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boston bean

(36,218 posts)
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:59 PM Nov 2018

Two fucking days later and they realize it was a BLUE WAVE.

Screw off Carville and Tapper two idiots who stated over and over it wasn’t a blue wave. Changing the narrative by spouting falsehoods.

Allowing trump cover through lies that he didn’t have such a bad night.

Damn!!

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Two fucking days later and they realize it was a BLUE WAVE. (Original Post) boston bean Nov 2018 OP
Ari Melber did a great segment with lots of data supporting spooky3 Nov 2018 #1
Ari did a great job. He's the one guy I watch religiously. dem4decades Nov 2018 #5
May I interject? Here's another proof of a huge blue wave: DemocracyMouse Nov 2018 #53
An anecdote supporting that--I'm in a very blue district and not only did spooky3 Nov 2018 #55
He has been tweeting clips and his graph that I finally got! BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #13
Thanks! spooky3 Nov 2018 #14
It would have been 60 seats without gerrymandering. dem4decades Nov 2018 #57
+1 uponit7771 Nov 2018 #28
Yep Hav Nov 2018 #2
Check this link out! Jeffersons Ghost Nov 2018 #4
I think a lot of people were concerned. David__77 Nov 2018 #3
Thank you. Agree. The media runs this country. zonkers Nov 2018 #6
Add Michael Moore To That List Me. Nov 2018 #7
Haha.. Moore didn't Cha Nov 2018 #11
What A Phoney Baloney Me. Nov 2018 #12
WORSE! Cha Nov 2018 #19
... Me. Nov 2018 #26
He is a has-been celebrity activist LakeArenal Nov 2018 #38
.. Cha Nov 2018 #45
I think Rebl2 Nov 2018 #37
Definitely and the M$M like Cha Nov 2018 #43
+++ agree. Moore was such a Debbie Downer in late days of election that I tuned him out. iluvtennis Nov 2018 #58
What is his Cha Nov 2018 #63
Not sure Cha. I just don't like it when Dems go on TV and speak negatively about other Dems iluvtennis Nov 2018 #64
Exactly! We do this together.. No Dissing Dems! Cha Nov 2018 #65
MM can piss off. He thinks only Michelle Obama John Fante Nov 2018 #77
Moore now predicts that Democrats can't win against Trump in 2020 if they run a politician. betsuni Nov 2018 #17
BS "couldn't see a blue wave" either.. Cha Nov 2018 #24
Oh, sorry, I will edit to make it clear. betsuni Nov 2018 #34
lol.. Cha Nov 2018 #42
Lucky you! betsuni Nov 2018 #44
Thank You, betsuni.. Cha Nov 2018 #61
Are They Different? Me. Nov 2018 #50
.. Cha Nov 2018 #62
I heard him say that bdamomma Nov 2018 #29
Doesn't make sense, I agree. betsuni Nov 2018 #39
Shattered Me. Nov 2018 #31
Lots of talking heads and politicians trying to catch the big blue bus GulfCoast66 Nov 2018 #41
MM was just on Lawrence O's show amuse bouche Nov 2018 #54
Finally! A positive post about Michael Moore to which I can respond! I also hostalover Nov 2018 #70
I hate it too. shanny Nov 2018 #76
Fucking media****** TOOLS! Cha Nov 2018 #8
Sadly, depsite the hard #'s , the effect of their early false calls will still mute any popular zonkers Nov 2018 #9
Is is partially our fault for listening to predictions so early in the night. nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #10
Some of us followed 538 and called it for Dems malaise Nov 2018 #22
Well, not really. At one point Nate had chance Dems win house in the 36% range...... USALiberal Nov 2018 #25
Yeah jcgoldie Nov 2018 #27
LOL, me too! I was freaking out. Learned a lesson though! nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #30
JCGoldie, that's so hilarious as I was pissed HBO was off my DISH too for the same reason!! BluegrassDem Nov 2018 #32
All the doom and gloom early on mcar Nov 2018 #15
It got so gloomy I stopped watching coverage when I saw that "Galaxy Quest" was on TV. betsuni Nov 2018 #40
When we did not convincingly win Florida and Georgia GulfCoast66 Nov 2018 #16
I was a blue wave by any measure. SunSeeker Nov 2018 #18
Carville was a huge factor on dumpy a bucket of ice water on all us, election night. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #20
Carville was on his... LovingA2andMI Nov 2018 #36
AKA the 50 state strategy. GulfCoast66 Nov 2018 #46
I see. Thanks. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #49
What is centrist in one state or district is not the same in another. LiberalFighter Nov 2018 #79
Tonight is our election night! tandem5 Nov 2018 #21
Yes...but... Duppers Nov 2018 #23
George W said SCantiGOP Nov 2018 #33
And what about the caravan. c-rational Nov 2018 #35
On to 2020!! workinclasszero Nov 2018 #47
Where did you see this, workingclasszero ? Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2018 #52
I did a google search on blue wave 2020. This image of a pin popped up. Pretty sure it's buyable workinclasszero Nov 2018 #66
found something xxqqqzme Nov 2018 #75
Ah-ha-ha-ha-ha-haaaa... Wipeout!! Beartracks Nov 2018 #74
And that whole CNN video bit was another sleight of hand. C Moon Nov 2018 #48
I didn't expect we would pick up this many seats elmac Nov 2018 #51
Michael Moore was just on Lawrence O'Donnell and he said BigmanPigman Nov 2018 #56
I saw that interview. Michael Moore was very impressive. He is thrilled with the election results! hostalover Nov 2018 #71
It is the biggest blue wave since Nixon and he is right... BigmanPigman Nov 2018 #72
Absolutely! hostalover Nov 2018 #73
Carville, who wrote "40 More Years" after President Obama's win Firebrand Gary Nov 2018 #59
No shit TheRealNorth Nov 2018 #60
Trump is right. Fake News. zonkers Nov 2018 #67
Sorry Trumper, it's a blue wave, and it will carry over John Fante Nov 2018 #78
Better late than never? lillypaddle Nov 2018 #68
And you know on the Sunday talk shows they will have only repukes on discussing how the kimbutgar Nov 2018 #69

