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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhen the worst President in US history was in office, a tall, lanky, fun guy lost a Senate election.
He ran because an insanely racist Supreme Court made rulings that tore the country apart.
He lost, relatively narrowly, to Steven Douglas, racist, because he held locally unpopular opinions, but his espousal of these opinions garnered national attention.
Two years later, he was elected President of the United States, replacing the man considered, at least until recently, to be the worst President in US history, James Buchanan.
I am, of course, referring to Abraham Lincoln, Senate loser in 1858, who came to the 1860 convention as everybody's second choice for President, with the exception of some party leaders in his home state, Illinois, where he was the first choice.
The rest is history.
Just saying...
rgbecker
(4,820 posts)LeftInTX
(25,146 posts)Since I'm a precinct chair, it gave me an excuse to bother all of the voters with, "Beto is coming to the library". It was our precinct's "Bye Bye Birdie" moment.
The next week, he went to a tiny park called Garza Park. Garza Park basically consists of a rec center and some monkey bars. It is the kinda place where you just go to the rec center for free lunch or free dance lessons. It is isn't the safest place to hang out. Other than that there is nothing. But Beto went there.
Lisa0825
(14,487 posts)He is a rockstar! He has that *it* that can't be taught. He connects with people and makes them feel like anything is possible.
I would proudly vote for him again for any office.
George II
(67,782 posts)...Abraham Lincoln made in 1860, was at my college, Cooper Union, which was considered the address that essentially won the Republican nomination for him.
NNadir
(33,475 posts)The Cooper Union speech:
The descriptions of that speech are very moving. He gave it several times after Cooper Union in the Northeast; as he was traveling up to visit his son who was attending Harvard.
In my opinion, it vies with a speech he didn't actually read, but was read to congress (as was the practice at the time), a speech that was the equivalent of a modern "State of the Union," his 1862 annual message to Congress.
I steal that beautiful locution "last best hope of earth," all the time, taking it out of context.
It is remarkable that a one term Congressman and backwards lawyer with essentially no formal education could have such a command of language. Among the world's greatest autodidacts, few can compare.
George II
(67,782 posts)....that they are members of "the Party of Lincoln".
And it's a shame that we know very little about how his speeches actually sounded. If only we could go back and record those speeches somehow.
NNadir
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...with a strong Kentucky/southern accent, which he used judiciously to get his opponents in court to under estimate him.
dhol82
(9,352 posts)Dont shoot me.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)He's only a year younger than Ted Cruz. He's 46 now. In 2 years he will be 48.
dhol82
(9,352 posts)Damn! I would vote for him next election!
Go Beto!
How much government experience does he have?
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)On the El Paso City council from 2005-2011 and then was elected to the House in 2012 and served 3 terms
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)I think he should go for it.
Texas changes everything in terms of electoral math. If we flip Texas that is a 76 vote swing and we can afford to lose Florida and Ohio and elsewhere.
The Texas electorate would be markedly different in 2020...much younger and more favorable to Beto. I made that point in a thread last night. No matter how good it looks from an enthusiasm edge in a midterm you don not get the same type of participation from young voters or other blocks that favor our side.
Beto could absolutely win Texas in 2020, if Trump does not soar in popularity between now and then. No other Democrat can be competitive in that state.
My argument is always that charisma is needed to oust an incumbent, and especially one whose party has been in power only one term. I also believe we are much better off with a male than female nominee. I can state flat out that simplistic angry males I know would respect and consider Beto. But they will ruthlessly mock and attack any female nominee, no matter who she is or where she comes from.
Our other candidates are not special. We want to pretend Kamala Harris is special. She is special only in comparison to others on the run of the mill list. Beto is by far my first choice, and Amy Klobuchar would be second.
Keep it simple stupid. If everyone here was mesmerized by Beto then we should nominate Beto. I still think there is asinine denial toward how difficult it is going to be to deny Donald Trump in 2020. Play our best card.
dhol82
(9,352 posts)As much as I like Schiff he just doesnt have the charisma necessary for a run for President. He makes an incredible senator and a major force in congress.
