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Thu Nov 15, 2018, 11:01 PM

Much of the actual, (meaning elected members) anti-Pelosi sentiment is coming from the centrists.

I was asked earlier to make this an OP

Some of the new ones who ran on an openly anti-Pelosi stance, then the so-called #5WhiteGuys group.

I am pretty progressive and I 100% fully support Nancy Pelosi for Speaker, we so, so need her at this crucial moment!!

Here are some of the new centrists who won whilst running on an openly anti-Pelosi platform

I apologise if I missed some, it takes a lot of digging

Ben McAdams (D-UT-4)

Ben McAdams joins 16 fellow Democrats opposing Nancy Pelosi for speaker


Mikie Sherrill (D-NJ-11)


Sherrill announced that she would not vote House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi into a House leadership position if she was elected to fill retiring Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen’s seat.

Anthony Brindisi (D-NY-22) (up until recently had a 100% rating from the NRA as well https://www.cityandstateny.com/articles/politics/campaigns-elections/anthony-brindisi-nra-100-percent-rating )

WASHINGTON -- Anthony Brindisi, one of the top recruits for Democrats seeking to take control of the House this year, says he won't support Nancy Pelosi to lead the party if he's elected to Congress.

Jared Golden (D-ME-2)

Democrats agree Poliquin and Pelosi need to go


State Rep. Jared Golden of Lewiston told a forum that he “has no intention of voting for Nancy Pelosi. None at all.”

Max Rose (D-NY-11)


“If the Democratic Party is going to earn back the trust of the American people then we need to show them that we are serious about changing our politics — and that means we need a change in leadership.

Jeff Van Drew (D-NJ-1)


"We need to change the leadership in Washington. After more than a decade of leading House Democrats as Speaker and Minority Leader, Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi will not have my support as leader in the next session," Van Drew said in a statement.

Andy Kim (D-NJ-3)


Andy Kim joined a slew of other New Jersey House hopefuls on Saturday when he announced that he would support new leadership in Washington and, by extension, that he would not support House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi for a leadership role.

“When I worked in Afghanistan, no one asked me if I was a Democrat or Republican, we just focused on serving the American people,” Kim said. “As I’m now working to help my community here in New Jersey, it’s time we have new leadership on both sides of the aisle in Washington to get the job done.”

All of New Jersey’s non-incumbent Democratic House candidates, save former Assistant Secretary of State Tom Malinowski, have announced they would not reelect Pelosi if they win election.


Joe Cunningham (D-SC-1) (very anti progressive types, called them failures, blasted Obama for pushing country too far to the left, called Hillary a horrible candidate https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/27/opinions/democrats-should-not-tack-left-cunningham/index.html )

New SC Rep. Joe Cunningham pledges he won't back Pelosi 'under any circumstance'


Jason Crow (D-CO-6)


“I won’t be supporting Nancy Pelosi…. I want new leadership to set up and move this country forward.”

Abigail Spanberger (D-VA-7) (she also wants to work with Repugs and Trump https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/15/politics/abigail-spanberger-virginia-congresswoman/index.html ) ex CIA

Abigail Spanberger is not backing Nancy Pelosi for House speaker


Statement to NBC News (7/31/2018)

"We need new leadership in Washington, on both sides of the aisle, and at every level, from first-term members to Congressional leadership, and for this reason, under no circumstances, would I vote for Nancy Pelosi to again be Speaker of the House."

Elissa Slotkin (D-MI-8) (another of the ex CIA winners)


"I never want to be disrespectful to someone who has served, especially a woman who has broken glass ceilings," Slotkin said. "I just think we need to hear what people are telling us, which is they want a different generation of leadership on both sides of the aisle. So no, I would not support Nancy Pelosi."

Nate McMurray (D-NY-27) (has not won yet, still fighting Chris Collins)

McMurray Says He Won’t Support Pelosi If Elected To Congress


Haley Stevens (D-MI-11)


Most of Michigan's incumbents indicated they would vote for Pelosi on the House floor if she's the caucus' nominee, but at least two congresswomen-elect — Elissa Slotkin and Haley Stevens — maintain their stance that new leadership is needed.

