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blogslut

(37,955 posts)
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 05:32 PM Nov 2018

Twitter thread: Liberals Should Stop Believing What Conservatives Say Liberals Believe




1. Something happened at the Capitol Tuesday to reaffirm my long-held view that liberals should stop believing what conservatives say liberals believe.

2. One of the biggest obstacles in the history of American liberalism has been this tendency among liberals to accept as true things liberalism’s enemies say about it and them.

3. Newly elected members of the US Congress arrived for orientation. @Ocasio2018 spoke at a sit-in featuring about 200 people outside Nancy Pelosi’s office.

4. The “protest,” as it was called, was organized by an advocacy group aiming to raise awareness about climate change and to advocate for more green-energy jobs.

5. This was manna to Ocasio-Cortez, who made history as the youngest woman ever elected to Congress after unseating US Rep. Joe Crowley, the former No. 3 in the House Democratic leadership.

6. The 29-year-old Latina has been stumping for liberal candidates across the country, making liberal arguments in unapologetically liberal ways. That she spoke with activists demanding action from leading liberals should have come as no surprise to anyone any time anywhere.

7. But then came this bit of disinformation from the spokeswoman of Paul Ryan to Capitol Hill reporters, which set the tone for the entire day: "Huh, well this is unconventional," AshLee Strong wrote in an email. "The incoming speaker is getting protested by one of her freshman."

8. From this point onward, Ocasio-Cortez wasn’t doing what a young dynamic liberal legislator does. No, no, no! She was “protesting” Pelosi!

9. AshLee Strong paved the way for every Capitol Hill reporter to tell a story they had been wanting to tell even though the narrative” was based on a falsehood: that this unruly mob can’t be controlled.

10. This “narrative” drew the ire of liberals who would have otherwise cheered Ocasio-Cortez. It rekindled the battle between the youngs and the olds, between “centrists” and “leftists,” and between “insurgents” and “the establishment.”

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20. AOC: This is about uplifting the voice and the message of the fact that we need a Green New Deal and we need to get to 100 percent renewables because our lives depend on it. … ***We are here to back [Pelosi] up.***

21. To which, Pelosi said: We are inspired by the energy and activism of the many young activists and advocates leading the way on the climate crisis …

22. Pelosi: We welcome the presence of these activists, and we strongly urge the Capitol Police to allow them to continue to organize and participate in our democracy.

23. Um, yeah, no. This was not a protest, as Republican AshLee Strong said. It was activism. This was not disunity. It was unity.


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Twitter thread: Liberals Should Stop Believing What Conservatives Say Liberals Believe (Original Post) blogslut Nov 2018 OP
Here ya go: demmiblue Nov 2018 #1
Thanks! blogslut Nov 2018 #3
You're welcome, blogslut! demmiblue Nov 2018 #12
The disinformation war is strong with the repukes. WhiteTara Nov 2018 #26
thank you for text and link Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #21
She's going to be a vocal advocate...and take Lots of Hits...but she can handle it. libdem4life Nov 2018 #2
Yep. And angry cranks across the twitterverse and internets perpetuate this lie to grind their... Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2018 #4
You can see their handiwork everywhere gratuitous Nov 2018 #13
the problem is that *the media* keeps believing whatever republicans say about liberals unblock Nov 2018 #5
And instead of investigating it themselves HopeAgain Nov 2018 #7
Recommended, and thank you for the onformation. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #6
In other words stop doing the Rs jobs for them pecosbob Nov 2018 #8
They need not to only get used to the term progressive... HopeAgain Nov 2018 #9
Yup zipplewrath Nov 2018 #10
both women praised each other. Kurt V. Nov 2018 #11
Yeah, that's not quite the way Cenk Uygur framed this on Young Turks, LOL. Small-Axe Nov 2018 #14
"Lol"... demmiblue Nov 2018 #15
Thank you. We have some here on a mission to divide us on this young lady. pwb Nov 2018 #16
"liberals should stop believing what conservatives say liberals believe." FSogol Nov 2018 #17
Well what do ya know. I wonder if this will get a responses in the hundreds? Autumn Nov 2018 #18
And people here were duped too. Within minutes the thread bashing AOC had SweetieD Nov 2018 #19
That all came from the jackass whisper and a banned troll joined in with her feed. Autumn Nov 2018 #20
thanks for truth! Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #22
And DU fell for it hook, line, and sinker. Iggo Nov 2018 #23
some are still pushing the rot, or were just a few hours back Celerity Nov 2018 #28
K & R nt greyl Nov 2018 #24
AshLee Strong was a big lie pusher for the R's AHCA. greyl Nov 2018 #25
is lying a requirement for a GOPer press secretary position? Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #27
it is a requirement for anything rethug related Celerity Nov 2018 #29

demmiblue

(36,742 posts)
1. Here ya go:
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 05:38 PM
Nov 2018
1. Something happened at the Capitol Tuesday to reaffirm my long-held view that liberals should stop believing what conservatives say liberals believe.

