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Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:26 PM

Do Democrats want Nancy Pelosi as speaker again? Poll finds more prefer 'someone else.'

As Rep. Pelosi (D-Calif.) spends the week back on Capitol Hill trying to persuade her colleagues to give her another run at House speaker, fewer than one-quarter of self-identified Democrats — 23 percent — say their party’s lawmakers should pick her, while a larger 36 percent say they should choose “someone else” and a 41 percent plurality have no opinion, according to a new poll released Wednesday by Monmouth University.

Support for the current House minority leader becoming speaker dips further to 17 percent among the public overall, factoring in Republicans and independents.

It’s not surprising that Republicans would have an unfavorable opinion of the longtime Democratic leader. For many years they’ve vilified her as the personification of a liberal agenda. But Pelosi doesn’t garner rave ratings from Democrats either.

Just under 3 in 10 Democrats approve of Pelosi’s job performance as the party’s minority leader in the House, 29 percent, higher than the 16 percent who disapprove but dwarfed by a 55 percent majority who say they have no opinion of her efforts. Republicans are more decisive in their feelings about her, with 72 percent disapproving, 5 percent approving and 23 percent with no opinion.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/11/14/more-democrats-prefer-someone-else-than-nancy-pelosi-become-house-speaker-new-poll-indicates/?utm_term=.00543441111c

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Reply Do Democrats want Nancy Pelosi as speaker again? Poll finds more prefer 'someone else.' (Original post)
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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:27 PM

1. Do Democrats want Nancy Pelosi as speaker again? YES !

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:55 PM

23. I don't

She is so easily vilified by the right.

Why can't we learn some optics?

Plus we could use some freshness in our party.

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Response to metroins (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:03 PM

24. Can you name a single Democratic leader

who wouldn't be vilified by the right?

Please, give us names of Democrats who you think would be left alone by the right wing hate machine.

Keep in mind that Al Gore, John Kerry, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Barack and Michelle Obama, Elizabeth Warren, Al Franken... ALL of them were attacked as soon as they were recognized as effective leaders. Right wing vilification of Democrats goes all the way back to JFK attacked for "treason." Further back--FDR was accused of having syphilis. Further back than that--Al Smith was attacked as a pawn of the Pope.

The instant we start picking our leaders dependent on what right wingers say, is the instant we lose any chance of winning anything worth winning.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #24)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:11 PM

56. +1

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #24)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:15 PM

62. I agree that whoever the speaker was he/she would be vilified by the right

it comes with the territory.

But I doubt anyone would even come close to the hatred the gopers have for her. No one. She would definitely bring out the dumb faux/gop voters in 2020.

Another option would be to let her be the speaker for the first year, get shit done while mentoring someone and introducing her replacement later in the year.

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Response to awesomerwb1 (Reply #62)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:11 AM

95. Republicans all across the country ran against Pelosi this past midterm

and we cleaned their clocks.

Keep in mind that Pelosi was one of the most effective Speakers we've ever had. All sorts of great progressive legislation was passed by the House, only to get clogged in the Senate. She was in this regard far more effective than Harry Reid when it came to getting results.

As for "coming close to the hatred gopers have" for Pelosi, I think you underestimate the power of the RWNJ media and the gullibility of your average KGoper.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #95)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 10:28 AM

115. We can agree to disagree

Pelosi is the devil (or worse) to those idiots. No way a different speaker could generate the same amount she does.....well, maybe Maxine Waters.

We need Pelosi's experience right now but I do support a transition to someone younger eventually.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #24)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:28 PM

66. I think Pelosi has more "baggage"

The same thing Clinton had....years of attacks against her.

Every homebody republican knows pelosi's name.

A new person benefits from no name recognition.

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Response to metroins (Reply #66)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 05:21 PM

89. Until Pelosi became Speaker, I doubt she was widely known outside her district. We don't let......

Republicans pick our candidates, and we shouldn't let them pick our leadership.

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Response to metroins (Reply #66)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:16 AM

96. That didn't seem to do them any good

this past midterm.