"I'm not about to just flip my principles now that I'm elected," Slotkin said this week.

Lizzie Fletcher (D-TX-7)

is on the fence



Rep. Kathleen Rice (D-NY-4)
Rep. Linda Sánchez (D-CA-38)
Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-NJ-9)
Rep. Conor Lamb (D-PA-18)
Rep. Seth Moulton (D-MA-6)
Rep. Brian Higgins (D-NY-26
Rep. Tim Ryan (D-OH-13)
Rep. Jim Cooper (D-TN-5)
Rep. Kurt Schrader (D-OR-5)
Rep. Ed Perlmutter (D-CO-07)
Rep. Marcia Fudge (D-OH-11)
Rep. Bill Foster (D-IL-11)
Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-MA-08)

See this for a further example of threatening to vote against her (from the Blue Dog, Lieberman-backed, bi-partisanship-pushing, Problem Solvers types)

Stephanie Murphy, 8 other Democrats want promises from Nancy Pelosi in exchange for speaker votes


Nine centrist House Democrats are throwing another hurdle in the path of top party leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) as she sprints toward the speaker’s gavel.

It’s not an unexpected obstacle: The nine are members of the Problem Solvers Caucus, a group formed to promote bipartisanship whose members agreed in September to condition their votes for any speaker candidate on support for a package of rules changes meant to improve how the House operates.

In a letter sent to Pelosi on Tuesday, the nine Democrats reiterated that their speaker votes are on the line and asked for a “written, public commitment” to their proposals by Friday.

“Our constituents and our democracy deserve better,” they wrote. “Put simply, they want us to govern again.”


Signing the letter are Reps. Josh Gottheimer (N.J.), Tom O’Halleran (Ariz.), Jim Costa (Calif.), Kurt Schrader (Ore.), Daniel Lipinski (Ill.), Darren Soto (Fla.), Stephanie Murphy (Fla.), Tom Suozzi (N.Y.) and Vicente Gonzalez (Tex.).


Bipartisan ‘No Labels’ group’s super PAC network revealed: mega Chicago donors


With a boost from Chicago-area mega donors, including White Sox and Bulls Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf, No Labels, a group advocating bipartisanship in Congress, has created a network of super PACs to influence the 2018 elections — but doesn’t want its fingerprints on the money.

One of the super PACs, United for Progress Inc., has spent $740,334 as of Sunday to bolster Rep. Dan Lipinski, D-Ill., in his March 20 Illinois Democratic primary battle with Marie Newman in the 3rd Congressional District. The names of the super PACS don’t link them to No Labels. A Sun-Times investigation determined super PACS related to No Labels include: United for Progress Inc.; Citizens for a Strong America Inc.; United Together; Govern or Go Home; and Forward, Not Back.

The Sun-Times inquiry included interviews with donors or their representatives and an examination of documents filed with the Federal Election Commission. United for Progress, Inc., is playing political hardball, attacking Newman in the commercials and direct mail pieces it paid for. Lipinski is part of a No Labels offshoot, the congressional “Problem Solvers Caucus.”


THE ILLINOIS CONNECTIONS: Last year, a No Labels leader, former Sen. Joe Lieberman, was a draw at a meeting at the Chicago Club, 81 E. Van Buren. Lieberman was the 2000 Democratic vice presidential nominee who became an Independent senator from Connecticut.


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Response to Celerity (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 01:41 AM

1. It's not just coming from the centrists, it's coming from the "real" progressives as well


I've seen too many of them calling her a corporate shill and sellout, etc.

I think most of it is really being egged on by the Republicans and the Russians ... because they want to see the Democrats in turmoil and not unified. And as usual, these same people are being tools for them. They were in 2016, they're doing it now and they'll probably continue to do it in 2020. It's an uphill battle.

We need to stand by Pelosi strong and unified.

