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Here's Sarah's much-anticipated hissy fit over restoring Acosta's press pass. (Original Post) Miles Archer Nov 2018 OP
Trump nominated judge at that underpants Nov 2018 #1
I don't see how any judge could have ruled any other way. Not only on the grounds of the first still_one Nov 2018 #14
If you insist on decorum...everyone w the last name trump exit the building. Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #2
Decorum in the White House.... AJT Nov 2018 #3
I wasn't able to read any further -- I had fallen off my chair laughing. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Nov 2018 #20
Decorum, she says! Talk to the Baby-in-Chief about that one Maeve Nov 2018 #4
"Decorum" starts at the top. n/t Raven Nov 2018 #5
She Also Needs To Look In The Mirror ProfessorGAC Nov 2018 #7
uh, no, i don't think he did: unblock Nov 2018 #6
Follow-up tweet from Jordan Fabian: Miles Archer Nov 2018 #13
the white house statement is comical, as usual. we won, but we'll give him a pass anyway. unblock Nov 2018 #16
So, is Sarah Three Names in charge of Christmas "Decorums" MineralMan Nov 2018 #8
Hey Hucklenuts, how about this 'rule and process'.... C_U_L8R Nov 2018 #9
It wasn't to evade Acosta's questions maxsolomon Nov 2018 #24
What a blunder C_U_L8R Nov 2018 #28
not sure if it was yet maxsolomon Nov 2018 #30
Trump whitehouse tweets are like bizarro superman jcgoldie Nov 2018 #10
Decorum in the WH??? sheshe2 Nov 2018 #11
NO FIGHTING IN THE WAR ROOM!!! winstars Nov 2018 #21
Decorum also means not having staff grabbing microphones R B Garr Nov 2018 #12
Decorum- in this White House malaise Nov 2018 #15
What does "decorum" mean? gratuitous Nov 2018 #17
Preach it Sarah -- the only way you can! TheBlackAdder Nov 2018 #18
Uh - that's NOT what the judge said leftynyc Nov 2018 #19
So now Hucksterbee is a constitutional lawyer??? llmart Nov 2018 #22
In Trump's and Huckabee Sanders' dictionary Golden Raisin Nov 2018 #23
One: The decision was not made on the merits - Ms. Toad Nov 2018 #25
trump lost and she is upset Gothmog Nov 2018 #26
Actually, the court didn't make anything clear and the judge pretty much told her Vinca Nov 2018 #27
"... decorum ... " HA! :-D NurseJackie Nov 2018 #29

still_one

(92,131 posts)
14. I don't see how any judge could have ruled any other way. Not only on the grounds of the first
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 12:55 PM
Nov 2018

amendment, but the arbitrary nature of it



unblock

(52,196 posts)
6. uh, no, i don't think he did:
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 12:50 PM
Nov 2018

i rather doubt that anyone was asserting an "absolute" first amendment right to access to the white house, but in any event, the judge has yet to opine on the first amendment question:


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/11/16/cnn-white-house-credential-court-case/2023035002/

But Kelly said he hasn’t considered at all yet whether the White House violated Acosta’s First Amendment rights. More arguments are expected Tuesday.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
13. Follow-up tweet from Jordan Fabian:
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 12:55 PM
Nov 2018
Jordan Fabian
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Verified account

@Jordanfabian

In reality, Judge Kelly did not make a final ruling on whether Acosta's First Amendment rights were violated in this case.

9:52 AM - 16 Nov 2018


unblock

(52,196 posts)
16. the white house statement is comical, as usual. we won, but we'll give him a pass anyway.
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 12:58 PM
Nov 2018

not only did they not win on first amendment arguments (no decision yet), they lost on fifth amendment issues, which of course the statement completely ignores.

they make it look like they're being good guys and giving acosta his pass back out of the kindness of their hearts (ha!), when in fact they're doing it in response to a direct court order.

C_U_L8R

(44,997 posts)
9. Hey Hucklenuts, how about this 'rule and process'....
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 12:52 PM
Nov 2018

don't yank microphones out of reporters' hands in a feeble attempt to evade questions you don't like !!!

maxsolomon

(33,310 posts)
24. It wasn't to evade Acosta's questions
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 01:40 PM
Nov 2018

The entire charade was planned, down to the stomping and scowling and the specific woman sent to try to take the microphone from Acosta. Trump was making TV.

It was a set-up so they could pull his pass, intimidate the remainder of the WHPC, and titillate the Trumpanzees.

maxsolomon

(33,310 posts)
30. not sure if it was yet
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 03:28 PM
Nov 2018

he's "working the refs" constantly. always complaining, always wheedling, always whinging. he gets his way because people get sick of dealing with him, like with a stubborn child.

remember, he went over a year without a real press conference, then did a lot of driveway/tarmac availabilities on the run up to the election. then this big fight in a formal presser, then nothing since except interviews with friendly media. he'll come out and fight with the legitimate press in a year or so when he ramps up his run for re-election.

will the press in general then adopt a less adversarial tone when questioning his ignorant ass? will he ever call on Acosta again? TBD.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
10. Trump whitehouse tweets are like bizarro superman
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 12:53 PM
Nov 2018

They always are exactly the opposite of reality. Wasn't today's ruling specifically to protect 1st amendment rights to WH access?

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
12. Decorum also means not having staff grabbing microphones
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 12:55 PM
Nov 2018

and a President not calling people liars for asking questions. Stuff like that,

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
17. What does "decorum" mean?
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 01:00 PM
Nov 2018

Will President Trump actually answer questions instead of calling any question he doesn't like "stupid"? I know that Sarah Sanders doesn't talk about a lot of stuff with the president, so she's rarely in a position to answer any questions, but maybe she could get back to the media on this one point?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
19. Uh - that's NOT what the judge said
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 01:06 PM
Nov 2018

He said he was making NO ruling on the first amendment grounds. That's for later. This putrid administration can't tell the truth about ANYTHING.

Ms. Toad

(34,060 posts)
25. One: The decision was not made on the merits -
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 02:08 PM
Nov 2018

As injunctive relief, the decision was based on a likelihood of success on the merits, which will be decided down the road.

The court did not even rule on whether CNN/Acosta was likely to succeed on the 1st amendment merits, because it was so clear he would prevail on 5th amendment grounds.

Due process is a much easier call. CNN/Acosta had a property right in the pass - and revoking it impacted a first amendment right. That's a pretty easy case to make, since they provided CNN/Acosta no process at all prior to terminating the interest.

Disorder in the press conference (to the extent there was disorder) has nothing to do with due process.

Vinca

(50,261 posts)
27. Actually, the court didn't make anything clear and the judge pretty much told her
Fri Nov 16, 2018, 02:45 PM
Nov 2018

to drop the case because it was likely she'd lose.

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