2. One of the biggest obstacles in the history of American liberalism has been this tendency among liberals to accept as true things liberalism’s enemies say about it and them.

3. Newly elected members of the US Congress arrived for orientation. @Ocasio2018 spoke at a sit-in featuring about 200 people outside Nancy Pelosi’s office.

4. The “protest,” as it was called, was organized by an advocacy group aiming to raise awareness about climate change and to advocate for more green-energy jobs.

5. This was manna to Ocasio-Cortez, who made history as the youngest woman ever elected to Congress after unseating US Rep. Joe Crowley, the former No. 3 in the House Democratic leadership.

6. The 29-year-old Latina has been stumping for liberal candidates across the country, making liberal arguments in unapologetically liberal ways. That she spoke with activists demanding action from leading liberals should have come as no surprise to anyone any time anywhere.

7. But then came this bit of disinformation from the spokeswoman of Paul Ryan to Capitol Hill reporters, which set the tone for the entire day: "Huh, well this is unconventional," AshLee Strong wrote in an email. "The incoming speaker is getting protested by one of her freshman."

8. From this point onward, Ocasio-Cortez wasn’t doing what a young dynamic liberal legislator does. No, no, no! She was “protesting” Pelosi!

9. AshLee Strong paved the way for every Capitol Hill reporter to tell a story they had been wanting to tell even though the narrative” was based on a falsehood: that this unruly mob can’t be controlled.

10. This “narrative” drew the ire of liberals who would have otherwise cheered Ocasio-Cortez. It rekindled the battle between the youngs and the olds, between “centrists” and “leftists,” and between “insurgents” and “the establishment.”

11. Worse, it inspired some liberals to trot out the old (often vaguely sexist) nomenclature: Ocasio-Cortez was grandstanding. She was showboating. She was this, that, and whatever. Too many liberals accepted as true what liberalism’s enemies said about it and them.

12. Thing is, when you actually listen to the women, a different picture comes to light. Not only was Ocasio-Cortez doing what young dynamic liberal legislators are supposed to do—bring new energy and new ideas to the table—

13. she was charting her own course while forging alliances with established powers. She created a bridge between an energized under-30 base & the party’s leadership. She’ll likely be an invaluable ally as Pelosi plots a way forward.

14. Few can say they’ve accomplished more on their first day.

15. Bloomberg reported the incident was a challenge to “party unity.” The Times said earlier these renegades may be unwilling to “toe the party line.” Fox’s Laura Ingraham thrilled at the sight of Nancy Pelosi trying to wrangle newly elected “insurgents.”

None of it was true.

16. As is the case when women rise to power, people are eager to project onto them what they want to see, and are not listening to what they are actually saying.

17. Reporters can be trusted to frame politics in conservative terms. That’s what happened. Right-wing media can be trusted to cement the view that the Democrats are “a mob” and risk “overplaying their hand.” That’s what happened. But liberals ought to know better.

18. Here is what Ocasio-Cortez said to activists:

Should Leader Pelosi become the next Speaker of the House, we need to tell her that we’ve got her back in showing and pursuing the most progressive energy agenda that this country has ever seen.

19. Later, to the news media:

AOC: One of the things I admire so much about Leader Pelosi is that she comes from a space of activism and organizing. And so I think that she really appreciates civic engagement. What I’m here to do is to support the folks who are here. …

20. AOC: This is about uplifting the voice and the message of the fact that we need a Green New Deal and we need to get to 100 percent renewables because our lives depend on it. …

***We are here to back [Pelosi] up.***

21. To which, Pelosi said: We are inspired by the energy and activism of the many young activists and advocates leading the way on the climate crisis …

22. Pelosi: We welcome the presence of these activists, and we strongly urge the Capitol Police to allow them to continue to organize and participate in our democracy.

23. Um, yeah, no. This was not a protest, as Republican AshLee Strong said. It was activism. This was not disunity. It was unity.

24. This isn’t the Tea Party. This isn’t a conservative party. It’s a liberal and democratic party. Reporters should cover it as such if only for the purpose of accurately representing reality.

