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Fri Nov 16, 2018, 02:31 PM

Trump advisers growing alarmed as president keeps asking about Pence's loyalty: New York TimesPresid

President Donald Trump has been asking in “one conversation after another” if his vice president, Mike Pence, is loyal to him, according to sources who spoke to the New York Times.

The subject has reportedly been brought up so many times that some of his advisers are starting to grow alarmed.

Some people close to the president believe that Trump’s questions about Pence’s loyalty are “a proxy for asking about whether the vice president’s chief of staff… is trustworthy,” the New York Times reported.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/11/trump-advisers-growing-alarmed-presidents-keeps-asking-pences-loyalty-new-york-times/?comments=disqus

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Reply Trump advisers growing alarmed as president keeps asking about Pence's loyalty: New York TimesPresid (Original post)
Fullduplexxx Nov 2018 OP
Gothmog Nov 2018 #1
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2018 #35
PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2018 #2
Fullduplexxx Nov 2018 #4
DeminPennswoods Nov 2018 #22
dalton99a Nov 2018 #3
Vinca Nov 2018 #5
Fullduplexxx Nov 2018 #7
CrispyQ Nov 2018 #15
StatGirl Nov 2018 #19
Girard442 Nov 2018 #6
GusBob Nov 2018 #8
Fullduplexxx Nov 2018 #10
GusBob Nov 2018 #14
smirkymonkey Nov 2018 #13
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2018 #36
exboyfil Nov 2018 #9
vlyons Nov 2018 #11
octoberlib Nov 2018 #12
Siwsan Nov 2018 #16
Jarqui Nov 2018 #17
Fullduplexxx Nov 2018 #18
Jarqui Nov 2018 #21
MineralMan Nov 2018 #20
DeminPennswoods Nov 2018 #24
MineralMan Nov 2018 #26
DeminPennswoods Nov 2018 #27
COLGATE4 Nov 2018 #29
MineralMan Nov 2018 #32
COLGATE4 Nov 2018 #33
DeminPennswoods Nov 2018 #25
Bayard Nov 2018 #23
COLGATE4 Nov 2018 #28
AlexSFCA Nov 2018 #30
Garrett78 Nov 2018 #31
kimbutgar Nov 2018 #34
jpak Nov 2018 #37
Dirty Socialist Nov 2018 #38
eleny Nov 2018 #39

Response to Fullduplexxx (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 02:34 PM

1. The concept of projection comes into play

trump is loyal to no one and so cannot imagine someone being loyal to him

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 04:12 PM

35. I have never heard projection occur in the quantities Trump does it.,



Very frequent/obvious in his tweets.
Quite common in his rallies, and obviously at the WH.

Does serve as a mirror into his psyche, however.

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 02:35 PM

2. I bet Trump thinks he can fire Pence,

or make him resign. Another example of how he simply doesn't understand how our system works.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 02:36 PM

4. Wouldnt be surprising . Trump thinks he can amend the constitution with an e.o.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 03:07 PM

22. If he boots Pence, it will be yet another Watergate parallel

nt

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 02:36 PM

3. Donald: Mike Pence is out of the country. Fire his ass. NOW!

Just do it.

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 02:36 PM

5. He's really getting paranoid. If I had to place a bet on the person around Trump most likely to

actually kiss his orange ass, I'd pick Pence. Pence is like the most obedient, loyal dog without the personality.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 02:40 PM

7. He trusts no one and turns on everyone and so that is what he believes in in others

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Response to Vinca (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 02:49 PM

15. LOL on your last sentence.



And so true! Remember that time the Con put his water bottle on the floor & Pence followed suit. It was weird.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 03:05 PM

19. I disagree.

Pence behaves like the most loyal of golden retrievers, but he is just biding his time. He probably thought he would be president way before now.

As for the matter of pardoning Trump, Pence is smart enough to look at what happened to Jerry Ford and consider it a losing strategy.

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 02:38 PM

6. Donnie, if you're asking the question, you already know the answer.

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 02:41 PM

8. This is not about impeachment

This is the need for a pardon

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Response to GusBob (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 02:45 PM

10. He's looking for his jerry ford

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 02:47 PM

14. Yep prison suit orange would really clash with his hair

He fears jail

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Response to GusBob (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 02:47 PM

13. I think you are right.

He wants to know if Pence will pardon him if it all goes to hell very soon, and it looks like that is the way it's heading.