Republicans all across the country ran against Pelosi, and they got wiped, including in many red or leaning red districts.

Just like Hillary won the popular vote by three million votes.

The fact that Republicans hate Pelosi is a plus in my book and makes me support her all the more.

Reminds me of another Democrat vilified by the GOP. Franklin "I welcome their hatred" Roosevelt. The GOP vilified him through three and a half terms in office. Maybe the party should have ditched him in 1936?

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Response to metroins (Reply #66)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 01:46 AM

106. So what. Pelosi's not running for national office. Stop with arguments repugs have made.

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Response to metroins (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:04 PM

53. Who do you name as someone who would do a better job?

Because "not her" and "not fresh" are not people.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #53)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:17 PM

63. Whoever steps up against her....

I'm not going to name people who haven't stepped.

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Response to metroins (Reply #63)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:35 PM

73. So anyone is better in your mind than Pelosi? Anyone who might "step up against her"?

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Response to Squinch (Reply #73)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 05:03 PM

80. Well, yeah.

Like that Kevin McCarthy fellow. He doesn't rile up the right like Pelosi does, so obviously he's the one!

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Response to namahage (Reply #80)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 05:05 PM

81. Your criteria is our Speaker needs to be liked by the right?

Tell me you are being sarcastic. Please.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #81)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 05:06 PM

82. Not MY criteria. Maybe I should have used one of those "smilies"...

oh, here it is:

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Response to namahage (Reply #82)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 05:07 PM

84. And I had concentrated on your "doesn't rile the right" and kind of slid past

the name.

I get the joke now.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #73)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 05:18 PM

88. We will have to see who steps.

Right now, I'm not a fan of Pelosi remaining speaker.

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Response to metroins (Reply #88)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 06:14 PM

91. Why not? And it would be nice if someone who opposes Pelosi could give a

less asinine reason than "we need new blood" or "the republicans hate her."

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Response to metroins (Reply #88)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 01:49 AM

107. I'm sure the Dems in the House are taking note that you're not in favor.

Pelosi will be speaker again and she'll be effective again as speaker.

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Response to metroins (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:11 PM

55. you must be very young

if you want to out Nancy. I am 77 years old. I lived through her fight to get ObamaCare passed. There is not a "new" Democrat that can take her place as far as controlling the caucus, getting bills passed, raising money to help Democrats win office including many of these "new" Democrats. She is a strong effective Speaker and it pisses me off when people have no idea what Nancy has done for our party and will continue to do.

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #55)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:17 PM

64. Oh jesus...

Not even worth responding to you.

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #55)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:32 AM

99. I agree with you.

I am 50 and she has been one of the best Speakers of my voting lifetime.

The republicans will always demonize the Democratic Speaker, no matter who it is. The opposing party should have no say in our leadership.

For our own sake, I hope we stop this intra-party circular firing squad. This is not amateur hour. It is a dangerous time for our nation, and we need a seasoned Speaker who knows how to take the fight to our opponents.

It is Nancy for me.

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Response to metroins (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:12 PM

58. I agree...

There has been big changes in Congress and I think leader should be someone newer. I saw her on so many Republican commercials this year it was ridiculous here in Florida! Think ahead not in the past!

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Response to BlueJac (Reply #58)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:31 PM

69. Because they know she can kick their asses when she holds the gavel.

Don't forget, she helped us get the ACA and a pile of other things that wouldn't have been passed into law if it were not for her skills.

As an MPA who pays attention, I can't think of anyone as qualified to lead us through this immediate dilemma. I think she'll be willing to pass the gavel when the ship is rescued from sinking. She plays by the rules and that is what we need to weather this storm so that what is put into place to make corrections will not be overturned or contested in litigation. That is of utmost importance right now and we can ill afford to have anyone else, young or old, lead us through this darkness.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #69)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:49 PM

75. How did the political strategies and personnel of the 90s...

... Work out for us in 2016…?

Time to move forward.

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Response to Baconator (Reply #75)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:23 AM

97. And how did running against Pelosi

work for Republicans in 2018?

