Ocasio-Cortez gets in closed-door fight with veteran lawmaker over climate change

[George II]

By ANTHONY ADRAGNA, JOHN BRESNAHAN and ZACK COLMAN 11/15/2018 05:07 PM EST Updated 11/15/2018 08:11 PM EST

A fight broke out in a closed-door meeting of House Democrats over climate change as a powerful veteran lawmaker fought with freshman star Rep.-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and other members-elect over the creation of a special panel for the issue.

New Jersey Rep. Frank Pallone, incoming chairman of the powerful Energy and Commerce Committee — backed by a number of other committee members — slammed the creation of the new climate panel, according to multiple sources in the room. Pallone argued that his committee and other existing panels within the House could take on the issue aggressively.

But Ocasio-Cortez (N.Y.), Rep.-elect Joe Neguse (Colo.) and some of the other progressive incoming lawmakers fought back, saying they ran on the issue and needed to do it. Ocasio-Cortez earlier this week pushed for a “Green New Deal” as she backed more than 200 young protesters at House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s office.

(more....)

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/15/ocasio-cortez-climate-change-976915

[Stinky The Clown]

1. SMH

[Blue_true]

33. Why? nt

[Hortensis]

67. Lol. Neither Ocasio nor Pallone

is going to win this one. Oh, either or both May find a way to claim one, but isn't going to happen . Good thing since it's clear she is absurdly scrambling for huge new power for herself (!!!) and he's scrambling to hold onto this and keep it as one of his subcommittees.

Pelosi and others intend to reinstate the select climate change panel they had already set up before foolish people turned our nation over to the republicans.

Ocasio's passion is...energetic, but among the many things she needs to learn is that she was not elected to the Republican caucus. I'm getting the impression that she really does not know who we are.

[rainy]

2. Bold new leadership emboldened to no

corporate power or big monied donors. Our future belongs to them!

[Bfd]

3. So it really WAS a protest. Mmm hmmm

[Celerity]

15. no, stop pushing divisive debunked rot

[Bfd]

17. Its not debunked "rot". Protestors & cameras all showed up at the same place.

So with protest signs..it kinda looks like a protest, & it was for attention since cameras were roling.

There is nothing devicive about the truth.

[Celerity]

29. you constantly trying to say she was there to protest against Pelosi is the rot, plus your trying to

smear her as some sort of Farrakhan associate via dodgy RW-style guilt by association tactics. She was there to SUPPORT Pelosi and told the activists that Nancy had their back and they should have hers. She also was NOT the organiser of the event, she briefly spoke to the activists, and certainly didn't stay the whole time.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11435969


AOC didn't organise it and only spoke to them briefly during which she said

“We need to tell her (Speaker Pelosi) that we’ve got her back in showing and pursuing the most progressive energy agenda that this country has even seen. This is about unity. This is about solidarity and the fact that we are going to make a better future for our kids, and we know that she is going to be there with us. That's what this is about."