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 01:48 AM

2. i think it's a cultural/social issue. we have seen how certain so called liberals/progressives etc

relate more to right wing bigots and many who claimed to be the most liberal for years and attacked democrats for not being left enough ended up supporting trump.

i think for these people it's more of a cultural thing. they are more comfortable with men in power and especially white men. any woman or minority has to be more of a figurehead type who mostly pushes the agenda of the privileged.

this is why they don't like people like Hillary, pelosi, and even democrats like obama.

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Response to SFnomad (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 01:51 AM

3. I have seen almost none of the progressive wing (ones actually elected) call for Pelosi to go

I can't be bothered with non Democrats or other people not elected who want to have a jab

they are not about working to get progressive agendas into play and hopefully passed when Trump is booted out

I have, on the other hand, seen a lot of false memes, especially about AOC, picked up from dubious sourcing ( for example a really dodgy tweet here yesterday kicked it all off), completely spun up, and repeated to try and sew division

perfect example here


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Response to Celerity (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 01:59 AM

4. What bohers me, really infuriates me, is that none of them gives a reason for replacing her

besides "new blood." None proposes someone else and a reason for why this new person will be better.

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Response to question everything (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 03:20 AM

6. Right.. that's about as

deep as they can go.

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Response to question everything (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 06:27 AM

8. The only "reason" was that the GOP was running ads

trying to tie Dem candidates to the "liberal Pelosi". The Dem candidates' opposition was merely a campaign self-preservation move. And Pelosi was ok with that.

I called my new congressman-elect's office and let them know I voted for him and if decides not to vote for Pelosi, he might not get my vote again in 2 years. I seriously do doubt that anyone who voted for a Dem house candidate did so because of a candidates' commitment not to support Pelosi.

Obviously Dems need a transition plan with a younger crowd. The leadership can't all be in their late 70s. From a Pennsylvania perspective, I wouldn't mind seeing Dwight Evan brought into the leadership circle. Evans was the top Dem on the state house appropriations committee and plenty of state legislative leadership experience. There's a couple of more Bob Casey type reps like Mike Doyle and Brendan Boyle, too.

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Response to Celerity (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 02:53 AM

5. Nancy Pelosi is the unofficial head of the DCCC

...which supported the more right-wing candidate in every two-way Democratic Primary it interfered in.

The leftists who ran in primaries against some of the US Reps-elect above would be supporting Pelosi now.

The DCCC should be neutral in primaries.

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Response to Celerity (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 03:31 AM

7. It's took years of rw hate machine and

millions of $$$ but they finally did this.. but just not well enough.

I'd like to post all those who are strongly endorsing Nancy.. those who I've grown to love and respect over the years.

And, Bonus..
The Only Credible Challenger to Nancy Pelosi's Speakership Just Endorsed Nancy Pelosi

The inclusion of Linda Sanchez on that list should have been the first clue that the people trying to rattle the most effective Speaker of the House in generations are pathetic power players. Linda Sanchez ended her pursuit of leadership in the Democratic caucus six days ago - after her husband was indicted on federal criminal charges in Connecticut. That Moulton was floating her name yesterday is indication that this group is not just behind the ballgame, they don’t even read the news.

Rep. Marcia Fudge has been out on the speaking circuits trying to accuse Pelosi of not paying attention to issues of race, but it will prove to be difficult as (a) Fudge has not yet declared her candidacy for speaker, and (b) black women in the House largely line up behind Pelosi, including the iconic Barbara Lee and Maxine Waters.

That leaves Karen Bass. In my judgment, Bass would have been the only credible challenger to Pelosi had she chosen to run. Not because of her gender or her race but because she was the only potential challenger who has had a job like this before. Karen Bass served as the 67th Speaker of the California State Assembly from 2008 to 2010, leading the legislature of the largest and most diverse state in the union.

More.. http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2018/11/15/the-only-credible-challenger-to-pelosis-speakership-endorses-nancy-pelosi

Thank You, Celerity

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Response to Celerity (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 07:18 AM

9. And Tim Ryan is using Marcia Fudge as his cover

"See, I'm not against women! I just decided it should be Rep Fudge!"

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