Possible Pelosi Challenger for House Speaker One of Only 2 Dems Who Did Not Support LGBT Equality

[hlthe2b]

https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/2018/11/possible-pelosi-challenger-for-house-speaker-is-one-of-only-two-dems-who-did-not-support-lgbt-equality-act/#.W-3dbiCeFfQ.twitter

One of the possible candidates who is considering running for Speaker against Nancy Pelosi is Ohio Democratic Rep. Marcia Fudge.

Rep. Fudge is one of only two House Democrats who refused to support the LGBT Equality Act. The bill, introduced in May of 2017 by Rep. David Cicilline, would "prohibit discrimination on the basis of sex, gender identity, and sexual orientation."

The bill would amend two major civil rights laws to ban anti-LGBT discrimination in "education, employment, housing, credit, Federal jury service, public accommodations, and the use of Federal funds."

When introduced, it was supported by 241 Members of Congress: 46 Democratic Senators, 194 Democratic Representatives, and even one Republican Congresswoman.

But not Rep. Fudge, and not Illinois Democratic Congressman Dan Lipinski, who holds anti-LGBT views and beliefs in keeping with the Christian right.

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Congresswoman Fudge says she is weighing a challenge to Leader Pelosi, and says it's about diversity.

[manor321]

1. Can't imagine how she thinks Democrats would vote for her

[hlthe2b]

2. I think the Pelosi haters are exploiting her. She's obviously flattered, but one might hope

she would ask herself, why her? She is not the most accomplished woman nor among members of the CBC, it appears to me....

[Beakybird]

3. Do not pass Fudgement unless you're willing to be Fudged

I hope Pelosi is the next speaker.

[BeyondGeography]

4. Sigh

Marcia Fudge is not anti-gay; she has explained her reasonong on this:

Fudge has taken her own licks from Pelosi’s allies over the last 24 hours. When she first raised the possibility of running for speaker in an interview with Cleveland.com, it was quickly pointed out that Fudge is one of two House Democrats who has refused to co-sponsor the Equality Act, which would extend civil rights protections to people on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.

Fudge said her stance has nothing to do with opposition to those issues, but is due to lawmakers opening up the Civil Rights Act to extend those protections. “If it were a standalone, I’d vote for it today,” she said, challenging people to find one vote where she has stood against the LGBTQ community. Fudge also said she has always supported marriage equality.

“The president of the United States is a racist, in my opinion,” Fudge said. “If we open up the Civil Rights Act, it’s like opening up Pandora’s box.”

Asked why the Civil Rights Act wouldn’t be an appropriate place for those protections, she said she just disagreed with that idea. “I believe that, if we open the Civil Rights Act ― which basically could be done at any time ― but if we open it, I think we open ourselves to problems that we don’t intend.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/marcia-fudge-speaker_us_5bed9033e4b03af89267a979

Feel free to self-delete this smear of a good pro-LGBTQ Democrat.

[dsc]

5. She is lying

The Equality Act predates Trump (it was first introduced in 2015). She didn't sign on then and I presume she wasn't afraid that Obama would trash the Civil Rights Act. Clearly she thinks LGBT rights are less important than her rights. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equality_Act_(United_States)

[Bfd]

7. Her Vote is On Record. The but..but..but came later to the press.

Real progressive rep.
Yup.

However there's no question, nor doubt, nor need for an explaination as to where Speaker Pelosi stands on this civil rights issue.


Here's a good place to get to know Speaker Pelosi
https://pelosi.house.gov/issues/lgbt

No explaination necessary from Pelosi.

[BeyondGeography]

9. I guess Fudge will see Pelosi at the next gathering of the Progressive Caucus then

Non-members are invited.

[Bfd]

11. LOL.

Sure. 'You can come in but we don't like you.' Invite only

Imagine if Pelosi had told AOC & her sign carrying group the other day, that they were't welcome anytime in her office.

You see THIS is why She is the Speaker & The 5 white guys aren't.