BTW--Clinton won the popular vote by three million. Which in any other context would have been a landslide.

It wasn't "the political strategies and personnel of the '90s" that did us in. It was voter suppression, Comey's unethical intrusion into the election, and Russian hacking and collusion with the Trump campaign that gave us the current monstrosity.

"Moving forward" shouldn't mean ignoring criminal activity by blaming the victims of that activity.

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Response to BlueJac (Reply #58)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:50 PM

77. You would rather a speaker that was not on republican commercials? You would prefer

someone republicans like better? You think we are backward-looking if we pick someone who makes republicans mad?

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Response to BlueJac (Reply #58)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 01:53 AM

108. Get a clue. You saw her on many repug commercials but who won the election.

We did so it didn't work. Learn something from that.

Repugs hate her, we hate Paul Ryan.

That's how it works. Repugs sure didn't give a shit what Dems thought about who their speaker was and we damn sure shouldn't give a shit what repugs think about who our speaker is.

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Response to metroins (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:33 PM

71. They'll vilify ANYONE on our side, BUT I just simply think it is time for a CHANGE. Time for new

 

blood.

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Response to metroins (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:38 AM

100. She's an older woman and the left eat their own.

Just be honest and admit both are true.

Schumer didn't do shit in terms of helping the senate and he skates in again.

Meanwhile, Pelosi ate her way through barbed wire fence encrusted with rotten pig liver to help the party and...

"You guys! She's so easily vilified by the right. Why can't we learn some optics? Plus, we could use some freshness in our party."

Translation: "She's a strong (shrill) woman who should shut her mouth and give up her power for a white man (we must win over the rural white men, remember?). Why can't we get a younger person in power, preferably a man. Plus, did I mention? We need some young person, not that old bitch...preferably a man. Well, you know...that Ocasio Cortez is pretty hot, so if not a man, then... "

Admit it, metroins. That is more what you mean.

The transparency of this shit is ghastly.

Pelosi ate her way through barbed wire fence encrusted with rotten pig liver to help the party. So, yeah, fuck all ya'll haters. (and I don't even care if this gets me in trouble oh this forum. It's all about principle, and I gots it.)

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Response to Charlotte Little (Reply #100)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 01:58 AM

110. Well said. nt

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Response to metroins (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 01:44 AM

105. Can't believe someone on DU fell for repug talking points.

Any Democratic leader will be vilified by the right.

Good effin God!

If she/he wasn't vilified by the right they'd be doing a terrible job.

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:52 AM

101. Yes Please! Go Nancy Go!

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:28 PM

2. Anyone but a strong, qualified, experienced woman. Hmmm...where have I heard that before. n/t

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Response to CincyDem (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 05:15 PM

87. It seems like decades-long Anti-Pelosi campaign of FOX News & GOP is as successful as Anti-Clinton.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #87)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 07:07 PM

92. Meh...

Facts are facts...

Let's at least be realistic and admit that she has some negatives as well as positives.

It should be fine to discuss which one outweighs the other.

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Response to Baconator (Reply #92)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 01:58 AM

109. Wake up. The discussion is over. Repugs ran against her in the election...

and got washed out to sea by the huge blue wave of winning Democrats who kicked their asses.

Case and argument closed.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:28 PM

3. This Democrat Does. An Emphatic: YES!!!

 

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:28 PM

4. Oh EMM Effing Gee!

The woman is going to have the votes! We're going to talk about this just long enough for it to be a campaign issue in 2020.

These same quotes from DEMS are going to be on tv ads in order to garner votes or repukes.