spooky3

(34,405 posts)
1. Ari Melber did a great segment with lots of data supporting
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:01 PM
Nov 2018

the Blue Wave characterization. If you get a chance to catch a rerun or online clip it is worth a look.

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
53. May I interject? Here's another proof of a huge blue wave:
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:19 PM
Nov 2018

One hour ago I was talking to a political science major at Princeton and she was looking at lists of election data online. She said, essentially, that Dem enthusiasm was through the roof compared to that of the Republicans. Here’s what she found (this is based on a cursory glance and deserves a proper crunching):

Republicans winning with over 70% of the vote in a Red district: 12%
Democrats receiving over 70% of the vote in a blue district: 71%

Dems had, in effect, seven times the enthusiasm.

(Again, that’s based on a quick glance at the numbers.)

spooky3

(34,405 posts)
55. An anecdote supporting that--I'm in a very blue district and not only did
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:28 PM
Nov 2018

our rep get re-elected by >70%, we had record % turnout for a non-Presidential year--highest since the 1960s IIRC. And I'm in VA where we elect Governors in odd years (such as 2017), so there are even more years to beat than typical. We are among the states judged "difficult" to vote in because we don't have early voting other than absentee, etc. We had a few local issues but nothing out of the ordinary, so it would have been easy to understand if people stayed home.

So I think this means, if not enthusiasm--People wanted to send a message to Trump and his enablers.

BumRushDaShow

(128,441 posts)
13. He has been tweeting clips and his graph that I finally got!
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:21 PM
Nov 2018




TEXT
TheBeat w/Ari Melber

@TheBeatWithAri

Midterm elections were the largest gain for Democrats in 40 years.

"More than any other election, since the Democratic wave against Nixon" - @AriMelber
502
6:56 PM - Nov 8, 2018


Hav

(5,969 posts)
2. Yep
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:06 PM
Nov 2018

Early Wednesday, I thought the Repubs would end up with 55 seats. Despite winning the House, that would have still made it a very mixed result.
Then Montana switched, now Arizona is looking good and who knows, maybe there is some chance for Florida. Having only one net loss is totally different. If that comes true, the Repubs won one seat in the Senate on a map stacked against the Dems and they lost the House. That is after they celebrated their big win.

David__77

(23,329 posts)
3. I think a lot of people were concerned.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:11 PM
Nov 2018

As I looked at that 538 odds model for the house on election night, I was quite anxious. The apparent losses in Florida coupled with loss in Indiana was something I found unsettling until more house wins came in.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
7. Add Michael Moore To That List
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:15 PM
Nov 2018

Nancy was right, he was wrong

I don't see him on nearly every show now

iluvtennis

(19,833 posts)
64. Not sure Cha. I just don't like it when Dems go on TV and speak negatively about other Dems
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:50 AM
Nov 2018

We need to stick together in unity in this current hostile Trumpian environment.