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Response to GusBob (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 04:19 PM

36. Too bad a Pres. can only pardon for Federal charges.


New York state charges, not so much.

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 02:44 PM

9. He walked into the Oval Office and saw Pence

measuring the windows for new - non-gold curtains.

Pence, like Agnew and Nixon, is Trump's best guarantee that he won't be thrown out of office.

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 02:46 PM

11. He's too stupid to know

that he can simply sideline Pence the way FDR side-lined Truman and John Nance Garner, who famously said that the Vice Presidency "wasn't worth a bucket of warm piss." I'll bet Trump doesn't even know who John Nance Garner was.

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 02:47 PM

12. The article also says that Trump is considering dropping Pence from the ticket in 2020.

I'm in the minority but I still don't think Trump's gonna run.

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 02:51 PM

16. I sense a new movie coming out: "The Pence Mutiny"

But instead of strawberries missing, it will be Starburst candy.

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 02:53 PM

17. Because Pence is elected, Trump can't do anything about him anyway

Like Trump, Pence cannot be fired. He can only be impeached or resign.

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #17)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 03:00 PM

18. Yea someone he cant fire .. i imagine trump would just start condemning pence at trump's'

Rallies. Get his mob to go after pence

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 03:07 PM

21. But he'll run into the same problem we have with Trump:

Impeachment is the only way if he won't resign

Right now, if the public were asked which they would impeach, Trump or Pence, I have to believe that is one of the few votes Trump would win handily.

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 03:06 PM

20. What he's worried about is whether Pence will pardon him.

That's his concern. Pence, a dedicated Dominionist, has wet dreams about becoming President. Seriously. He pretends to support Trump, but might well defect if Trump needs a pardon. See, that wouldn't be prudent for a recently upgraded President. It might interfere with his other plans for the nation.

Trump suspects that there are big, big problems for him just down the road, and realizes that he may have to resign and face prosecution. He wants assurance that a pardon is waiting for him.

The trouble for Trump is this: HE CAN'T FIRE PENCE! Big problem. Insurmountable problem, really.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #20)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 03:10 PM

24. He CAN turn his lackey Whitaker, now head of DoJ,

on to start investigating Pence. I'm sure Pence has done something criminal sometime in his past.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #24)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 03:14 PM

26. Actually, I'll bet Pence hasn't done anything criminal.

He is such a nebbish. He keeps himself on the straight and narrow, with the help of "mother." He's a sleeper agent of the Dominionist movement, which has been trying to gain power for a very long time. They have planted people in high positions throughout the federal government and are just biding their time until one of their own becomes President.

Pence is their "white" hope. Trump is a sacrificial animal, as far as the Dominionists are concerned. When the time is right, he'll be out and Pence will be in. That will be a very, very dangerous time for this country, I guarantee.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #26)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 03:15 PM

27. There's always something shady in any Republican's past

is mho.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #26)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 03:24 PM

29. Not only a nebbish but also a nudnik.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 03:30 PM

32. As well as a putz, a schmuck and a schlemiel.

There are many wonderful Yiddish words to describe Pence.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 03:33 PM

33. not to mention schlemazel

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 03:09 PM

23. Maybe he's worried Pence will testify against him

If Pence is given immunity.

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 03:21 PM

28. He's not only a raging narcissist - he's a fucking paranoid nt

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 03:24 PM

30. w/o pence, pelosi is next in line, lol

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 03:28 PM

31. Time to start a rumor that Pence and Whitaker authored the infamous op-ed. With Putin's permission.

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 03:52 PM

34. Paranoia will destroy ya

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 04:22 PM

37. Please dump Pence!

Please!

Evangelicals will repay you - handsomely - in 2020.

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 04:25 PM

38. "I've been betrayed"

-AH

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 04:31 PM

39. The other day it seemed to me like he'd choose a different running mate in 2020...

...since Manafort was the one who urged Trump to select Pence for veep. And now Manafort is singing.

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