Beto has proven himself as a viable candidate.
We might have a winner.
hedda_foil
(16,371 posts)dhol82
(9,352 posts)NNadir
(33,475 posts)...supporting his nomination, but he is an interesting guy from what I can tell, certainly possessed of charisma.
After losing the Senate in 1858, Lincoln carried Illinois in 1860.
dalton99a
(81,406 posts)The outpouring of support and enthusiasm was phenomenal and unprecedented
treestar
(82,383 posts)crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)By 2020, he will be older than both Obama and (Bill) Clinton when they were elected president.
He's our Gen X star.
Liberal In Texas
(13,533 posts)Put my BETO sign in the garage. It'll be back on the lawn sometime soon. I'm sure.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)NNadir
(33,475 posts)Celerity
(43,134 posts)ProfessorPlum
(11,253 posts)but of course, Obama won. Also from Illinois, of course.
Great post!
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)And he came to the convention with a savvy team of operators.
Mr. Quackers
(443 posts)I can't picture him riding a skateboard.
NNadir
(33,475 posts)...connected with his use of humor. He was full of tall tales and jokes which he used as parables to make a point.
It is said that more books have written about Lincoln than about any other English speaking person in history. In my personal library I may have 20 or 30; I've lost count. One of my favorites is a book I believe I may have picked up in Springfield on his sense of humor, a compilation of his jokes and stories.
Mr. Quackers
(443 posts)he always appeared so somber.
Thanks for the heads up!
NNadir
(33,475 posts)...and suffering.
He was, as one might imagine, an intensely complex man of incredible contrasts.
There is a story of a cabinet meeting at which he showed up and read two chapters of a joke book that particularly impressed him to the cabinet. It was a hard time in the war; and Secretary of War Stanton, who evolved from someone who thought Lincoln a fool into one of his greatest admirers - Stanton had humiliated Lincoln before the war when they served as lawyers on a very involved patent case in which Stanton was the lead attorney - was outraged that they were reading a joke book at a cabinet meeting when men were dying in a horrible war which at the time the Union was losing.
Stanton wrote of that occasion in which he was thinking of storming out of the meeting, and how Lincoln responded to the fact that nobody was laughing at the joke book written by "Artemus Ward."
Gentlemen, why dont you laugh? With the fearful strain that is upon me night and day, if I did not laugh I should die, and you need this medicine as much as I do."
He felt the horror of the war deeply, and the depth is recorded eloquently in the Gettysburg Address and in the Second Inaugural speech.
At one point in the war he remarked, "If there is a place worse than hell, I am in it."
So, as he plainly confessed, he needed humor.
His stories were backwoods humor mostly, learned on the court circuit, and without his voice - it was said he was an incredible mimic - they may not be as funny written down as they were when he delivered them.
Early in the Civil War, the then unknown Civil War General Ulysses S. Grant captured a Confederate army then lead by a man who had been a very close friend before the war, Simon Buckner. When Buckner asked for surrender terms, Grant replied, "No terms other than unconditional surrender can be accepted. I propose to move immediately upon your works." As a result, Grant shot to fame and for a time became known as "Unconditional Surrender Grant."
Later, Grant accepted the surrender of a second Confederate Army, the army occupying Vicksburg but did give the surrendering army terms, which was that it released all the prisoners of war captured on paroles: Grant, whose success was attributed to his knowledge of logistics as much as his resolve, risk taking, intelligence and raw courage, thought he would lose time if he transported the captured men to camps in the North.
Lincoln, Grant's biggest fan in the Government, was confronted by critics who complained about the paroles granted by "Unconditional Surrender Grant."
He said that Grant's situation reminded him of "Skyes' Dog:"
Source: Charles French, Abraham Lincoln, copyright 1891
Lincoln's stories, which sometimes, even often, annoyed men like Stanton, almost always had a point.