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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCalifornia voters have just about wiped out the republican party
https://www.vox.com/a/midterms-2018/california-election-resultsBy my count - GOP holds 10 of 53 house seats. that includes giving the GOP 2 that are too close to call.
Dems have both senate seats, the governorship and all statewide offices.
In It to Win It
(8,236 posts)especially in Florida.
Demovictory9
(32,448 posts)so important to them
In It to Win It
(8,236 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Young Cubans are turning more toward the democrats, unlike their parents and grandparents, the problem is their parents and grandparents are more likely to vote. Significant numbers of young minority group members in Florida don't bother to vote at all. Things ARE changing, as the poster said. If you had told me five years ago that a Black man could win the governorship of Florida, I would have told you that you were stoned out of your skull, I just did not see enough Whites voting for him, but millions did.
In It to Win It
(8,236 posts)younger Cuban voters are leaning more democratic than their parents. I never bothered looking into voter demographics until this year.
Additionally, as the other poster mentioned, we get constant influxes of retirees that tend to vote republican.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Here's the demographic that is a problem. White men voted for Desantis at 60+%. White women were like 53% or so. Those numbers in the short term are unlikely to change. White men and women will continue to retire to here, and they all vote. Yes, their portion of the population may fall somewhat, but they will be a formidable population for years to come. We may not become the bright blue state that California is, or what Texas appears to be becoming (Native Texans voted for Beto, white imports from other states voted for Cruz).
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)In the last seven presidential elections, republicans cleanly won only two, democrats won three or four. Elections here in Florida comes down to turnout, the group that reliably get their voters to the polls tend to vote republican. As demographics continue to shift in our direction, we will start to see more democrats winning statewide races in Florida, but Gillum, Nelson and certainly Fried (she is ahead) may start that this year.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)I just don't expect anything like what California has achieved, and what Texas is becoming.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Having high tech booming helped California move to blue, and as Texas get more of that type of industry outside of Texas Instruments, the cities and surburbs there are turning bluer and bluer.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)That's the core of the economy, and isn't gonna change much because the industries that we need to attract don't like bad schools, bad transportation, and lousy infrastructure.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)The state is becoming more city and urban, but the growth is being driven by retirees instead of new industry.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Demographics in Florida a a weird problem. We have a constant and huge influx of retirees who relocate from around the country. They only last for 10 -15 years on average and are constantly refreshed. But they are fixed income folks that came to avoid income taxes and the low cost of living. They don't care about minimum wage or the education system, and quite honestly don't care much about public transportation or the arts/culture. That, along with a lingering Cuban community tends to favor the GOP.
Texas will turn blue much faster and much deeper than Florida. That may always be true. As much as it doesn't look like it, much of Florida is, and will be, the "south".
SWBTATTReg
(22,112 posts)about anything if you want my opinion (the retirees). One thing the retirees (and I'm one, but in MO) in FL don't realize, is that if you want services, you got to pay for them (museums, good libraries, etc.).
It's frustrating when I see the services offered in FL as opposed to those, lets say in MO. There is a world of difference, and my opinion is that I'd rather have the services in MO vs. FL (and still live in MO). I've been to just about all parts of FL (the panhandle, not so much), and did enjoy it at one time, almost 40 years ago. I used to load up the car, and go driving all along the FL coast and find these little inlets and little coves, and just fish (not really fishing but just plainly enjoying the views). It was nice then.
Sure it's warm in FL, but I'd just as soon raise the temp. up in my home vs. traveling all of the way to FL each year (or living there) and fighting traffic (it's a mess in FL). Like some of my other soon to be retired friends, they can't believe how much housing costs down there now (FL), and how far they have to live from the beach/ocean front. Other friends of mine that already live in FL say that before you know it, you'll forget that oceanfront view that you paid way too much for, once you've lived down there for a bit. Sure you'll not have an income tax, but they'll get you in other ways. And if you want to really know how I feel, if you got to worry about the income taxes in FL or some small taxes levied against a person(s), in deciding where to live, then you have more problems then you think, and are not ready for retirement. All it takes is years of constantly increasing inflation and these issues become moot analyzing to the exact dollar your expenditures.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)For example, electricity is cheaper in Florida, but once other fees are added in for city and Surburban people, electric bills are higher than in states that have higher electric rates. Rural people in Florida largely don't face the fees, that is likely why they vote like idiots - the city and Surburban people pay the bills for rural folks here in Florida.
You made a good point about housing, but even commercial real estate rates here are rising fast, not good for a state that really need more technology startups taking place across the state.
