Bill Maher is being Debbie Downer tonight

[Trumpocalypse]

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He and the NYT guy are really negative.

Well the NYT guy is a conservative, so that explains why he was try to down the Dem victories.

But why was Maher so down on Warren.

[DURHAM D]

1. I never watch him.

He is a sexist jerk.

[JonLP24]

5. +1

[MurrayDelph]

8. I stopped watching

because I got tired of his "all religions are bad, but Muslim is especially evil" shtick.

A writer-friend of mine who has worked for him, described Maher as "a talented comedian, but a horrible human being.

[AlexSFCA]

10. haha, I watch him because of that: brutal honesty about religions

exposing for it is and he is spot on.

[JonLP24]

13. He lumps all Muslims with the wahabbis

He's not honest but ignorant.

Deedra Abboud is a proud progressive woman. Maher is way off the mark.

[True_Blue]

16. Exactly why I stopped watching him!

I got fed up with hearing him bash Muslims every single show.

[Hortensis]

50. Stopped long before, but despicable on top of distasteful.

Maher's carefully limited display of bigotry, which he obviously has a market for, is a big clue for those who are fooled by his claims of high ideals into imagining that he is high minded. Bigotry comes from within, and this is like spotting a cockroach -- if you see one for sure there are others.

He can occasionally state something well that I agree with, but who can't? Mostly he's a bundle of flaws who's developed a winning commercial schtick, "debbiedownerism" cake under a thin glaze of weak idealism.

To put it mildly, I'm not drawn to his self-fulfilling misanthropy. And, of course, I am frankly too old and experienced to mistake his show's mean and poor spirited drivel for sophisticated wisdom. Even without his indulgence of bigotry. Just wish others did. It's unworthy.

[Cha]

2. Fudge.

[UniteFightBack]

3. What's got him in the dumps? nt

[betsuni]

21. That "half the people don't care."

That considering Trump is the worst president and worst person, the fact that so many people voted for him, and whatever investigations find and put out in front of the American people, half the people don't care. He's afraid of Trump's power. He seemed tired and kept joking about losing it since it's the end of the season, only one more show.

[wellst0nev0ter]

4. He should be estatic, he finally flipped MN-02

although it took him all of four years

[GatoGordo]

49. It took him 12 years to flip MN-01 back to Republican

I don't know where you live in MN-02, but his smarmy hatred of all things non-Bill Maher doesn't play well here.

His humor comes across as bitterness and anger. Reminds me of George Carlin late in his career.

[Wintryjade]

6. Certain Dems just never seem to be able to celebrate a win. Or praise Democratic Leaders

for a job well done.

[Trumpocalypse]

15. He's not a Democrat

He’s an independent.

[TexasBushwhacker]

20. He said he gave "independent" up when Trump got elected

He now considers himself a Democrat.

[bdjhawk]

7. What points are they making?

I don't get that channel.

[Jamaal510]

37. You might be able

to find the episode on YouTube (unless they took all of them down like they typically do). I guess the point he was trying to make was that it is disappointing that so many people still voted Republican on Tuesday despite the past two years, and that for all of the Dems' success and the higher-than-average turnout, this country's turnout was still low compared to other developed countries.

[manor321]

9. I don't watch him anymore

He's not a Democrat (yes I know he donated money to Dems this round). He's one of these pretentious "independents" (or libertarians) who pretends to be above it all.

He will always take shots at Democrats.

[True_Blue]

17. He use to be a Libertarian

Is he an Independent now?

[Jamaal510]

38. Seemed like

he referred to himself as a Democrat on one recent episode, where he said something like "us" or "we" in referencing the party.

[NCDem47]

11. Agree with original poster

He thought the midterm results were “meh.” Thought Democrats should have steamrolled everything in light of Trump. Only once did they bring up D gains in governorships and state legislators. The irony though was that he had Sarah Silverman on who I think told gloomy Democrats on election night or day after to be happy, we won the House!