25. But liberals weren’t listening either. They should have been. Instead, they accepted as true what liberalism’s enemies said about it and them.

26. Hi! Thanks for reading this thread. Please share! And please consider signing up for the Editorial Board, a daily newsletter about national politics. THANKS! stoehr.substack.com/p/listen-liber…

CORRECTION: Crowley was the No. 4 House Dem, not No. 3. I regret the error.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1062761886796668934.html


demmiblue

(36,742 posts)
12. You're welcome, blogslut!
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 06:06 PM
Nov 2018

I trashed the thread that posted a tweet from the Hoarse Whisperer after it became obvious that people didn't take the time to listen/watch the video, which seems to be a common practice here (especially true regarding reading longer written news/opinion pieces). It would help if people didn't post tweets from Twitter sources who purposely spin events for their own purposes. Hell, there was a thread recently that received almost 200 recs based on info that was completely false (a frickin' single tweet that only a few decided to investigate).

Le sigh.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
2. She's going to be a vocal advocate...and take Lots of Hits...but she can handle it.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 05:38 PM
Nov 2018

She carries a whole new generation(and some of us old fogies) on her back, and she knows it. Great Post.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,271 posts)
4. Yep. And angry cranks across the twitterverse and internets perpetuate this lie to grind their...
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 05:39 PM
Nov 2018

... dull tired axes.

To them I say, congratulations, you’ve been suckered by Paul Ryan’s spokesperson and helped spread the unruly mob lies.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
13. You can see their handiwork everywhere
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 06:08 PM
Nov 2018

And yes, I do mean everywhere. Those pots aren't going to stir themselves.

unblock

(51,973 posts)
5. the problem is that *the media* keeps believing whatever republicans say about liberals
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 05:40 PM
Nov 2018

instead of asking aoc who or what she's protesting, they ask paul ryan's spokeswoman.

and instead of saying "you're wrong, that's not what she's protesting", they go ahead and put the bogus statement on the air, because it generates eyeballs, and that's more important to the media than the truth.

pecosbob

(7,502 posts)
8. In other words stop doing the Rs jobs for them
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 05:44 PM
Nov 2018

Anytime you hear ANYTHING in the media about a Dem be suspicious of it's spin and it's origin. Notice how many even try to make the term progressive into a coded insult here at DU?

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
10. Yup
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 05:48 PM
Nov 2018

The GOP does a good job of defining what conflicts exist within the democratic party, even if they don't really exist.

 

Small-Axe

(359 posts)
14. Yeah, that's not quite the way Cenk Uygur framed this on Young Turks, LOL.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 06:11 PM
Nov 2018

And now AOC is a "liberal" as opposed to a "progressive?"

"Unity" is fascinating.

pwb

(11,204 posts)
16. Thank you. We have some here on a mission to divide us on this young lady.
Wed Nov 14, 2018, 09:26 PM
Nov 2018

No names but they are obvious if one pays attention. I like the new blood and don't think they are dividing us at all. Way to early for this talk. They have not spoken in the floor or even cast one vote. Jeesh !!!!

SweetieD

(1,660 posts)
19. And people here were duped too. Within minutes the thread bashing AOC had
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 12:54 PM
Nov 2018

a ton of responses joining in the bashing. And most people did not bother to watch the video or read actual stories about it.

Autumn

(44,743 posts)
20. That all came from the jackass whisper and a banned troll joined in with her feed.
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 01:23 PM
Nov 2018

And it was off and running.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,021 posts)
22. thanks for truth!
Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:23 PM
Nov 2018

Thank you for finding and posting this. It seemed fishy that Pelosi and Ocasio-Cortez were being so amicable while the 'press' was clutching pearls and squawking.

greyl

(22,990 posts)
25. AshLee Strong was a big lie pusher for the R's AHCA.
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 12:21 AM
Nov 2018
David Boddiger 5/06/17 The press secretary for House Speaker Paul Ryan, AshLee Strong, has had it with people bothering her when she’s trying to mislead the public on the Republican health care bill.

On Saturday, Strong was simply going about her business “setting the record straight” on the Republican’s American Health Care Act (AHCA)—and by straight, she means all kinds of crooked.

“AHCA was posted online a month ago, went through 4 committees, & has been scored by CBO – twice,” she tweeted Saturday morning.


Pesky reporters and really anyone who’s been following the news lately knew that the current version of the bill passed by the House this week had in fact not been scored by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), as Strong claimed. Many asked her for a link to that mystery CBO score.

https://splinternews.com/paul-ryan-s-spokeswoman-fed-up-with-people-calling-her-1794987872
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