[BeyondGeography]

12. Five white guys

This saga is so much deeper than that. Do take comfort in that bogus narrative if it works for ya though.

[Bfd]

14. Its much deeper. Here's a good book those 5 white guys should read

[Celerity]

27. 'AOC & her sign carrying group' pure tosh

Last edited Mon Mar 6, 2023, 06:04 AM - Edit history (1)

AOC didn't organise it and only spoke to them briefly during which she said

“We need to tell her (Speaker Pelosi) that we’ve got her back in showing and pursuing the most progressive energy agenda that this country has even seen. This is about unity. This is about solidarity and the fact that we are going to make a better future for our kids, and we know that she is going to be there with us. That's what this is about."

Link to the tweets

1. Something happened at the Capitol Tuesday to reaffirm my long-held view that liberals should stop believing what conservatives say liberals believe.
2. One of the biggest obstacles in the history of American liberalism has been this tendency among liberals to accept as true things liberalism’s enemies say about it and them.
3. Newly elected members of the US Congress arrived for orientation. @Ocasio2018spoke at a sit-in featuring about 200 people outside Nancy Pelosi’s office.
4. The “protest,” as it was called, was organized by an advocacy group aiming to raise awareness about climate change and to advocate for more green-energy jobs.
5. This was manna to Ocasio-Cortez, who made history as the youngest woman ever elected to Congress after unseating US Rep. Joe Crowley, the former No. 3 in the House Democratic leadership.
6. The 29-year-old Latina has been stumping for liberal candidates across the country, making liberal arguments in unapologetically liberal ways. That she spoke with activists demanding action from leading liberals should have come as no surprise to anyone any time anywhere.
7. But then came this bit of disinformation from the spokeswoman of Paul Ryan to Capitol Hill reporters, which set the tone for the entire day: "Huh, well this is unconventional," AshLee Strong wrote in an email. "The incoming speaker is getting protested by one of her freshman."
8. From this point onward, Ocasio-Cortez wasn’t doing what a young dynamic liberal legislator does. No, no, no! She was “protesting” Pelosi!
9. AshLee Strong paved the way for every Capitol Hill reporter to tell a story they had been wanting to tell even though the narrative” was based on a falsehood: that this unruly mob can’t be controlled.
10. This “narrative” drew the ire of liberals who would have otherwise cheered Ocasio-Cortez. It rekindled the battle between the youngs and the olds, between “centrists” and “leftists,” and between “insurgents” and “the establishment.”
11. Worse, it inspired some liberals to trot out the old (often vaguely sexist) nomenclature: Ocasio-Cortez was grandstanding. She was showboating. She was this, that, and whatever. Too many liberals accepted as true what liberalism’s enemies said about it and them.
12. Thing is, when you actually listen to the women, a different picture comes to light. Not only was Ocasio-Cortez doing what young dynamic liberal legislators are supposed to do—bring new energy and new ideas to the table—
13. she was charting her own course while forging alliances with established powers. She created a bridge between an energized under-30 base & the party’s leadership. She’ll likely be an invaluable ally as Pelosi plots a way forward.
14. Few can say they’ve accomplished more on their first day.
15. Bloomberg reported the incident was a challenge to “party unity.” The Times said earlier these renegades may be unwilling to “toe the party line.” Fox’s Laura Ingraham thrilled at the sight of Nancy Pelosi trying to wrangle newly elected “insurgents.”

None of it was true.

16. As is the case when women rise to power, people are eager to project onto them what they want to see, and are not listening to what they are actually saying.
17. Reporters can be trusted to frame politics in conservative terms. That’s what happened. Right-wing media can be trusted to cement the view that the Democrats are “a mob” and risk “overplaying their hand.” That’s what happened. But liberals ought to know better.