Cha

(296,846 posts)
65. Exactly! We do this together.. No Dissing Dems!
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:53 AM
Nov 2018

his negative on Dems doc didn't do well, either.. YAY!

betsuni

(25,377 posts)
17. Moore now predicts that Democrats can't win against Trump in 2020 if they run a politician.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:42 PM
Nov 2018

Last edited Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:25 PM - Edit history (1)

Has to be a "beloved American" like Michelle Obama or that Scully guy. Because Trump is "so much smarter" than we are, a genius.

I think his crystal ball is broken.

Cha

(296,846 posts)
24. BS "couldn't see a blue wave" either..
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:53 PM
Nov 2018

And, yet the BIG BLUE WAVE is here and he goes right on acting like it's not.

I think you're right.

ETA.. oh Sorry, I was talking about BS.. realized this was about Michael Moore.

Cha

(296,846 posts)
42. lol..
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:44 PM
Nov 2018
I'm so excited tonight like we all are!

I'm now going out to a BLUE WAVE celebratory dinner!

bdamomma

(63,799 posts)
29. I heard him say that
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:00 PM
Nov 2018

too.

Obama was a "beloved American" and a politician and he was voted in twice.

Aren't we in this mess cause people voted on a con man??? and would you go to a baker for surgery??? Makes no sense.

betsuni

(25,377 posts)
39. Doesn't make sense, I agree.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:35 PM
Nov 2018

It's the opposite. People will want someone who knows what they're doing.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
41. Lots of talking heads and politicians trying to catch the big blue bus
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:44 PM
Nov 2018

That has left their time behind.

So many talking points from 3 days ago look stupid now.

Largest Democratic pickup in 40 year even with gerrymandering.

amuse bouche

(3,657 posts)
54. MM was just on Lawrence O's show
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:26 PM
Nov 2018

He is thrilled with the outcome and called it a Blue Wave

He is a fabulous ally. I hate seeing Dems put him down. Same with Bill Maher

hostalover

(447 posts)
70. Finally! A positive post about Michael Moore to which I can respond! I also
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 02:08 PM
Nov 2018

saw him on Laurence's show last night and he was fantastic! Positively giddy about the election results. Definitely a blue wave in his opinion! Thanks for your words!

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
76. I hate it too.
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 11:34 PM
Nov 2018

To me it smacks of authoritarianism (generally the provenance of the Other Side) when we slam somebody who doesn't think Ds are perfect.

Cha

(296,846 posts)
8. Fucking media****** TOOLS!
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:15 PM
Nov 2018

It was a Giant BLUE WAVE that SWEPT across our Country!


Must have had their heads up the ass when all the red seats were FLIPPING to BLUE

 

zonkers

(5,865 posts)
9. Sadly, depsite the hard #'s , the effect of their early false calls will still mute any popular
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:16 PM
Nov 2018

notion a blue wave, even though that is what it is.

malaise

(268,693 posts)
22. Some of us followed 538 and called it for Dems
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:50 PM
Nov 2018

quite early. We saw posts on DU telling us to ignore 538. Turns out they were excellent.

USALiberal

(10,877 posts)
25. Well, not really. At one point Nate had chance Dems win house in the 36% range......
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:53 PM
Nov 2018

It bounced all over early.

He admitted it in a blog post that early returns were impacting his algorithm.

jcgoldie

(11,612 posts)
27. Yeah
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:57 PM
Nov 2018

The 538 liveblog percentages were fucking nerve wracking ... if dish network didn't have some BS dispute with HBO I probably would have flipped to a movie!

 

BluegrassDem

(1,693 posts)
32. JCGoldie, that's so hilarious as I was pissed HBO was off my DISH too for the same reason!!
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:04 PM
Nov 2018

I was getting so down early in the evening and I just wanted to watch a movie and be done with it!

mcar

(42,278 posts)
15. All the doom and gloom early on
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:24 PM
Nov 2018

when everyone knew so many states didn't close until later in the evening. What a joke!

betsuni

(25,377 posts)
40. It got so gloomy I stopped watching coverage when I saw that "Galaxy Quest" was on TV.
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:40 PM
Nov 2018

Cheered me up immediately. There's an automatic negativity switch about everything to do with Democrats, I swear.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
16. When we did not convincingly win Florida and Georgia
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:32 PM
Nov 2018

Two very difficult states for us the narrative began.