Link to tweet

1. Something happened at the Capitol Tuesday to reaffirm my long-held view that liberals should stop believing what conservatives say liberals believe.
2. One of the biggest obstacles in the history of American liberalism has been this tendency among liberals to accept as true things liberalism’s enemies say about it and them.
3. Newly elected members of the US Congress arrived for orientation. @Ocasio2018spoke at a sit-in featuring about 200 people outside Nancy Pelosi’s office.
4. The “protest,” as it was called, was organized by an advocacy group aiming to raise awareness about climate change and to advocate for more green-energy jobs.
5. This was manna to Ocasio-Cortez, who made history as the youngest woman ever elected to Congress after unseating US Rep. Joe Crowley, the former No. 3 in the House Democratic leadership.
6. The 29-year-old Latina has been stumping for liberal candidates across the country, making liberal arguments in unapologetically liberal ways. That she spoke with activists demanding action from leading liberals should have come as no surprise to anyone any time anywhere.
7. But then came this bit of disinformation from the spokeswoman of Paul Ryan to Capitol Hill reporters, which set the tone for the entire day: "Huh, well this is unconventional," AshLee Strong wrote in an email. "The incoming speaker is getting protested by one of her freshman."
8. From this point onward, Ocasio-Cortez wasn’t doing what a young dynamic liberal legislator does. No, no, no! She was “protesting” Pelosi!
9. AshLee Strong paved the way for every Capitol Hill reporter to tell a story they had been wanting to tell even though the narrative” was based on a falsehood: that this unruly mob can’t be controlled.
10. This “narrative” drew the ire of liberals who would have otherwise cheered Ocasio-Cortez. It rekindled the battle between the youngs and the olds, between “centrists” and “leftists,” and between “insurgents” and “the establishment.”
11. Worse, it inspired some liberals to trot out the old (often vaguely sexist) nomenclature: Ocasio-Cortez was grandstanding. She was showboating. She was this, that, and whatever. Too many liberals accepted as true what liberalism’s enemies said about it and them.
12. Thing is, when you actually listen to the women, a different picture comes to light. Not only was Ocasio-Cortez doing what young dynamic liberal legislators are supposed to do—bring new energy and new ideas to the table—
13. she was charting her own course while forging alliances with established powers. She created a bridge between an energized under-30 base & the party’s leadership. She’ll likely be an invaluable ally as Pelosi plots a way forward.
14. Few can say they’ve accomplished more on their first day.
15. Bloomberg reported the incident was a challenge to “party unity.” The Times said earlier these renegades may be unwilling to “toe the party line.” Fox’s Laura Ingraham thrilled at the sight of Nancy Pelosi trying to wrangle newly elected “insurgents.”

None of it was true.

16. As is the case when women rise to power, people are eager to project onto them what they want to see, and are not listening to what they are actually saying.
17. Reporters can be trusted to frame politics in conservative terms. That’s what happened. Right-wing media can be trusted to cement the view that the Democrats are “a mob” and risk “overplaying their hand.” That’s what happened. But liberals ought to know better.

18. Here is what Ocasio-Cortez said to activists:

Should Leader Pelosi become the next Speaker of the House, we need to tell her that we’ve got her back in showing and pursuing the most progressive energy agenda that this country has ever seen.
19. Later, to the news media:

AOC: One of the things I admire so much about Leader Pelosi is that she comes from a space of activism and organizing. And so I think that she really appreciates civic engagement. What I’m here to do is to support the folks who are here. …
20. AOC: This is about uplifting the voice and the message of the fact that we need a Green New Deal and we need to get to 100 percent renewables because our lives depend on it. …

***We are here to back [Pelosi] up.***
21. To which, Pelosi said: We are inspired by the energy and activism of the many young activists and advocates leading the way on the climate crisis …
22. Pelosi: We welcome the presence of these activists, and we strongly urge the Capitol Police to allow them to continue to organize and participate in our democracy.
23. Um, yeah, no. This was not a protest, as Republican AshLee Strong said. It was activism. This was not disunity. It was unity.
24. This isn’t the Tea Party. This isn’t a conservative party. It’s a liberal and democratic party. Reporters should cover it as such if only for the purpose of accurately representing reality.
25. But liberals weren’t listening either. They should have been. Instead, they accepted as true what liberalism’s enemies said about it and them.



you keep pushing this false narrative of division

almost all the push back on Pelosi is from the centrist right side of our big tent

not from the more leftist environs



AND yet


you went further and used a tried and true (by the RW) tactic by using dodgy guilt-by-association to try and slur and smear AOC as some Farrakhan associate and/or crony

Same shit that went down with Obama and Jeremiah Wright back in 2008 (both from the RW and the other Democratic candidates)

I am not making this up

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11422900



my reply then stands

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11424504

[Bfd]

31. Thats some rot you've accused me of.

Ignore. BLOCK. Bye

Nothing I've said was a lie.
Nothing.

[Celerity]

36. lol, it's you OWN posts

I made nothing up, you have been all over many AOC threads constantly pushing division through false tropes. Always in such fashion and manner to cast AOC as some pantomime villain. I never see you having a go at the people actually attacking or at least certainly not supporting Nancy Pelosi for speaker, the vast majority of which are from the centrist, rightward side of the big tent, and who are pushing or re-purposing (in less direct terms, couched in CYA hedging) the old Rethug memes that try to paint her as some sort of out of touch San Francisco loony leftist.

[FarPoint]

52. You present a good case.

I myself detest flaimbait.

[DemocracyMouse]

65. Celerity makes a case to support both Ocasio-Cortez AND Pelosi.

I read the entire thing. Here’s what these two wonderful women said at the gathering in front of Pelosi’s office.