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Response to UncleTomsEvilBrother (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:35 PM

14. Hey...

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Response to UncleTomsEvilBrother (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:32 PM

70. +1

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:28 PM

5. That pot's not going to stir itself

Thank the gods that the Post is here to breathlessly report on "Dems in Disarray®" their preferred narrative to avoid reporting on the dumpster fire happening at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:58 PM

49. Of course the post is also breathlessly reporting on the challenge between McCarthy and Jordan...

...but that wouldn't be nearly as good a narrative, would it?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #49)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:12 PM

57. Since that vote has already happened, and Jordan lost by a large margin

I'm not sure why the Post would be "breathlessly reporting" on it. But, okay.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #57)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:29 PM

67. They were reporting up to the vote. Is there a fixed number of stories that are acceptable?

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:29 PM

6. Baloney. We want Pelosi.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:30 PM

7. So tired of these anti-Nancy posts. What polls? Who cares whether repukes approve or not? n/t

This is the DU member formerly known as monmouth4.

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Response to monmouth4 (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:31 PM

10. I would suggest that the Republican thoughts on the matter ...

... aren't the part we should pay attention to.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:30 PM

8. Who polls???

Kinda like "many say?"

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:31 PM

11. Monmouth

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Response to Baconator (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:14 PM

26. I didn't know her fellow Reps voted via Monmouth for Speaker

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #26)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:45 PM

39. Literally no one is suggesting that..

Are you going down the 2016 rabbit hole of "polls don't matter... Who gives a shit what the people want?"

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Response to Baconator (Reply #39)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:55 PM

45. Is that the same rabbit hole that contains the subjective and meaningless phrases

"new blood" and "too old", both lacking any objective evidence at all to support them?

Or are you referring to a different hole... one in which you've not greatly assisted in digging to nowhere?

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:30 PM

9. I want and we need

Madam Speaker Pelosi.... experience is our lifeline.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:32 PM

12. Pelosi can't be a big enough pain in the ass for Trump!

This is the DU member formerly known as dubyadiprecession.

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Response to dubyadiprecession (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:33 PM

13. He's salivating at the thought I'm sure...

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:38 PM

16. Ahh....the mythical "Someone Else"

He is also the best backup quarterback in the league.

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Response to genxlib (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:40 PM

17. On my fantasy team, that'd be Dak Prescott.

Is that who we really want?

I don't think so.

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Response to genxlib (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:30 PM

30. oh crap, your someone else is a he? And I thought 36 percent of us were on the same page. nt

 

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Response to genxlib (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:55 PM

44. Also, popular prom date

 

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Response to genxlib (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:56 PM

47. On the proverbial "Generic Ballot" I'll bet.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:42 PM

18. Who cares? They've swallowed the hater Kool-aid. They have no idea how she functions

in Congress. If they dislike her it's because they have a vague impression that she's unlikeable -- and that came from DT.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:45 PM

19. Pelosi against Nobody? Pelosi wins haha

Has anyone even declared to run against Pelosi?

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:46 PM

20. and right on time, here you are.

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Response to JHan (Reply #20)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:43 PM

38. Hello...

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Response to Baconator (Reply #38)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:46 PM

40. hi.

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Response to JHan (Reply #40)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 01:06 AM

102. LOL!

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:48 PM

21. I'd prefer FDR as speaker (he qualifies as 'someone else'), but as he's not available...

I'll go with Pelosi.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 02:48 PM

22. 23% yes, 36% no, and 41% don't care.

Republicans and Independents don't matter.

She's done the job and done it well. Keep her 'til she can't.

And I don't remember anyone other than the Dem House members getting a vote anyway.

I think those numbers will break way different than 23-36-41.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #22)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 02:08 AM

111. As far as who gets a vote, the repugs submit their choice also to be voted on.,,

but since we're in the majority our candidate will win.

And it will most likely be Nancy Pelosi.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:14 PM

25. Who do Democrats want? The reincarnation of Sam Rayburn?

I can't really think of anybody in the House that would be more effective than Pelsoi and has experience. Steny Hoyer? Nah, kind of bland. Joe Crowley? was defeated in the primaries...Adam Schiff? No, he supports Pelosi.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:23 PM

27. Yes we need fresh face and ideas

Plus let's not give the GOP a leg to stand on.

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Response to Chickensoup (Reply #27)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:28 PM

29. I think we need effectiveness, smart and experience.

 

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Response to Wintryjade (Reply #29)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 01:37 AM

104. Elijah Cummings: Nancy has been battled tested..

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Response to Chickensoup (Reply #27)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:36 PM

34. Name me one fresh idea and which stale idea it would replace.

As for fresh face, fuck that.