[bobGandolf]

18. If we're honest.....he is right.

"Democrats should have steamrolled everything in light of Trump." I feel the same way. Taking the House back +30 ish is huge, but the Dems should have won more.

[stopbush]

19. Bull. The Senate was never within reach. Never. Too many Ds up for reelection

and not enough Rs up to make a flip possible.

[bobGandolf]

22. Senate? I never mentioned taking control of Senate.

I was referring to the high profile races in Florida, Georgia, and Texas. They were within reach.

[JHan]

23. and who was running the elections in those states?

And one million people were newly enfranchised in Florida, they aren't going away.

[bobGandolf]

24. Bah, forget it...

Not wasting my time having an argument about the semantics of doing better.

[JHan]

25. this is not semantics, is voter suppression a fact or not?

the point of the blue wave was to see if Democrats could make a dent in the way state legislatures conduct business and most importantly elections - and Dems did, - was it "perfect" .. no.. did we really expect this shit would be easy? Republicans have thoroughly gamed the system and the battle is not over. Debbie Downers don't realise that this was never going to be solved overnight.

[bobGandolf]

31. Totally misunderstanding my post

I'm not some a simpleton regarding politics. My guess, I have been involved in democratic politics since well before you were even born. Why is it so many of "NEW" progressive wing of the party think all who disagree are simplistic gnomes? Did I ever post anything that would lead you to believe I was of said mindset? Stop being so uppity, that's been one of the main reasons for the decline of democratic wins. Too many of you treat the majority of voters as if you were their know-it-all parents. You open the door for democratic candidates time, and time again to ridicule by republicans.

[JHan]

35. Disagreement with someone is not being "uppity". It's an internet forum,

people may disagree with you or agree. Your premise is they "should have won", we all wish they did. I am just pointing out that despite their loss, their high profile losses aren't the only picture here.

Oh and telling me I'm uppity is water off my back, it's nothing new for me. I didn't realise lil ole me and my uppity self-was responsible for Dem losses. Wow , the power I have.

Yes Beto, Gillum and Abrams were within reach. But there were also irregularities in the conduct of those elections. I think despite the odds, the fact Dems came close in red states was stunning - this *is* a case of looking at the glass half full.

1) Beto himself was always a bit of a long shot: His odds were a bit over-hyped. The data I saw had him losing by 2-4 points.

2) In a close race between Gillum and De Santis hard to say which factor produces a loss or win. The *GOOD* news is the enfranchisement of voters which will make a difference in that state, especially in 2020.

3) And Georgia was a hot mess and was always going to be - thousands of people scrubbed off voter rolls.

If these midterms didn't teach democrats the importance of taking over state legislatures, nothing will.

How's that analysis for being uppity?

[bobGandolf]

45. Go reread my post

My "uppity" reference is not appropriate. I reacted poorly to your comments because I get tired of all "you know not what you speak of, only I do" posters.
I DO appreciate you taking the time to give your analysis. I agree with all four points.
My main point was that yes the Dems did well, but they could have done better. Too many, all is well in the Democratic Party again, reports irritated the hell out of me, but more accurately..... I was reacting to how progressives treat the rest of us democratic voters... as if they were the know-it-all parents talking to their children.
You mentioned, "... the importance of taking over state legislatures..." which I believe will be the driving force of winning in future elections. The integrity of elections can only be assured with Democratic state legislatures overseeing the rules, and regulations.

[octoberlib]

36. Calling a Black woman "uppity" isn't a

good way to make your point.

[bobGandolf]

46. I didn't, and you missed my point if that's what you think. n/t

[Laura PourMeADrink]

51. You have hit the nail on the head!!! I have seen

and experienced just that too. I wake every day thinking...why is trump or any of his cronies receiving any support whatsoever. I think part of it lies in utter ignorance of what's going on. You see that when they go out in the street and half the people can't even name the vice president. Maybe it's our now shitty education system? Maybe it's our partys ineptitude with modern media? No unified voice? No political savvy?