18. Here is what Ocasio-Cortez said to activists:

Should Leader Pelosi become the next Speaker of the House, we need to tell her that we’ve got her back in showing and pursuing the most progressive energy agenda that this country has ever seen.
19. Later, to the news media:

AOC: One of the things I admire so much about Leader Pelosi is that she comes from a space of activism and organizing. And so I think that she really appreciates civic engagement. What I’m here to do is to support the folks who are here. …
20. AOC: This is about uplifting the voice and the message of the fact that we need a Green New Deal and we need to get to 100 percent renewables because our lives depend on it. …

***We are here to back [Pelosi] up.***
21. To which, Pelosi said: We are inspired by the energy and activism of the many young activists and advocates leading the way on the climate crisis …
22. Pelosi: We welcome the presence of these activists, and we strongly urge the Capitol Police to allow them to continue to organize and participate in our democracy.
23. Um, yeah, no. This was not a protest, as Republican AshLee Strong said. It was activism. This was not disunity. It was unity.
24. This isn’t the Tea Party. This isn’t a conservative party. It’s a liberal and democratic party. Reporters should cover it as such if only for the purpose of accurately representing reality.
25. But liberals weren’t listening either. They should have been. Instead, they accepted as true what liberalism’s enemies said about it and them.



you keep pushing this false narrative of division

almost all the push back on Pelosi is from the centrist right side of our big tent

not from the more leftist environs



AND yet


you went further and used a tried and true (by the RW) tactic by using dodgy guilt-by-association to try and slur and smear AOC as some Farrakhan associate and/or crony

Same shit that went down with Obama and Jeremiah Wright back in 2008 (both from the RW and the other Democratic candidates)

I am not making this up

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11422900



my reply then stands

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11424504





edited to add

[BannonsLiver]

29. +1

He explanation has a whiff of CYA to it.

[obamanut2012]

15. lulz -- wrong

[Raine1967]

20. I don't understand her explanation.

I read the article and still don't understand her reasoning.

LGBTQ rights ARE civil rights. Why is she advocating for separation?

[BeyondGeography]

23. She just put another statement out

It says what she opposed was "including the Equality Act in the current Civil Rights Act. The Civil Rights Act is over 50 years old and isn't even adequate to protect the people currently in it. I want us to do a new and modern civil rights bill that protects the LGBTQ community and updates protections for this era. I do believe it is appropriate to relitigate the current Civil Rights Act."

This is the only place it shows up; if you click on the highlighted image you can actually read it:

Link to tweet

[Ms. Toad]

28. There is at least a strong minority in the black community

who believe that LGBT rights are not civil rights - or at least not of the same caliber as race-based civil rights.

I ran into that fairly frequently when I suggested that there was no substantive legal difference between Loving v. Virginia & same gender marraige.

[RhodeIslandOne]

30. Yup

Unfortunately lost a longtime friend because they were incensed I considered gay marriage should be on the same protected ground as interracial marriage. I didn’t even wish to argue about it honestly but knowing I held that opinion was too much for them to want to associate with me.

[hlthe2b]

22. I did not smear her, I posted a valid article. You, however, have smeared ME.

The article was truthful in covering an indefensible vote for a so-called progressive.

[dbackjon]

35. BULL FUCKING SHIT

Her reasoning is 100% lying.

[LexVegas]

6. No thanks. nt

[davsand]

8. I saw a headline earlier that said the Pelosi challengers/naysayers are right of Pelosi.

I didn't bother to fact check it, but it makes sense to me that a lot of the anti Pelosi stuff is being driven by the conservative wing of the party rather than the far left. I'm probably left of Pelosi, and frustrated with her refusal to talk impeachment. That doesn't mean, however, that I think anybody else would do a better job. (I figure I don't always agree with my husband on politics, and I chose him to marry--she gets a pass for different opinions too!) Dems need to be unified at this point.

Nancy makes the most sense.


Laura

[Hortensis]

10. Well, for leadership experience, a few years ago she

was chair of the house Black Caucus and is the ranking member on an agriculture subcommittee. She would be in line to become chair of that subcommittee in 2019.

Two of the #FiveWhiteGuys who are supposedly trying to unseat America's top-ranking (ever!) female politician in "the year of the woman" are reportedly encouraging her. A couple of those are believed by some to be using opposition to make a deal for better assignments or other preferences. Wondering if Rep. Fudge could be doing the same; she is making strong running sounds.

