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Sat Nov 10, 2018, 02:28 PM

Are white people that aren't racist, but not comfortable voting for a minority welcome in the party?

Are these people, perhaps, telling us that we need to nominate a, hypothetically, old white guy? In order to get their support, I mean. Asking for a friend.

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Reply Are white people that aren't racist, but not comfortable voting for a minority welcome in the party? (Original post)
LexVegas Nov 2018 OP
hlthe2b Nov 2018 #1
Loki Liesmith Nov 2018 #2
LincolnRossiter Nov 2018 #3
Hortensis Nov 2018 #20
LincolnRossiter Nov 2018 #22
brush Nov 2018 #27
johnp3907 Nov 2018 #4
bullwinkle428 Nov 2018 #7
groundloop Nov 2018 #5
Squinch Nov 2018 #6
Skidmore Nov 2018 #13
brush Nov 2018 #28
NastyRiffraff Nov 2018 #40
cyclonefence Nov 2018 #8
Bfd Nov 2018 #9
marylandblue Nov 2018 #29
redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #10
GeorgeGist Nov 2018 #11
Crunchy Frog Nov 2018 #12
Voltaire2 Nov 2018 #14
gollygee Nov 2018 #15
harumph Nov 2018 #16
fescuerescue Nov 2018 #17
struggle4progress Nov 2018 #18
LAS14 Nov 2018 #23
marylandblue Nov 2018 #30
struggle4progress Nov 2018 #36
WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2018 #19
Iggo Nov 2018 #21
uponit7771 Nov 2018 #24
aikoaiko Nov 2018 #25
Horse with no Name Nov 2018 #26
Docreed2003 Nov 2018 #31
wasupaloopa Nov 2018 #32
DFW Nov 2018 #33
treestar Nov 2018 #34
ismnotwasm Nov 2018 #35
Fresh_Start Nov 2018 #37
Rizen Nov 2018 #38
dansolo Nov 2018 #39

Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 02:30 PM

1. when a Venn diagram is 100% overlapping, I think there is no one to consider remaining...

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 02:32 PM

2. What does "welcome in the party" even mean?

There are tons of white people in the Democratic Party. Some are not racist at all. A few are a little racist. Even fewer are very racist.

No one is kicking them out. We don’t have a membership committee.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 02:33 PM

3. Uhhhhh. If they'd reject someone as a leader simply because of the color of his or her skin...

They’re racist. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

But if we happen to nominate someone white whom they approve of, I guess I’d take the vote.

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Response to LincolnRossiter (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:28 PM

20. Civic duty is a real-life thing, as real as the children who

still have not been reunited with their parents. Right now, many thousands of family separations are being planned by the Republicans. And right now detention camps that will cumulatively hold hundreds of thousands of people are being built.

Now. The constraints on the white nationalists who control two branches of our federal government of the midterms are past.

Perhaps under these circumstances refusing to vote for the strongest possible candidate to stop it would be immoral? Not everything is black and white, even when everything is somehow involving issues of black and white.

And, btw, imo this whole thread is mean, small, tedious shit-stirring. Is this really the quarrel we need to be having and we the people we need to be having it with?

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #20)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 06:40 PM

22. I'm not disagreeing with anything in your post, but I'm not sure how it's an appropriate response...

to mine.

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Response to LincolnRossiter (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 07:49 PM

27. Yep, "soft" racism is still racism.

They don't use the "N" word but they don't vote for AAs either.

Not my kind of Democrat, stay with the repugs. We'll be all right without them.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 02:33 PM

4. Obi-Wan Kenobi 2020!

“Help us, Old White Guy. You're our only hope."

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Response to johnp3907 (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 02:40 PM

7. Jobi-Wan Kenobiden?

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 02:38 PM

5. Sorry, those hypothetical people ARE racist

IMO that's pretty much the definition of racism - negatively judging someone based on their skin tone.

As far as being 'welcome in the party', I'm not sure exactly what that's supposed to mean. Those folks are free to vote for whomever they want, beyond that I don't know what to say. It's not like we have to get a membership card or anything like that to vote for Democrats.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 02:40 PM

6. Just because some non-Democrat who presides over an all white state says that

some non-racists won't vote for a minority candidate, it doesn't mean it's true.

He's clearly got his head up his ass.

If they won't vote for a minority candidate because the candidate is a member of a minority, that is the definition of racist.

