach, it should be with the goal of getting this monster out of the White House. Anything else is just noise. We're not going to get 67 votes in the Senate; McConnell & his caucus won't go against Trump for ANYTHING; definitely not voting to remove him from office. We can debate why that's true, but it's clearly very true.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,211 posts)
59. Shame? You think today's GOP has the capability of shame? They defended and confirmed Kavanaugh.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:20 PM
Nov 2018

They kept a USSC vacancy for a year just so they could seat one of their own. They have no shame.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
70. Agree 100%. BUT unprincipled self interest
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 11:30 AM
Nov 2018

fills the voids left by abandonment of honor and duty. And that can work for us also.

I do of course agree 100% with Ehrnst. The Republicans have apparently normalized in many minds the corrupt use of the impeachment process as a political tool. That's both very wrong and very damaging to our nation, though, and we don't do that.

Our largest duty through all this will be to reestablish proper, principled working of government and to display it to the nation in order to restore trust and confidence.

Very unlike those Republicans who would love to feed their "red in tooth and claw" base by insisting on vengeance and punishment, as protectors of our democracy the Democratic Party has to consider how to limit the damage to the nation of removing a president who was elected and is still supported by many millions.

So, though there was a lot of argument for removing and prosecuting Nixon in the '70s, we reached bipartisan agreement to accept Nixon's resignation. In the '80s we even made a deal with the Republicans to allow Reagan (probably already showing his dementia) to remain in office by having a highly respected Republican senator come out of retirement to be his chief of staff. (We couldn't find one of those now even if Trump were directable, of course, so that won't be an option.)

There could be a situation in which we might, as some have suggested, have a duty to impeach as a statement to the nation -- even if we didn't have sufficient bipartisan agreement to remove. But without bipartisan leadership support, that would cause further anger and distrust, and we'd do our best to find another way to fulfill that duty.

Happily, the national vote is now showing cowardly and unprincipled Republicans in congress that most have even more to fear from crossing the electorate than crossing Trump. We now know eventual bipartisan agreement on the need to remove Trump from office has become far more possible.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
21. There's an argument to be made for impeaching him anyway.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:18 PM
Nov 2018

For one thing, it's risky to establish a precedent of not impeaching when a candidate is more than worthy of impeachment.

And forcing Republicans to defend non-conviction could be worthwhile.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
28. We were still right in trying to block Kavanaugh even though we were going to lose.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:27 PM
Nov 2018

Trump is a traitor who has obstructed justice, violated court orders and other laws, lies constantly, incites violence, kidnaps children, and so on. Sometimes we have to do the right thing just because.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
30. Of course we were. There wasn't any other option, and we had the possibilty of moving a few votes.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:28 PM
Nov 2018

There are more GOP in the Senate now, and even less chance of convincing them to impeach than to vote against a SCOTUS pick...

Investigations are more effective and sensible. That way the GOP can't say it's a witch hunt, if law enforcement is the one doing the exposing...

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
46. It takes 67 votes to convict and remove in the Senate
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:49 PM
Nov 2018

IN 1998, the GOP announced that they were impeaching Clinton in the House and lost seats in a midterm. That was one of the few midterms where the party that held the White House picked up seats in the House.

I am not in favor of impeaching trump unless we have the votes to convict and remove

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
48. Clinton lied about having an affair. Trump is the most criminal president in history.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:58 PM
Nov 2018

Let's see what Mueller has to say.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
61. I want to see what Mueller has to say
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:27 PM
Nov 2018

Just understand that facts do not matter to GOP senators and you will not likely find 17 to 19 GOP senators who will flip. They are too afraid of being attacked by trump and being primaried

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
63. I know we wouldn't get conviction, but sometimes you just have to do what's right.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:18 PM
Nov 2018

And I'm not convinced that it wouldn't be politically expedient. As I said before, force Republicans to defend a criminal and maybe splinter their caucus.

George II

(67,782 posts)
65. Yes, republican Senators defended Kavanaugh and they gained seats on Tuesday....
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:20 PM
Nov 2018

....I don't want to put republicans in a position to set a precedent like that.

A similar outcome might happen if we take action (impeachment) that we know ahead of time would fail.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
67. I don't think we lost seats because of Kavanaugh.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:33 PM
Nov 2018

We lost seats because the Senate map this year was always very unfavorable.

Voting against Kavanaugh was clearly the right thing to do. The only ethical thing to do.

George II

(67,782 posts)
64. Impeachment without a possibility of getting a conviction would make the Democrats look...
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:12 PM
Nov 2018

...vindictive and petty.

I'm sure the impeachment would be successful (in the House) but conviction is virtually impossible and fail (in the Senate) Failing to get a conviction would not be a good thing for Democrats.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
66. We don't know that for sure. There's no precedent for a president *this* criminal.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:30 PM
Nov 2018

Nixon had nothing on Trump. Those drawing comparisons to Clinton are just being silly, as there's no comparison whatsoever. He lied about having an affair.

Public support for impeachment of Trump is already remarkably high and Mueller has much more to report, I'm sure. Also, impeachment hearings would draw out a lot more information. The case can easily be made that *not* convicting Trump would be criminal.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
27. While it seems incontrovertible that the GOP would not vote to impeach and remove
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:26 PM
Nov 2018

I truly wonder what the revelation of dozens upon dozens of charges against Trump for crimes myriad in nature, overwhelming evidence of crimes having been committed, each one of them individually wrapped and delivered by a frenzied media force, many of whom relishing the opportunity to strike back at the fascist pig.