We need experience. She's done the job and done it well. What part of that is a bad thing?

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Response to Post removed (Reply #43)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:55 PM

46. LOL...that didn't take long.

Welcome to DU.



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Response to Post removed (Reply #43)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:57 PM

48. So other than your post hoc ergo prompter hoc fallacy

...you have nothing valid or substantial at all to support your premise.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #43)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:03 PM

52. Also, now that I've thought for a minute about all the things you listed...

...I believe that bone you have to pick is with Debbie Wasserman Schultz, not Nancy Pelosi.

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Response to Chickensoup (Reply #27)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 01:35 AM

103. Stop Worrying about the Damn gop. We

Don't need a "fresh face". Sorry you have no idea what you're talking about.



Amanpour interviews Congressman-elect Tom Malinowski (D flipped seat that was R since '81)

snip//

I want to play something that maybe speaker, certainly Leader Pelosi said to me in September because a lot of people said well you know what, the Democrats don't really have a message to complete with Make America Great Again.

There's no slogan, there's no clear strategy but this is where she laid out in September.

What we're about in our campaign is that we are for the people, for lower health care costs, lowering prescription drug prices.

We're for raising pay checks, lowering healthcare costs, increasing paychecks by building the infrastructure of America and for cleaning up government to make sure people understand that the people's interest, not the special interests are served here in the United States Capitol.

So there she was laying out a strategy and one that clearly is a winning strategy

https://www.pbs.org/wnet/amanpour-and-company/video/congressman-elect-tom-malinowski/

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11406195



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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:27 PM

28. Same with HRC. Incredibly high polls in performance of SOS. Pelosi is off the charts in performance

 

That isn't the issue.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:31 PM

31. I go with the "no opinion" plurality, given those choices.

I don't want Steny Hoyer to take her place! I also understand that some Democrats campaigned promising not to support her leadership role. I can see benefits to having solid caucus unity behind leadership, and I also don't think that achieving that should necessarily be the most important goal.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:31 PM

32. what are the alternatives?

As far as I know, no one else is running for this position. GOP doesnt want Pelosi as a speaker cause they know she’ll accomplish a lot in two years. Do not take the bait. Pelosi is one of the most progressive memebrs of congress and represents dem party values very well.

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #32)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:38 PM

37. So far, "someone else" seems to be almost as popular as "don't care."

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #32)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 07:11 PM

93. That's part of my point...

The gap between Pelose (as the only real viable choice) and literally everyone else in the house is enormous.

Even assuming that she has all the connections and experience that her supporters say she does... She could get hit by a meteor or have a heart attack tomorrow and there doesn't appear to be anyone to step up at a moment's notice.

We should have a deeper bench and this is what got us in 2016.

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Response to Baconator (Reply #93)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 02:19 AM

113. Guess you never heard of Schiff, Cummings, Sanchez, Swalwell, Waters?

We have a very deep bench. And that's not including Hoyer or Clyburn.

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Response to brush (Reply #113)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 02:04 PM

116. Maybe... but then why the clamoring that Pelosi is the ONLY person...

... who could possibly handle this job?

Folks want to have it both ways. Pelosi is the singular source of experience, connections, fundraising and networks and thus she has to have the job while at the same time we have everyone you listed but they don't even get a look.

I'd agree with you that most of those folks could do it but there's no indication that it's even remotely possible.

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Response to Baconator (Reply #116)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 02:10 PM

117. I'm with Pelosi. Just pushing back on the argument that no one else has been groomed...

for Speaker when the time comes.

With this huge win of 40 seats in House, aided by the nearly 50m Pelosi raised, the time has not come.

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Response to Baconator (Reply #116)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 10:33 AM

118. Can you point us towards anyone at all alleging she's the only person who can do the job?

Or is that merely something you've imagined so as to have something to argue against?

Both ways, indeed...