No one with half a brain should be saying anything different.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:12 PM

13. Bingo! nt

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Response to Squinch (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 07:54 PM

28. He kinda told on himself with that stupidity.

Explains maybe the non-showings the southern primaries in 2016.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 11, 2018, 04:11 PM

40. So obvious, but

apparently not all agree. But of course we saw this coming. There have been dog whistles all along. Now comes the police whistle.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 02:50 PM

8. I would think that white people who are "not comfortable" voting for a minority candidate

would find a new party to join. Why on earth would they want to be Democrats?

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Response to cyclonefence (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 03:00 PM

9. Money & Media ? Just a guess

 

Maybe someone will chime in on your valid question.

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Response to cyclonefence (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 08:12 PM

29. Maybe because they agree with Democrats on health care, but not civil rights

No reason a racist can't believe in universal health care.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 03:26 PM

10. If a person is not "comfortable" voting for a minority, they are a racist and have no place

in our party.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 03:58 PM

11. Tell your friend his concerns sound racist.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:09 PM

12. Isn't that pretty much the definition of "racist"?

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:17 PM

14. If you aren't "comfortable" with voting for somebody

because of their race, you are a racist.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:18 PM

15. No such thing

Someone who isn't comfortable voting for a person of color because they are a person of color is by definition racist.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:19 PM

16. a white person that isn't comfortable voting for a person of color (just b/c of their color)

is racist by definition. That said - if a racist wants to vote for a Dem of any color for the "wrong" reasons (as I define them)...
I do not give a shit. I wouldn't socialize with such a person - but if they inadvertently help me - fine.|
The times are so dire, I don't think we have the luxury of ostracizing anyone. People will sink or rise to their
own level.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:21 PM

17. Well I think they can join the party regardless

of what others in the party think.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:21 PM

18. Prisencolinensinainciuso!

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #18)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 06:41 PM

23. What is this? nt

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #23)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 08:14 PM

30. It's a 1970s Italian song written in fake English nt

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #23)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 09:20 PM

36. Meaningless noise that sounds like something if you're not paying attention

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:45 PM

21. No such thing. (n/t)

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 06:46 PM

24. THIS !!!! ..... Is a great example of minimizing what racism is by redefining it

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 07:41 PM

25. Answer to 1st question: Yes. Answer to 2nd question: No


You're welcome. And you're friends is welcome.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 07:42 PM

26. When you see non-whites as "others"

You are a racist.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 08:19 PM

31. I see what you did there

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 08:24 PM

32. We do not say who is in the party and we vote in primaries for our

 

favorite candidate. The one with the most votes is our nominee.

So your questions are moot

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 08:26 PM

33. Tell your friend this:

A. If he has a legitimate reason for not being comfortable voting for a candidate from a minority, he should enlighten us all with what that reason is. I would think his being welcome or not hinges on the coherency of such a reason.

B. If his reason for not being comfortable voting for a candidate from a minority is ridiculous, then he is probably better off keeping his mouth shut, as Democrats don't believe that there is any reason that is legitimate. The Republicans seem like their better alternative. What do we have to offer them?

C. This friend is only "uncomfortable," according to the OP, not emphatically opposed, to voting for a minority. Ergo, logically, they can handle a mild degree of discomfort. If the nominee is a from minority, then a majority of those who voted in the primary voted for that nominee. If THAT makes them uncomfortable, then they should move to Wyoming, or some such state where the likelihood of such an "uncomfortable" Democratic candidate is remote.

I don't think "these people" have any business telling the rest of us whom we "need to nominate." The majority nominates whoever it wants to nominate. If this friend is white and thinks they are a better candidate, they should by all means file to run.

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 08:27 PM

34. I think not

There were racists who voted for Obama. I recall a story where someone knocking on doors met a woman who said “ we are voting for the (N word).

To be uncomfortable voting for a minority is the definition of racist. Why be uncomfortable? If they are the best candidate?

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2018, 08:30 PM

35. That's not how anything works actually

“I’m not a racist but” is not a Democratic Party value

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2018, 01:43 PM

37. It doesn't matter if they are comfortable...it matters what their actions are

if they are uncomfortable but still vote for the minority candidate, then they should be welcome.
if they are uncomfortable but refuse to vote for the minority candidate, did they vote against the democratic candidate ?

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2018, 01:50 PM

38. We can't actually turn down voters

because they can vote for who ever they want. So we can't choose who's in the party or not :/

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Response to LexVegas (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2018, 03:26 PM

39. I don't think people get the point you are making

Bernie is insinuating that the Democrats shouldn't nominate a POC for president in 2020.

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