Ocasio-Cortez: We support both Pelosi and the creation of a stand alone climate change panel because our children deserve a future.

Pelosi: Ocasio-Cortez and these beautiful protestors have the right idea. Let them have their voices! Protest is enshrined in the Constitution.

There was no conflict between Pelosi and OC. The media, and some Democrats who take RW pundits too seriously, are trying to bait liberals.

Keep the focus on addressing climate change, not dividing Dems. It’s REAL. I froze all night after another freak storm took down multiple power lines in my area. (And I just endured a shredding of my entire electrical system six months ago).

Thank you OC and Pelosi: we need that Climate Change Panel.

People, read the small print! Save your planet (and your democracy).

[George II]

82. So then what was the purpose of the protest/sit-in/demonstration, whatever anyone wants to call it..

....(although the organizers call it a protest)?

[DemocracyMouse]

89. To encourage green policy.

These Green New Deal activists are young and fear they have no future. Can you blame them?

[pwb]

85. Good reply to this bullshit.

[phleshdef]

55. You just had your hiney handed to ya.

[Bfd]

60. Hardly. Read post 45 below. My point is valid.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11438938

Appears the hiney handing wasn't mine.

[Celerity]

69. nope, as you keep falsely trying to frame it as a protest AGAINST Pelosi

even that link itself you post says



and, from the article



By all means keep up the busy bee drone attacks, I am sure there will hundreds (thousands?) of AOC threads over the coming years. All it will do is reinforce all that I said already.

[George II]

81. Where was it said that it was a protest "against" Pelosi? I missed that.

[tonedevil]

88. You are correct...

it was a protest for Pelosi and I was happy to see she appreciated it.

[Celerity]

91. See numerous threads from yesterday, one of which I posted from above

The first one that kicked it all off on here was based on a falsely framed dodgy tweet by hoarse whisperer that took RW shit stir talking points started by Paul Ryan's press secretary AshLee Strong and ran with it. That entire chain of events was debunked in a follow-up tweet I also posted above.

[George II]

45. "AOC didn't organise it" - her chief of staff doesn't agree.

Link to tweet

[Bfd]

48. Exactly. Thank you .

It surely did not all come together at the same moment by accident.

And we as Democrats have a duty & a right to point it out.

[Celerity]

75. they used her document draft as a concrete policy point

and again, they were there NOT to protest AGAINST Pelosi at all, as evidenced by AOC's and Pelosi's own words

I so fail to see why anyone would be against doing as much as possible to combat global warming, and even less do I see any justification for trying to scold and hector young activists who urge this.

Frank Pallone's actions the last couple days show there is a 'go-slow' element in the recesses of certain quarters of the Caucus as a whole.


Finally some history (as to why climate activists are urging this all): The last time this select committee existed (2007-2011) the Chair of the Energy and Commerce Committee, John Dingell (Pallone is now in his position) fought it tooth and nail because his main contributors (auto makers as he was from Michigan, plus energy firms) didn't want it to impact them.

[George II]

84. I think you have the wrong John Dingell. That "fought tooth and nail"....

....against the committee is a myth, or an incorrect accusation.

Good reading, and despite the writer trying to make the point you're claiming, it didn't happen.

https://grist.org/article/dingell/

More good reading about John Dingell (a bit long):

https://thinkprogress.org/john-dingell-retiring-from-congress-fought-for-environmental-causes-since-before-carbon-was-measured-907288268207/

Dingell has contributed greatly to environmental and climate causes throughout his career in Congress, which commenced a year before Charles David Keeling started measuring carbon dioxide concentrations from the Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii in 1956 — leading to some of the first evidence of the rapidly increasing greenhouse gas emissions in the atmosphere contributing to climate change, and all ensuing efforts to mitigate the impacts by reducing GHGs.

Upon Obama’s announcement of his Climate Action Plan last summer, Dingell said “It has been my belief that broad efforts to combat climate change and protect our environment are badly needed.” However he expressed disappointment with Congress’s inability to act on the matter, calling it “a sad commentary on the dysfunction of our country’s legislative branch, particularly the House of Representatives,” and further stating that it’s time “Congress acts on its mandate and works with the President in a common sense, bipartisan manner to protect our air, land, and water.”

