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kpete

(71,984 posts)
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 08:42 AM Nov 2018

Whoa. Federal judge just brought Kemp's victory lap to a screeching halt.

No certifications until Friday—was supposed to be tomorrow—& every clerk must set up a system for voters to find out the status of their provisional ballots.















More:







Judge orders review of provisional ballots in Georgia election


A federal judge on Monday ordered election officials to review thousands of provisional ballots that haven’t been counted in Georgia’s close election for governor.
U.S. District Judge Amy Totenberg’s order calls for a hotline for voters to check if their provisional ballots were counted, a review of voter registrations, and updated reports from the state government about why many voters were required to use provisional ballots.

The court decision comes as votes are still being counted in the race for governor between Democrat Stacey Abrams and Republican Brian Kemp. Abrams trails Kemp and would need to gain more than 20,000 additional votes to force a runoff election.

Totenberg said she’s providing “limited, modest” relief to help protect voters. The order preserves Tuesday’s deadline for county election offices to certify results and the Nov. 20 deadline for Secretary of State Robyn Crittenden to certify the election. The ruling enjoins Crittenden from certifying the election before Friday at 5 p.m.

ttps://politics.myajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/judge-orders-review-provisional-ballots-georgia-election/ZM2yd0QGkyZ8Zi1IyVpF3H/




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Whoa. Federal judge just brought Kemp's victory lap to a screeching halt. (Original Post) kpete Nov 2018 OP
thanks for sharing. Great news! Nitram Nov 2018 #1
I will never understand DownriverDem Nov 2018 #2
The cheating party runs the state. In It to Win It Nov 2018 #4
Conflict of interests NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #7
That's because there have been no consequences for this stuff. calimary Nov 2018 #14
Frankly, it strikes me as ridiculous that any sitting Secretary of State with Chief Election Officer KPN Nov 2018 #11
K&R... spanone Nov 2018 #3
Possible criminals allowed to be involved duforsure Nov 2018 #5
This ruling gives the Dems until Friday Nov. 16th to find more votes for Stacey FakeNoose Nov 2018 #6
Dang! Florida Republicans are now enjoined to perform in good faith . . . MrModerate Nov 2018 #8
K&R MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #9
I see that 'someone' noted on her wiki page, a 2008 donation to Pres Obama irisblue Nov 2018 #10
Hope Kemp's election mischief is exposed triron Nov 2018 #12
K&R 2naSalit Nov 2018 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author karin_sj Nov 2018 #15
It's so frigging blatant and shameless! karin_sj Nov 2018 #16
It's the Jeb Bush*/Katherine Harris* model. Raster Nov 2018 #17
...thousands of provisional ballots... littlemissmartypants Nov 2018 #18
So Kemp resigned because he thought he'd won. Does that mean he is no longer running this election, Amaryllis Nov 2018 #19
There's runoff for GA SoS on Dec 4. CottonBear Nov 2018 #20
That doesnt answer the question if he is running elections now since he resigned, or was his Amaryllis Nov 2018 #21
He is no longer SoS. There is an acting SoS now. CottonBear Nov 2018 #23
That's what i was wondering and that is good news! Do you know anything about his next in line Amaryllis Nov 2018 #24
No, but I personally know Democratic candidate John Barrow . CottonBear Nov 2018 #27
Here ya go - Gov. Deal appointed Robyn Crittenden, who was diva77 Nov 2018 #26
Kick dalton99a Nov 2018 #22
KR! Cha Nov 2018 #25
What Provisionals will actually be counted? forthemiddle Nov 2018 #28

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
2. I will never understand
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 09:50 AM
Nov 2018

Why wasn't kemp made to step aside so as to not be a conflict of interest? Same thing with scott. They should not be in charge of any counting of votes.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
7. Conflict of interests
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 10:29 AM
Nov 2018

are normally unwritten rules that people are expected to follow or else be shamed/pressured into following. Unfortunately, the new breed of Trump Republican has no shame, or has it in only microscopic quantities.

calimary

(81,212 posts)
14. That's because there have been no consequences for this stuff.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 11:40 AM
Nov 2018

They’ve learned that they can cheat like this and THEY WON’T GET CAUGHT. It’s the getting caught - and having to pay a penalty for it - that matters. One of many good things about Watergate was that EVERYBODY involved had to face the music. From the lower tiers and peripheral figures to the big names - all the big names. All the way up to the president himself. Many had to serve actual time in prison.

There should be consequences for bad behavior. Because bad behavior is antisocial and has multiple negative impacts on the commons - the community, the climate, the institutions, the law, the social conventions, the collective - that knits is together as a cohesive society that serves everyone in it. Where everybody follows the rules for the most part, and minds their manners and obeys the law and gets along. Everybody drives in the same directions on the road. Everybody shares a general agreement in various kinds of acceptable behavior. And limitations on same. That sort of thing.

And when you have utterly reckless lawlessness, where Machiavelli is really who’s President, and you don’t have to face any consequences when you do something wrong, what’s to deter you from doing it again? If you know nobody will hold you accountable, why follow the rules? It’s “Rules? WHAT rules?” If you know there won’t be consequences for bad behavior, where’s the motivation to change that bad behavior?

I think that knowing something is wrong, or sinful, or illegal, can be a deterrent. Not for everybody, certainly. Absolutely! There are those who believe they’re above such things. Rules don’t apply. And they can do anything they damn well feel like doing and get away with it.

And unfortunately they’re either in the White House or aggressively covering for the ones in the White House.