By the time we started racking up wins that narrative stuck made worse because so many people went to bed before the West came in.

But the numbers are undeniable.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
36. Carville was on his...
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 10:29 PM
Nov 2018

DLC crap, again "Dems need to run candidates in the Center - all over". NO....Dems need to run Centrist Candidates WHERE NEEDED - like Arizona, West Virginia, Montana, Alabama (Yes, Alabama), Tennessee (Next Time) and South Carolina to take out Tim Scott in 2020.

LiberalFighter

(50,783 posts)
79. What is centrist in one state or district is not the same in another.
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 11:25 PM
Nov 2018

I contend that the centrist keeps shifting left in many districts and states and the country. We need to use that to our advantage.

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
23. Yes...but...
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:52 PM
Nov 2018

I'm still pissed as hell that people will have to call Marsha Blackburn senator. Goodgod, the idiocy.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
52. Where did you see this, workingclasszero ?
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:18 PM
Nov 2018

Is this purchase-able ? If so, where ? I want one. Hell, I'll but it on a t-shirt !

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
66. I did a google search on blue wave 2020. This image of a pin popped up. Pretty sure it's buyable
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 04:26 AM
Nov 2018

Sorry I don’t have a link but try a google search like I did and you should find it.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
51. I didn't expect we would pick up this many seats
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:10 PM
Nov 2018

but I believed we would take the house. I felt the energy, I knew we could do it, I just didn't want to get my hopes up.

BigmanPigman

(51,567 posts)
56. Michael Moore was just on Lawrence O'Donnell and he said
Thu Nov 8, 2018, 11:37 PM
Nov 2018

it IS a huge blue wave and this is bigger than when the Tea Party took over and we need to celebrate IT!

BigmanPigman

(51,567 posts)
72. It is the biggest blue wave since Nixon and he is right...
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 02:47 PM
Nov 2018

We WON and should be happy and relieved. The Sessions/Mueller issue made our joy short lived. The fake Perez is the most hated man in the world at this point. Thank goodness we won...if we hadn't the Mueller investigation would be history. WE WON!

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
59. Carville, who wrote "40 More Years" after President Obama's win
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 12:29 AM
Nov 2018

Mainly the book was based on how the Democratic Party would be in charge for the next 40 years. I saw his interview on MSNBC where he said that Beto needed to be a "winner" if he wanted to run for POTUS.

With all due respect to Mr. Carville, I thank him for his service and commitment to the party. It's time he steps aside and let the new generation take over-which means that I respectfully ask that he, along with any person in the party who's attempting to influence future strategy; step aside.

Beto demonstrated an uncanny ability to drive up numbers in RURAL areas, which is what we're going to need in the future. His "loss" which seeing how corrupt and morally bankrupt the GOP is; well let's say that I'm not sure Beto lost Texas, especially after looking at what's happening in Georgia and Florida.

Beto's "loss" was anything but, and Republicans know it.

As for someone running for POTUS after losing a Senate election, it's been done before.

1858 Abraham Lincoln lost a US Senate Election in Illinois, TWO YEARS LATER he became the 16th President of the United States!

TheRealNorth

(9,470 posts)
60. No shit
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 12:30 AM
Nov 2018

Between 8 and 9 PM CST I was afraid this was 2016 all over again.

But then we started crushing the statewide races here in MN, took House seats MN-02 and MN-03, crushed the State House, taking 17 seats and flipping the State House https://www.minnpost.com/state-government/2018/11/where-the-dfl-made-its-gains-to-take-control-of-the-minnesota-house/

The cherry on the top was Scotty Walker going down. His presidential ambitions are down the tube. His only hope may be to latch on to someone else as a VP candidate.


John Fante

(3,479 posts)
78. Sorry Trumper, it's a blue wave, and it will carry over
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 12:26 AM
Nov 2018

into 2020, just like 2006 carried over into 2008.

Trump will be sent packing.

kimbutgar

(21,055 posts)
69. And you know on the Sunday talk shows they will have only repukes on discussing how the
Fri Nov 9, 2018, 12:38 PM
Nov 2018

Repukes can win again in 2020.

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