During his time in Congress, Dingell successfully pursued a number of important measures protecting the country’s environment and natural resources. Here is a list of some of those major accomplishments:

- He was an architect of the 1972 Clean Water Act, which has helped protect waterways from pollution for more than 40 years.
- He authored the 1973 Endangered Species Act, which made America the first country in the world to condemn human-caused extinction of other species as illegal. It has since been credited with saving hundreds of plants and animals from the brink of extinction.
- He wrote the National Environmental Policy Act, known as NEPA, which requires federal agencies to consider the environmental consequences of developmental projects before they are built. The legislation has been emulated by many other countries, and it sometimes referred to as “Magna Carta” of environmental law.
- He helped establish the first international wildlife refuge in North America, the Detroit International Wildlife Refuge. One of his proudest achievements, the refuge has been protecting and conserving habitat for over 60 kinds of fish and 300 species of migratory birds since 2001.
- He worked to help craft the 1990 Clean Air Act, although he was at times accused of stalling for the benefit of the auto industry.
- He played a major role in the Marine Mammal Protection Act. The MMPA uses an ecosystem approach to natural resource management and conservation, and prohibits the taking of marine mammals.
- He was one of the first elected politicians to openly support a carbon tax or fee to mitigate climate change, and in 2007 he even proposed his own bill. However, many doubted his intentions, arguing that the bill made the cost seem insurmountable to consumers by including things like a $0.50 gas tax.
- He played integral roles in many other important energy and environmental bills, such as the Safe Drinking Water Act Amendments 1986 and 1996, Pollution Prevention Act 1990, Energy Policy Act of 1992, National Energy Conservation Policy Act of 1978 and Energy Policy and Conservation Act of 1975. For a more in-depth list of his environmental record visit his Congressional website’s energy and environmental page.

“Thirty-five years ago, the United States had virtually no laws in place to protect the environment,” Dingell said in the recent past. “Private individuals, industry and governments could burn into the air, pump into the water, or dump onto the ground virtually anything — with impunity. Some of my proudest achievements during my service in Congress are having played a part in writing some landmark environmental protection statutes.”

[Celerity]

90. Nope

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17537584/ns/us_news-environment/t/house-approves-warming-committee/

Snip

The Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming, advanced by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the top Democrat, was approved on a vote of 269-150. A majority of Republicans voted against it, arguing that the committee was unnecessary or that its budget could be used better by the ethics committee.

"Global warming may be the greatest challenge of our time, setting at risk our economy, environment and national security," Pelosi said in a statement. With the new committee, "the House is giving these issues the high visibility they deserve."

The committee, comprising nine Democrats and six Republicans, will be chaired by Democratic Rep. Edward Markey. It will hold hearings and recommend legislation but in a concession to existing committees will not write legislation and will exist for only two years.

Pelosi's Jan. 18 announcement that she wanted a special climate change committee ran into quick resistance from House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman John Dingell, a Democrat whose district is in Michigan, the heart of the U.S. automobile industry. He saw the new alignment as an infringement on his panel's responsibilities.

[George II]

92. Even that article doesn't make the connection (although it vaguely inferred it, incorrectly)....

....between his resistance to the committee because it would impact the automobile and energy industries.

He stated his reason for resisting it, but obviously he didn't fight "tooth and nail" against it - you left this out:

In early February Dingell, the most senior Democrat in the House, and Pelosi agreed on the scope of the new panel and avoided what could have been an embarrassing floor fight.

[Celerity]

93. he wasnt satisfied until Pelosi agreed to somewhat neuter it, which is now carrying over to this

present go round. I am not saying Dingell was was some bad actor at the core at all. I apologise if it came off like that.

[questionseverything]

71. ty for that well thought out presentation

I don't understand why posters such as you replied to are trying to smear this young, energetic woman

[bhikkhu]

110. Excellent breakdown of the thing

Not so concerned about "what the other poster said", except that if someone says something that's off, and it inspires a vigorous and thorough discussion of the actual facts and circumstances - that's why I find this place an excellent resource for news, and why I enjoy reading here. Thanks, Celerity!

[tonedevil]

63. Yes it was a protest...

and Nancy Pelosi was in hearty approval. I wouldn't want to be Rep. Frank Pallone with such vocal opposition to something the soon to be Speaker of the House is very clearly in favor of. He seems kind of big for his britches maybe the Speaker can take him down a peg or two.