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:34 PM

33. I'd be willing to bet over half the participants in that poll don't know who Nancy Pelosi is and,..

if they do know, they are either Dems or they heard her name mentioned by Republicans, e.g., "Nancy Pelosi is the source of all our trouble!" Given that a 41% plurality of participants in the poll have no opinion, I'd venture to say the poll is meaningless.

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #33)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:14 PM

60. And they don't have a clue what she does.

While those that have worked with her know what she does behind the scenes and how she interacts with her fellow legislators.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #60)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:30 PM

68. Yep. Right you are! And ultimately, those clueless ones could care less about what she does. eom

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:37 PM

35. Man oh man! This is a full court press! n/t

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:38 PM

36. I think some Democrats have fallen for GOP messaging.

This is the DU member formerly known as octoberlib.

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:58 PM

79. I think some GOP are pretending to be Democrats, and some really dumb Democrats are

falling for it.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:52 PM

41. "We can't have one smart tough cookie as Speaker! It would make us look out-of-touch

with the Republican party!"

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:52 PM

42. Just stop.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #42)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 03:59 PM

50. I think you're right. This may simply be another exercise in long division.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #50)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:07 PM

54. It absolutely is.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:01 PM

51. Pelosi should be Speaker. She's earned it, she's worked for it and she's good at it. Moulton

is a huge disappointment to me. I thought he had a future but opposing Pelosi without a credible alternative is really stupid and a waste of time that could be better spent on finding ways to dig this country out of the hole the Republicans have put it in.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:13 PM

59. We don't get to decide. And rightly so.

The polls are useless when it is the opinion of people who in most cases don't know enough about what Pelosi does.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:15 PM

61. I am for Pelosi

Because Republicans are against her and
They are afraid of her

We need her experience, she knows how to count the votes and she delivered for Obama the first 2 years

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:23 PM

65. Maybe.....

We should take an experienced speaker until the Democratic Congress gets on its feet and then take another look?

Presumably it would be helpful to trump and the republicans if we did otherwise.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:34 PM

72. Cheri Bustros would be a good choice. We should have someone new. Time for a change.

 

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:39 PM

74. They polled 800 people.



I wouldn't call the results a scientific conclusion. Over 50 Million Dem votes were cast in 2018.



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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:50 PM

76. It is not decided by a poll.

The House Democratic caucus actually votes, and then the entire House.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:57 PM

78. I guess I'd be in the 41%

I want to let our elected Representatives pick their leaders, not the public.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 05:06 PM

83. I'm not worried.

she'll work it out. and if i have to eat those words, so be it. tRump is still in deep shit now

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 05:11 PM

85. More Republican talking points...

hasn't everyone yet learned not to accept the spin put on the world by Rs? For example, the phrase "The incoming speaker is getting protested by one of her freshman," was spoken by Paul Ryan, but repeated by tens of thousands of Dems in the last two days. Dems should stop repeating Republican talking points.

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 05:13 PM

86. And I have to ask "why?"

Why would we not want the finest House Speaker, maybe ever. The shame is we’ve allowed the Repukes to turn Nancy into negative FOR DEMOCRATS. Rediculous!! 😡

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 05:26 PM

90. IOW, 64 percent of "Democrats" either want Pelosi or don't much care. Meanwhile, 36 percent want...

someone else. Sounds like Pelosi's a shoe-in. Go Nancy!!!!!!

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 08:07 PM

94. 72% R disapproval is good enough for me

That's a strong majority of GOPers who are scared of Nancy. Wonder why that might be?

Put Pelosi where she needs to be: in the Speaker's chair. Put the energetic newbies in committees where their enthusiasm can help get things done (especially getting a public light on GOPer deliberate damages). We don't need the freshmen getting clobbered by GOPer and M$M hounding -- Nancy can protect them while they get their DC armor on.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #94)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:28 AM

98. +1000

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 02:15 AM

112. She definitely won't be cowed by Trump

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Response to Baconator (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2018, 08:16 AM

114. What's important is what her constituents think of her, and her peers in the House.

 

Both think she's got what it takes.

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