We haven't entered that world yet. It may be around the corner. The Senate may not have a choice here. We're so used to hearing "fake news" and "witch hunt" without a corresponding retort from Mueller that it has dampened our spirits. I think Mueller is going to pack a wallop that no one could even fathom at this moment.

Maybe impeachment won't be the problem we imagine it will be.

still_one

(91,965 posts)
31. While the statement in the OP is true, it is also true that until Mueller's report is released, plus
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:28 PM
Nov 2018

any other information the House finds during its investigation is known, we cannot assume that all the republicans in the Senate will not necessarily vote to convict based on that information. As deceitful and bad as the republicans have been if the information is as bad and as incriminating as I suspect it will be, especially in regard to engaging a foreign power to interfere in our election, aong with compromising our national security, I do not think we can assume we won't have the 2/3 votes.

More than that though, if the information is incriminating and serious enough, it would be a dereliction of duty if impeachment was NOT pursued in the House, even if it could not be guaranteed that the Senate would convict. The House is the representative of the public, and it is their responsibility to pursue it if the charges are as bad as they appear to be, regardless of the outcome of the trial in the Senate.

Tribalceltic

(1,000 posts)
33. Impeachement would put the facts in front of the people
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:29 PM
Nov 2018

Shine a light on the Evil that has happened.

Make the Republican Senators explain Why they allowed it to happen.

It is time we took control of the narrative.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
36. Actually, testimony puts the facts in front of the people.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:33 PM
Nov 2018

One can have multiple investigations without impeachment hearings.

If law enforcement is doing the exposing, the GOP can't say it's a witch hunt - which they can if it's impeachment out of the gate.

elfin

(6,262 posts)
39. I agree.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:40 PM
Nov 2018

Enough votes need to be lined up or realistically expected even before the Impeachment trial starts.

No way enough of these horrible Repug. senators would go along.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
40. I think that demanding impeachment as soon as January is not only stupid
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 07:41 PM
Nov 2018

it could be premature without all the evidence.

haele

(12,581 posts)
50. House impeaches. Senate convicts.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:00 PM
Nov 2018

But I get your point. However, who knows what cowards will do, and we all know the GOP is full of weasels out for themselves. Given throwing Drumpf out or facing more angry backers than Trumpteers, we might get a few votes our way.

Haele

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
53. However, Congress could refer Trump Jr and Eric Prince and Kushner....
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:08 PM
Nov 2018

for lying to congress under oath.

Putting Trump's sons and DeVos brother in jail would make up for a lot.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
55. The GOP lost seats in 1998 when they pulled this stunt
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:16 PM
Nov 2018

I am not in favor of this stunt unless we have the votes

honest.abe

(8,556 posts)
62. Good grief. There is no comparison.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:57 PM
Nov 2018

Bill got a BJ. Trump is an evil psychopath bent on being America's first Dictator.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,369 posts)
57. So , Dems shouldnt propose any legislation the next 2 years either?
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:18 PM
Nov 2018

After all, it’s futile...

Congress should investigate the shit out of Trump, his administration and his family. If the evidence warrants (and how could it not), impeachment hearing must be held, futility or not, because holding the president accountable IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

maxrandb

(15,192 posts)
58. If the evidence is there
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:20 PM
Nov 2018

There is a constitutional requirement to impeach.

Let the American people see the direct and overwhelming evidence of this shitgibbons crimes and then dare the Retrumplicans to aquit him.

Poiuyt

(18,087 posts)
72. If the Mueller report shows that impeachment is warranted, then the House should proceed
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 11:43 AM
Nov 2018

I want Trump to go down in history as having been impeached

Buckeyeblue

(5,491 posts)
73. I wonder if repugs were waiting to see what happened at mid terms
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 11:44 AM
Nov 2018

Which is why they did nothing to push back for the last two years. Was 2016 an anomaly or was the country really moving that far right? If the dems hadn't taken the house back, the next two years would have been a full sprint to implement their agenda to end SSI, workers rights, abortion rights, everything.

But now with the dems dominating the midterms, repugs have to start pushing back against 45 if they want to save their political future. If the repugs wanted to get rid of 45 they could impeach him quickly at the start of next year. The dems would carry most of the blame and for those Senate repugs who went along with it, they would have almost 2 years for it to blow over. Then they have a lame duck president who cannot win the nomination. And that would give the rank and file plenty of time to raise money to make a big push in 2020.

The deplorables will scream but they will get over it.

davekriss

(4,608 posts)
77. True, but...
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 04:23 PM
Nov 2018

I like the idea that the truth about Trump comes out on the national stage. We won’t get a conviction, but we will hear the real truth about this horrible man.

book_worm

(15,951 posts)
78. Impeach him and then let some of those vulnerable GOP Senators vote to aquit
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 04:24 PM
Nov 2018

and see how it affects their elections especially if there is a strong case for removing Trump from office.

vsrazdem

(2,176 posts)
79. I'm sure the dems are waiting for the Mueller report.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 04:34 PM
Nov 2018

Once that comes out they will have to make a decision. In my opinion there will be impeachable offenses and they will vote for impeachment. The senate will have to have a trial and it is for sure that will become public. It is the public sentiment that will determine how the senators vote, not Trump. It the evidence is overwhelming, there is no way they are going to put their jobs on the line for Trump.

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