[Caliman73]

80. That is irrelevant to the post.

Pallone and another representative have actually been at odds with Pelosi on reinstating the Select Committee on Climate change. Pelosi said it should be brought back and the two have been upset by that because they believe that their committees already address the issue. The problem is that Pallone for sure, and I am not sure about the other Rep. have received money from the fossil fuel industry.

Ocassio-Cortez may be coming in too hot, but she is actually with Nancy Pelosi on this issue and it is looking like Climate change is going to be her signature issue like women's rights has been Gilibrand's in the Senate, like Banking Reform is Elizabeth Warren's.

[manor321]

4. Check her tweets. I thought she denied this.

[Wounded Bear]

6. Yeah, Politico isn't the most trustworthy source...

and news tends to get sensationalized for ratings and clicks.

I'm all in with letting things settle out.

[Mariana]

40. Oh, who cares if it's a trustworthy source?

Certainly not the OP.

[Baitball Blogger]

5. I agree with Ocasio.

Jesus. Our world is imploding and we don't have a special committee? Seriously?

[libdem4life]

7. Well, they are right. You can't stop a train barreling down the tracks with a wave howdy.

Takes another train and there might be a collision.

Just like McConnell saying we don't need a law to protect Special Counsel. Don't worry. out of our superior wisdom and magnanimity, we'll protect it in our own good time. Not.

Climate change is already costing us hugely. I'm just glad we have those willing to do real battle...not campaign slogans...to protect our globe/humanity.

And anyone who does not see that, and understand that the natural course of politics to grind ever so slowly to a halt before it can even begin to reverse course, well...hasn't read the mountain of non-political, scientific literature. It is urgent.

[NurseJackie]

8. Lord.

[Bfd]

10. Where was her concern when the Repubs were gutting the EV?

I don't recall seeing her confronting the Repub offices.
Maybe I missed it.

[SaschaHM]

9. The fuck? Republicans had a special comittee for investigating the President.

We can have a committee on Climate Change, regardless of how redundant it may be. Hell, with the amount of new members that we have and the generation gaps in the party leadership, various new panels/committees would be a way of training new democratic leaders.

[MineralMan]

11. Jumping in with both feet, I see.

It's going to be an interesting Congress, I believe.

[KayF]

34. and Politico's imagination will make it even more interesting! n/t

[Separation]

68. Yea, I've seen articles from Politico

That were just down downright out lies. It pertained to a poll and it was showing the Democrat running in a dire position. Yet when I went to the source and looked at the poll, it was blatantly obvious what they were trying to do.

[Kaleva]

12. Nancy Pelosi supports the creation of such a panel.

""I have recommended to my House Democratic colleagues that we reinstate the select committee to address the climate crisis," Pelosi, who represents a district in California, said in a statement. "House Democrats ran on and won on our bold campaign for a $1 trillion investment in our infrastructure that will make our communities more resilient to the climate crisis, while creating 16 million new good-paying jobs across the country.""

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2018/11/13/Pelosi-supports-committee-on-climate-change-after-protest-at-her-Capitol-office/8901542132414/

[George II]

14. Headline is misleading. She had already said she supported it last week, BEFORE (not after)...

....the protest.

[Autumn]

19. She also said it after the protest so it's not as misleading as you say. Note the date

Nov. 13 (UPI) -- House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi recommended reinstating a House panel on climate change after hundreds of activists, including Rep.-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, demonstrated outside her office Tuesday.

Pelosi said she was inspired by the "young activists and advocates" who protested at the Cannon House Office Building, calling for Democratic leaders to outline a clear plan to decisively act against climate change.

"I have recommended to my House Democratic colleagues that we reinstate the select committee to address the climate crisis," Pelosi, who represents a district in California, said in a statement. "House Democrats ran on and won on our bold campaign for a $1 trillion investment in our infrastructure that will make our communities more resilient to the climate crisis, while creating 16 million new good-paying jobs across the country."

A confirmation happily given by Nancy Pelosi that went beyond mentioning to action. She was very graceful and wise to give recognition to the "young activists and advocates" who inspired her, and the rest of us.