[brush]

27. Aren't you forgeting the obvious vote suppression in Georgia?

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The fucking repug candidate purged hundreds of thousands of Dem voters over the last years and held back some 70k votes from AA precincts in this election.

And he refused to step down from his SOS office which supervises elections—a blatant conflict of interest.

You know, the typical repug cheating and dirty tricks. You're aware of this reality, right?

[Hortensis]

29. Forgetting? Sincerely doubt that's it.

People in over 100 nations are watching what's happening here, Georgia in ring #3, in fascinated amazement, and very few will have forgotten.

"Honestly, I think Pelosi saying, "We're going to win the House back."...hurt us on election." Uhuh.

I believe Honest Bob understands and remembers well enough.

[bobGandolf]

47. Oh I know. I agree.

That is why it is imperative for us to win control of the state legislatures.

[stopbush]

28. Er, what high-profile race in Texas? Beto? That was for the Senate. Am I missing something?

Florida? Another high-profile Senate race, along with a governor race.

[bobGandolf]

33. Eh gads, I know....

I just said I never believed they would take the Senate, I did not say none of the high profile dem. Senate candidates would not lose.

[Drunken Irishman]

34. Florida I'll give you. Georgia and Texas?

Georgia hasn't ever elected a black governor - Abrams would've been the first. She also would've been the first female governor and therefore the first female black governor in Georgia history. THAT'S a pretty steep mountain to climb - and she almost did it. Beyond that, she would've been the first Democratic governor Georgia has elected in fifteen years.

Beto would've been the first Democratic senator Texas has had since Bob Krueger in 1993 - and the first to win an election in 30 years (Lloyd Bentsen won his last term in 1988).

C'mon. Those numbers were STACKED against the Democrats. Trump or not.

[redstateblues]

12. I've never thought he was funny. Kind of a jerk sometimes

[BigmanPigman]

14. He also placed a "gentleman's agreement" on a show over a year ago

and bet the Mueller and the investigation would have the fake pres out of office by LAST Dec. Sometimes Bill is full of shit. He was right when he said tRump would win.
Here is the show.

[Behind the Aegis]

26. Great show.

Really liked it.

[Corgigal]

30. He gave a million

to flip the senate. It's gotta to hurt a little. At least, he tried.

However, I always watch the show. Good conversations, even if I don't agree with it all.

[realmirage]

32. One of his worst episodes

Detached from reality anger and a total downer. Paranoid to the max. I fear for his sanity. Dude is getting old.. maybe he’s not all there anymore

[dembotoz]

39. In general agreed with him over 90 %

In truth I saw this post before I saw the show
Having now watched it . I agree with him
U r expecting milk and cookies???

[Trumpocalypse]

41. I was expecting honesty

Maher has been belittling the Democratic party of late. The mid-terms were a big win for the Dems; acknowledging that would show that he was wrong, and like Trump, Maher can't admit that he was wrong.

[dembotoz]

43. Obviously we see things differently

[Trumpocalypse]

44. Yes I'm a Democrat

who is proud of our victory this week.

[obamanut2012]

40. Bill Maher is a misogynist and a Libertarian

Also well as being pretty anti-Muslim, as well as being BFFs with Ann Coulter.

I have never understood why liberals like either him or TYT, since neither are liberals, or even conservative Democrats.

[NurseJackie]

42. You and I think very much alike. I can't stand him either.

Michael Moore, Cornell West, Ann Coulter ... ugh! Sickening.

I have never understood why liberals like either him or TYT, since neither are liberals, or even conservative Democrats.

I don't know.

[betsuni]

48. He isn't a Libertarian.

Last year on his show:

BM: "I guess in 1994 or something, I said something about Libertarianism, and ever since..."

Penn Jillett (Libertarian): "Bill, you're not a real Libertarian."

BM: "You're right, I'm not a real Libertarian. I believe in smoking pot and that's about it."