KPN

(15,642 posts)
11. Frankly, it strikes me as ridiculous that any sitting Secretary of State with Chief Election Officer
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 11:09 AM
Nov 2018

responsibility should be able to run for any other statewide office while in that position. There are just too many obvious conflicts of interest and the Chief Election Officer cannot simply recuse him/herself and still perform his/her job. At a minimum, they should be required to take a full leave of absence while a candidate for and fund raising for another statewide elected position.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
5. Possible criminals allowed to be involved
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 10:03 AM
Nov 2018

In Georgia and Florida election will be exposed soon , and why both scott and kemp and trump are desperate to keep it covered up? Would not surprise me at all. Especially if they find out putin was behind it for them.

FakeNoose

(32,630 posts)
6. This ruling gives the Dems until Friday Nov. 16th to find more votes for Stacey
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 10:17 AM
Nov 2018

The fact that Kemp's candidacy should have been DISQUALIFIED (since he didn't resign as SoS, and he took part in the vote suppression during his campaign) is not addressed in this ruling. I believe the Georgia Dems can file another lawsuit for that alone.

But they're putting out the first fire by getting more time to count the votes.

Go Georgia Democrats! Fight for this and for Stacey Abrams!





 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
8. Dang! Florida Republicans are now enjoined to perform in good faith . . .
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 10:55 AM
Nov 2018

Anyone here think they're able?

Response to 2naSalit (Reply #13)

karin_sj

(808 posts)
16. It's so frigging blatant and shameless!
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 12:13 PM
Nov 2018

Isn't it interesting that the two states with the most shady goings on (voter suppression, not counting all the votes, misleading ballots, etc., etc.) are states where there was a Republican secretary of state and governor who were actively involved in efforts to discard/not count votes of the opposing party before and after the election. These efforts directly benefited their chances of winning their own elections. AND these two people directly benefitted from disenfranchising as many Democratic voters as possible WHILE they were in offices that directly affected the election process.

And now they're being really aggressive (with the direct assistance of the cheater-in-chief) about keeping their lead and not counting all the votes.

littlemissmartypants

(22,631 posts)
18. ...thousands of provisional ballots...
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 04:31 PM
Nov 2018

Has a nice ring to it. Fingers crossed for Stacey Abrams.
High praise for the judge. Thanks for the post, kpete.

♡ lmsp

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
19. So Kemp resigned because he thought he'd won. Does that mean he is no longer running this election,
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 09:35 PM
Nov 2018

I assume? That the next in line for SOS is now running it?

CottonBear

(21,596 posts)
20. There's runoff for GA SoS on Dec 4.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 09:42 PM
Nov 2018

Kemp will be out of office if he loses the gubernatorial race. He couldn’t run for two offices at once.

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
21. That doesnt answer the question if he is running elections now since he resigned, or was his
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 09:43 PM
Nov 2018

resignation effetive as of the end of his current term?

CottonBear

(21,596 posts)
23. He is no longer SoS. There is an acting SoS now.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 09:59 PM
Nov 2018

Kemp is now only a candidate. He no longer is an elected official.

Kemp had many, many years to do the dirty work of stealing elections and disenfranchising voters.

However. he may just lose!

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
24. That's what i was wondering and that is good news! Do you know anything about his next in line
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 10:16 PM
Nov 2018

now running the election and if they have more integrity?

CottonBear

(21,596 posts)
27. No, but I personally know Democratic candidate John Barrow .
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:36 AM
Nov 2018

He was one of my county commissioners before being elected to Congress. He was redistricted and then he eventually lost reelection to a Republican. The GA GOP hated him.

diva77

(7,639 posts)
26. Here ya go - Gov. Deal appointed Robyn Crittenden, who was
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:55 AM
Nov 2018

commissioner of the Georgia Department of Human Services, to replace Kemp.

https://www.law.com/dailyreportonline/2018/11/08/deal-appoints-lawyer-as-secretary-of-state-to-replace-kemp/?slreturn=20181014014920

Updated: Deal Appoints Lawyer as Secretary of State to Replace Kemp

Gov. Nathan Deal has appointed Robyn Crittenden, commissioner of the Georgia Department of Human Services, to replace Kemp, who resigned Thursday morning after declaring victory in the hotly contested gubernatorial election.

By Meredith Hobbs | November 08, 2018 at 12:17 PM
SNIP
She was sworn in as secretary of state Thursday afternoon and will serve the remainder of Kemp’s term. “Robyn has been one of the most effective leaders within my administration and she is well-qualified to fill one of the most important jobs in state government,” Deal said in a statement.
SNIP
Deal appointed Crittenden as DHS’s leader in July 2015, according to her DHS bio. Previously, she served as chief operating officer of the Georgia Student Finance Commission. She also has served as the general counsel for Morehouse College and for the Georgia Student Finance Commission and as assistant vice chancellor of legal affairs for contracts for the University System of Georgia’s Board of Regents.

She co-chairs the Older Adults Cabinet with Georgia first lady Sandra Deal, aimed at improving the well-being of older Georgians.

Crittenden started her legal career at Atlanta firm Powell Goldstein, now part of Bryan Cave, after earning a law degree from the University of Michigan.
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Gov. Deal is repub; I can't find Crittenden's party affiliation -- I'm guessing repug.

forthemiddle

(1,379 posts)
28. What Provisionals will actually be counted?
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 09:25 AM
Nov 2018

Does this order actually say that any Provisionals must be counted, or just give more time for voters to correct, correctable mistakes?

For instance, if a patient voted as a Provisional because they were in the wrong district, unless they can prove they were in the right district that vote still wont count.

Or if a voter was not registered, they can't correct that can they?

In the end, how many of these Provisional votes will change?

I foresee that the amount of votes out of the Provisionals will be very small, regardless of how long the voter has the chance to correct. For instance if someone left there DOB off the envelope, that's correctable, but if someone wasn't in the right precinct, nothing can change that, right?

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