[George II]

37. Here is the headline:

"Pelosi supports committee on climate change after protest at her Capitol office"

Which indicates that AFTER the protest she supports the committee, which is false. In the article she's reiterating what she said last week. She didn't decide to support the committee "after protest at her Capitol office", which is why the headline is misleading.

Next.....

[Autumn]

41. AFTER the protest Nancy Pelosi did support it in the interview. It's in your own link.

I would say Next..... or Your turn... but I'm not interested in continuing in this nonsense. By the way, politico has added that AOC says it didn't happen .

“I never even [had] a direct interaction with him today,” she tweeted, “and by direct interaction, I mean I didn’t share a conversation. I did say hello and he is very kind.”

Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff, Saikat Chakrabarti, was not in the meeting but said he heard it included "a pretty lively discussion" of climate change. Chakrabarti said Pelosi's office has been in touch about how to "merge" some of Ocasio-Cortez's proposals into the plan for the new committee.

It makes one wonder why with several people in the meeting republicans single out her as getting in closed-door fight with veteran lawmaker over climate change. Must be fear. I'm happy Nancy is taking notice and responding in a positive manner.

[George II]

44. You're rewriting the headline. Bye!

[Autumn]

49. No, simply pointing out the facts, AOC denies she got in closed-door fight

It was a lively meeting and she wasn't the only one there. It's a shame Political and other people run with this. I'm pretty sure she wouldn't be stupid enough to lie if others there can say she did do it.

“I never even [had] a direct interaction with him today,” she tweeted, “and by direct interaction, I mean I didn’t share a conversation. I did say hello and he is very kind.”

[bigtree]

51. this is already widely regarded as a Politico smear

...the only question is why George II believes this is appropriate to post here.

It's another in a long string of threads with attacks on AOC by the op. I think we deserve some honesty from the poster about why he believes this is appropriate.

[Autumn]

57. Because it's allowed to be posted. It doesn't have to be true, it just has to

be put out there.

[bigtree]

20. but she supports it

...so, presumably, the Speaker favors Rep. Cortez's position, not Pallone's.

Why is this a news item? Rep. Cortez isn't the only member looking to advance an initiative she campaigned on. There are myriad such debates going on in Congress right now, with an understandable tension between incoming and outgoing members.

What I don't understand is why Rep. Cortez's disagreement with her colleague is being singled out for criticism as if it's something foreign to Congress. It isn't, and this is just inane to focus on it.

I think we're all tired of people fanning faux flames, here and everywhere else.


Besides, Rep. Cortez is denying there was even an encounter.

Link to tweet

You need to delete this thread.

[Autumn]

28. I loved how she said "I did say hello and he is very kind!"

[Kaleva]

47. So who do you support on this? Nancy or Frank Pallone?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

56. .

[R B Garr]

13. I wonder what kind of anti-Democrat conspiracies Jimmy Dore

can come up with about this.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

23. Why bother with Jimmy Dore when have them right here in this thread?

[R B Garr]

25. Jimmy Dore is referred to as an "American Comedian",

which would explain a lot.

[Celerity]

16. this has been debunked, some entities sure want us at each other throats

Link to tweet

[R B Garr]

18. Jimmy Dore and TYT sure don't mind spreading conspiracies

either. Why would anyone associate with them.

[Celerity]

21. I didn't see their name mentioned anywhere in this report

Why would they want to falsely cast AOC and other progressives in a bad light in regards to global climate change?

[R B Garr]

24. I'm just curious why anyone would associate with them

at all. Why would someone give interviews to conspiracy theorists.

[Eliot Rosewater]

27. I wish I hadnt been right when I predicted all this, which I did, a long time ago.

[R B Garr]

30. Yes. nt

[Eliot Rosewater]

62. ...

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/2?ui=2&ik=85a80f6c69&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-f:1617312933292262331&th=1671d98b3f87c3bb&view=fimg&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ9Pe4d35PbAo4U_N2-eCdC-N7DjPlnW3aV4F9lgPyD3LmsiyuOJId75PXR4NLS5Wnk4yvPrKMXZVf68iXeubqU1_ZQOdbkqcDnrm-8DU5I6JrM0Jeif18ZGJGU&disp=emb

[Small-Axe]

22. I'm doing by best Arnold Horshack impression here at home.

[R B Garr]

42. lol

[Autumn]

26. Gosh. I wonder who gave the lie to Politico for them to run with it?

I stopped reading after the one tweet that said

Hey Ocasio-Cortez chick. Know your role and shut your mouth

Disgusting, the sentiment is vaguely familiar and Republicanish. .