The majority of people in Florida live hand to mouth, although there are wealthier people in cities and surburbs. The dichotomy between well off and poor is dramatic here, with most Floridians being poor. It is nothing here to see an $90,000 car beside $1,000 cars in traffic, or see people driving around with duct taped windows or even bumpers duct taped in place. Yet, people that are poor run to elect the people that keep screwing them.
The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)The cost of living was way more than what I was used to. They might not have this or that tax, but you still paid more for services through fees. For instance fire service is part of my personal income tax in MO, down there I paid for it on my utility bill, and way more than I paid here for that service. Also I lived in a dump in Florida, paying the same rent I did in MO for a nice duplex in a desirable neighborhood. Your have to drag me kicking and screaming to move to FL again.
JI7
(89,247 posts)at least in terms of majority of the state being a minority .
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)In California, the white population is voting heavily democratic. Not quite as much in Florida. Furthermore, the white voting population in Florida is much older than that in California. But it will get better over time.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)vlyons
(10,252 posts)People from all over the world live in Calif. It's not just a lot of Hispanics. There's also people from all over Asia and the middle east. Many Muslim and Sikh communities. How well do you think the GOP anti-immigrant and racist bullshit appeals to them. Moreover there are many, many multi-racial people.
Liberty Belle
(9,534 posts)here in San Diego, formerly a bastion for Republicans, the city council now has a veto-proof 2/3 Dem majority (though the Mayor is still a Republican, albeit a moderate one.
LonePirate
(13,417 posts)Liberty Belle
(9,534 posts)much to the consternation of the Legislature that was Dem-controlled throughout his last term.
winstars
(4,220 posts)lame54
(35,284 posts)D_Master81
(1,822 posts)Not all of California is blue, or even purple. Guessing he is in 1 of those red islands.
lame54
(35,284 posts)winstars
(4,220 posts)Same thing in NY. Drive an hour or two out of NYC, upstate or into NJ, same fucking thing, rednecks; clinging to their Bibles and guns... True words!!!
SCantiGOP
(13,869 posts)Reverse that and you have South Carolina.
Although we did double our Congressional Reps to 2, so now we are behind 5-2, but we only have 1/3 of our Statehouse and no statewide wins.
If anyone has any ideas on how to beat goddamn Lindsey Graham in two years please let us know.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Do a relatively large percentage of those persons of color vote Republican? How many persons of color are simply kept from voting through suppression tactics?
Do a relatively small percentage of white South Carolinians vote Democratic?
Just how badly are the districts gerrymandered?
*Note: When I say "relatively," I mean relative to the US as a whole.
SCantiGOP
(13,869 posts)That about 30% of the actual vote is minority, but Jim Clyburns District is about 65% black. Other than the district around Charleston that we flipped, no other Dem came within 10% of winning.
Best estimates are that whites vote about 70% Republican. Other than Sec of Education, Dems havent won a statewide seat since 1998.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)The only Repuke barely clinging to his seat is Poilquin in Maine.
Other wise a complete wipeout. NY is deeper blue now 2.
The Repukes are becoming a rural racist party.
Demovictory9
(32,448 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,646 posts)I think they have about a 50/50 split, which is about what the electorate is IIRC.
SCantiGOP
(13,869 posts)Won in NH, Vermont and Mass. But all are moderates, no resemblance to National repubs.
Patiod
(11,816 posts)Philadelphia and Pittsburgh with Alabama in between. Rural areas still insanely blue and KKK hotbeds.
Dems are showing new strenghth and cutting wide swaths through the suburbs that used to be Republican strongholds.
When I started as a Dem Committeeperson, we lost most races and couldn't cover the polls.
Now, we're outregistering Rs and out-manning them at the polls. This month it was 3:1 D:R voting in the gubernatorial race, with a Trumpy running against a blah but incumbent Dem governor. It's been sweet to be in on the transformation!
This is being repeated throughout the Philly suburbs. It's a slow but inexorable process.
kennetha
(3,666 posts)become and independent, caucus with the Dems., especially if we manage to pull of Florida and Mississippi. Then we talk Murkowski and Collins into jumping ship to independent, caucusing with us.
Wouldn't that make Trump happy?
Collins wants to run for governor of Maine, they say. I doubt she has much of a chance as a Republican. She'd improve her chances by declaring herself independent of the Republican party of Trump.
And Murkowski is practically an independent anyway. I mean she won as a write in candidate in 2010 and though she ran as a Republican in 2016 she didn't endorse Trump and faced off against a Republican turned Libertarian who did endorse Trump. And she won. What really is in it for her to remain a Republican in a party dominated by Trump?
ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)For insuring that there will never be an R ever elected to statewide office in CA. Or most any other office, soon. Even in the Denham district, if Harder doesn't win, spells doom for Rs because that is a gerrymandered district that votes R forever.
ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)Over Jeff Denham (R) in a predominantly R district. This will blow my mind if this holds.
stopwastingmymoney
(2,041 posts)For waking CA up to the cruelty of the Rs.
shanti
(21,675 posts)was (except for the blip that was Gray Davis) under a Republic(an) governor. Got out just as Brown was elected in 2010. Arnold stole about $15,000 of my pension during the furloughs, and I will always hate him for it. There was a lot of hinky shit going on with the elections when Arnold was installed. Glad it's been sorted out!
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)here in Nevada we are looking more and more like California East. Think about it,two wonderful Lady Senators,two out of four Lady Congress persons,btw,now 3 out of 4 Congress persons are Dems. First Dem Governor in twenty years. AG is a Dem,that means Gun Control is about to pop . SOS is a Dem,and with new rules for Voter Registration coming,it will be so easy to register.
And with Arizona and New Mexico turning Blue,as well as Colorado,think about it. We are now looking more like New England as far as Liberal Societies as a whole. Damn it feels great.
Demovictory9
(32,448 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)we deserve to get out asses kicked to the curb.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)It's a R outfit in CA that supposedly works to turn CA red.
You have to wonder: why are there bottomless pits of money to fund these RW organizations? They have no chance of ever accomplishing their goal. All they do is provide some talentless R with a six-figure job.
Check it out: https://newmajority.com/
ffr
(22,669 posts)Let's keep working for that.
Cha
(297,145 posts)My daughter was born there.. my kids mostly grew up there.
sandensea
(21,624 posts)Homeowners of any race have painful memories of the crisis in the early '90s and the outright collapse in '08.
They also remember how the economy and markets (to say nothing of their home values) recovered under the Democratic administrations that followed.
Results trump wedge issues among most California voters. No pun intended.
RockRaven
(14,958 posts)Because of the jungle primary, there are no 3rd candidates in any of these statewide races. 5 of them were Dem vs Repub, 2 were Dem vs Dem and one Dem vs NoPartyPref. Those latter 3 are closer, but in the other 5, all of the Repubs are below 40%.
So long as the national GOP remains Trumpist, the GOP has no chance of even sniffing a statewide office, no matter how much the candidates try to distance themselves from Trumpy elements.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)a overwhelming majority and pass real legislation beginning with the unfair burden of blue states supporting redstates on every level....
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)Generally they'd rather most of the low info folks stayed in Red states and the programs help people across the country anyway. Where the rub comes is from the Red politicians passing laws that hurt folks then blame it on the Blue staters as a drain on the Gov't/economy/moral fiber of the country.
Blue staters can see beyond their own yard, Red staters can't see beyond their checkbook.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)LOW.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Half the nation is conservative. In a well functioning democracy, their views will have representation. We can't achieve the critical stability nations must have without it.
Of course, the Republican Party brought itself to this by allowing takeover by very, very bad leaders who encourage extremism in all approved views. But it's unstable and self destructive and (please!) appears to finally be nearing the end of this period, which began with a bunch of scheming right wing millionaires and archconservative zealots over 50 years ago now.
hunter
(38,310 posts)Our Governor Jerry Brown is one, President Obama is one, Hillary Clinton is one, all competently doing their job in a conservative fashion, respecting the traditions of their offices.
In the hands of Republicans, "conservative" has come to mean racist, misogynistic, science-denying, wackadoodle, minority rule and kleptocracy. From the modern Republican perspective anyone with an ounce of common sense and decency is "liberal."
The Republicans have become the party of grifters and the grifted. There's nothing conservative about it.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)There's no excuse for pushing pernicious nonsense that these people are conservative, either by personality or by their extremely well documented political records. Frankly, I'd think better of this post if I knew it were a frank lie instead of deluded belief. There's no excuse for either, though.
And, btw, the definition I use of liberal and conservative -- to protect from people who manipulate labels for dishonest purposes -- is defined by personality. We're all basically one or the other in almost infinite combination, but there are real differences between the two basic personality orientations that mostly explain our political choices.
This simple graph comparing presidents over the 80 years is from 538. Please note the relative consistency of Democrats, and that the variations, both in presidents and their records, tend to reflect ideological and other situational realities during the times they served.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRQl94FFybHim9I61vLGxb7RSKN3MZOjIMAqobeYausGoNgFEpVMQ
I think it's much better to have ideas from different viewpoints then just one side in the long run.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)who've retained independence of thought and decency, these days, didn't appreciate them half as much as I should before. If only we could water them to encourage them to grow and spread.
yardwork
(61,588 posts)When people are allowed to vote, many eventually wake up to the con game.