Other members of the Congressional Black Caucus, including Bobby Rush of IL and Maxine Waters, support Pelosi, though. And Pelosi is still expected to win the Democratic caucus's own internal vote on November 28. The big trouble might come in January when Republicans get to vote with Democrats on who will be speaker.

Only a guess, but it's hard to imagine Fudge forming a coalition with Republicans to break the usual party-line vote that gives the speakership to the choice of the majority caucus. In fact, some may remember her as a strong speaker at our 2016 Democratic convention when she ordered badly behaved people (they were being noisy and then booed when she mentioned Hillary) to be quiet. "I am going to be respectful of you," she said sternly. "And I want you to be respectful of me."

She's 66, was once mayor of her town holds a safe Democratic seat, and is Baptist but pro-abortion. She says she would vote for the LGBT legislation but wanted it as a separate bill, not part of the civil rights bill she's criticized for refusing to coauthor. More explanation needed here.

[Me.]

13. Uh Oh

Back to the drawing board Ryan and Moulton though this is exhibit A in their notion of what constitutes a good leader

[Bfd]

17. And Pelosi's record is MORE PROGRESSIVE than any of the famous

5 White Guys.
The obvious is screaming out loud on this brilliant move.

I think Seth should run against Pelosi.
He owns this.

[Me.]

19. He Does

and whispers of racism and sexism as reported today, in one instance by Rep, Clyburn himself will not serve Moulton well at all if he is indeed involved. Rep. Clyburn says he has been getting calls about this and a MJ reporter suggested the same and mentioned Moulton's name.

[Hortensis]

34. What does it say when a strong, very progressive leader

is under attack by people who claim to be progressive but want an unidentified someone, anyone, with much less support by his colleagues and far, far less experience? What's going on?

If this is the year of the woman and we're making so much progress, how on earth is it that some are some fighting the same fight as the Republicans -- to remove the highest ranking woman in all of American history? A woman who is, ridiculously, STILL having to fight for women's equality in her own office?

Some have absolutely NO idea of who would replace Pelosi -- but not a problem because someone will pop up to vote for? WTF is behind this? Because it's sure not progressivism.

[UniteFightBack]

16. I saw a quote where Fudge said I don't want the LGBT stuff in the 'civil rights bill' and that

she is all for something separate ....made me SMH.

[Cha]

18. so you may want to tell this Democrat who's pushing to dump Pelosi and make her 3rd in line for the

Link to tweet

[irisblue]

21. B/C the local LGBTQ groups know their politicians best/ClevelandStonewall Dems endorsed her

http://clevelandstonewalldems.org/elections-endorsements-campaign-updates

Her name is on their list.

[workinclasszero]

24. The log cabin republicans endorsed Trump too

[irisblue]

25. The Columbus Log Cabin Club

Was run by a wealthy woman for 10-12 years.
Never understood that, lesbian almost Quisling.
She must think her $ would save her.

[MuseRider]

26. I am not a big fan of Pelosi but

she has kept things together and done a good job at that.

I wonder if some of this is just because they think they got elected by saying they did not support her or said it just to get elected. Politics is a dirty damned game.

Whatever, I will be furious if she would be replaced by someone who does not believe in total acceptance and total diversity. I cannot imagine this.

[stopbush]

33. I'm a HUGE fan of Pelosi. Can't stand Bernie Sanders.

It all works out in the wash.

[MuseRider]

36. Yes it does!

I like Bernie and his ideas but that does not mean I will throw away ideas from others. I do not want him to run for president again, I am looking for a woman hopefully but someone young and not white. I do want his ideas and thoughts heard.

I like it when I find people who agree to disagree and agree that the more input we have the better. It does work out in the wash and we are better when we do not separate the loads. <--must be my night to be corny!

[TwistOneUp]

31. Pelosi's fab, but the rest ...

Gotta be devout little hateful christian soldiers.

[stopbush]

32. So sick of the fucking Xians, becthey R or D.