[Hassin Bin Sober]

43. I think AOC would want to give these people who are so hurt a big hug. Somebody hurt them...

[Autumn]

50. She would, she's that type of person. As for myself I'm not.

The lies and innuendos are disgusting.

[Celerity]

104. ihihih

[R B Garr]

46. Speaking of "Republicanish", TYT is founded by an ex-Republican,

Cenk Uyger. Lots of vaguely familiar things there...

[Autumn]

70. Oh no! Are they behind this?????? OMG OMG OMG

oh wait, the OP is bullshit from Politico Nah, I'll stick with Republicans, not an ex-Republican pushing this bullshit. A strong, smart Latina woman scares them. That's why Republicans are upset that she doesn't know her place, they just can't get her to sit down and shut up. Sucks to be them though, because all the innuendos and ad hominem fallacies in the world aren't going to change the fact that she's here, in our party,in our Congress and she's not doing to shut up and sit down.

[R B Garr]

74. People who believe ex-Republicans who are funded

by Republicans might not be believable, though, and Im not talking about the gullible types who believe that anti-Democrat propaganda is “helpful”.

Sorry, but I saw her Instagram video that was posted here when she was making a Instant Pot MAC N Cheese, and someone asked her, “CNN of TYT” and she answered TYT. That just had me wondering why such an anti-Democratic propaganda outlet would be viable for her. Just a thought about who would validate and listen to conspiracies. There’s a reason TYT is not mainstream news.

[Autumn]

77. Oh is Rep Cortez an ex republican?? You should ask her if you are that bothered by it.

I watched Fox news for a couple of months but that was years ago and I quit and haven't seen it since. And then there was that time when I liked Bewitched but that changed with the new Darrin. That being said your TYT didn't write the bullshit in the OP, Politico did.

[R B Garr]

78. It's just ironic to see people bent out of shape about

Politico then listening to TYT ex-Republicans complain about previously elected Democrats. Huge irony there.

[Autumn]

79. Irony? How strange. Seems more like confusion. I don't watch pod casts for news, none of them

and AOC isn't the one complaining about Politico writing bullshit hit pieces and debunked lies about Democrats that have no place on Democratic sites. So other than your obsession with AOC saying she liked TYT over CNN what's your point? Do you really dislike her so much for that?

[R B Garr]

97. Your emotionalism over a simple observation of irony

shows *your* obsession...? One does not have to like or dislike someone to notice discrepancies.

[Autumn]

100. *My obsession* ? I'm not the one going on about the dreaded Young Turks.

Since they seem to be your topic today I've said all I have to say about them and it's become boring .

[R B Garr]

102. Look at post 21 which completely mischaracterized my

comment to be anti-global warming policy LOL. Then look at the further heaped/on confusion and it’s clear who is “going on”.

[Celerity]

94. you are engaging with a classic distraction tactic

a person inserts a completely non-germane topic (TYT has zero to do with this OP subject) and uses that to slowly twist the entire thread and get you to play defence over something that is utterly irrelevant to the topic and at hand.

Its the same thing that the poster I took issue with did as well on another thread. That poster (not the one you are engaged with now) then went a step further and used TYT/Justice democrats endorsement (one of dozens she got) to infer she was a Farrakhan crony.

It all boils down to which direction our Party goes, however slight a change may be. AOC has been given mythical powers by both friend and foe, and is a bone of contentiousness and an empty vessel that many sides will try to fill with whatever projection they deem fit to fit their political worldview.

I am hardly some rabid socialist, I do not support Bernie Sanders making another run at ALL, but the last couple days I have seen AOC just take some really false and brutal shots. It has sorta set me off here on a defend AOC tangent, lolol.

I have many things in common with her (we are both young, female, PoC, ambitious (trust me I want NO part of politics though!), driven, and we both have lived (I for only 2 years) in New York. I think she is a great asset for our party and almost all of my friends and acquaintances that I talk to in my age bracket (I am 22, soon 23, so lets say the 16 to 30yo crowd) are super excited by her. She certainly (so far) fills me with great hope for the future of our party.

[Autumn]

98. I'm an old Latina and I'm very proud of that young woman. You are young and new

here, welcome. I understand your defense of her, I feel defensive myself. you're right AOC gets hit with a lot by some folks. Sooner or later that will stop. As for playing defense, not at all just refusing to play follow the bouncing ball game.

[Celerity]

99. Thanks for the kind words, and I am sure you are very young at heart!

[R B Garr]

101. Now look at your diversion, lol. That's quite a distraction

there, it looks so clinical, as if you are trying to shut people up from wondering why there is an ex-Republican media figure who is funded by a Republican being touted for any reason.

Complaining about Politico seems a bit odd under those circumstances.

[Celerity]

103. I prefer to call it an intervention

[R B Garr]

107. Then it's about you, since your post 21 did exactly

what you describe. You inserted your own agenda into my post. LOL, @ your projection

[Small-Axe]

58. Why are you slandering good Democrats with this BS?

[Autumn]

59. What the fuck, slander? Are you saying a Democrat tweeted that to AOC?

Hey Ocasio-Cortez chick. Know your role and shut your mouth

I don't know of a Democrat who would have tweeted that shit.

[Celerity]

106. I think you might just have

[R B Garr]

108. Your post 21 shows pretty clearly you lost it yourself.

This opposite world gets old.

[Celerity]

111. lol, keep flogging that dead horse

again your are injecting completely non germane issues into yet another interaction

[R B Garr]

112. Your ridiculous attempt to pretend that my post was about AOC

or me or anyone else you conjured up being against climate change policy was pure “flogging”. Your projection is laughable.

[KayF]

32. this is a terrible news story

Politico clearly has an agenda.

[bigtree]

35. delete this thread

...the congresswoman denied this Politico smear.

It's disgusting to see it still standing here. It's just a Politico attempt to stoke divisions (or the appearance of divisions) among Democrats. This post is helping them do just that here.

[KPN]

38. Shit stirring Politico again.

Why are we enabling this?

[Mariana]

53. Only a few are enabling it, rather predictably. nt.

[tonedevil]

39. From reading the article...

I see that Politico has produced a misleading headline, quelle surprise. It seems likely Congressperson-elect Ocasio-Cortez and Rep. Frank Pallone didn't even speak directly although they do have opposing stances on the formation of a new select committee on climate change. That said, I am quite on the side of Ocasio-Cortez and think that Pallone is on the wrong side of history. Since Leader Pelosi has already been working toward making that committee happen I suspect that Pallone is the one who will be disappointed in this contest.

[Power 2 the People]

54. +1

[coconut22]

61. I voted for change...

And it seems to me some of the oldies want to continue down that same old road.I hear the during the years claiming to be for one thing or another until they win then I start hearing all of this Bull! About what we can't do it w we can't be like them while getting their assets kicked. McConnell doesn't give a fan he says Fuck you! No we don't have to be like them but we need to kick

[SixString]

64. The centrists don't want progressives undoing ...

all of their hard work of moving the party to the right.
It took them three decades to get us here. Hence all the progressive bashing you see.

[coconut22]

66. Exactly..

[melman]

72. That is exactly it

[questionseverything]

73. me thinks u hit the nail on the head there

also want to support autumn and big for trying to get the TRUTH out there

[SixString]

76. +1 for Autumn and Big.

They have more patience than I do.
I'm glad they're here fighting the good fight and keeping it real.

[stuffmatters]

109. bingo

[pwb]

83. Your on a mission here George.

Along with a few friends who join in every time. It's old now. Democrats love this young lady and you need to realize that. Your being played by the right.

[George II]

86. Um, I think you're wrong. Perhaps people are being played by the right, but certainly not me.

[pwb]

87. This will be my last reply because I hate kicking this democrat bashing shit.

You jump in every post bashing this young lady. She has not cast a single vote or spoke on the floor once yet you still feel you know all about her. Putin loves this division. We don't .

[Small-Axe]

96. You charges are really outrageous.

And you don't speak for this Democrat.

[Eric J in MN]

95. She tweeted this is false. She had no interaction with him that day. NT

NT

[guillaumeb]

105. Is Ocasio-Cortez taking the place of Bernie Sanders?

And she has not even taken the oath.