Looks like one of those Dems who signed on to oppose Pelosi isn't going to DC after all.

[Drunken Irishman]

Ben McAdams looks like he's going down to Mia Love. He had been leading and it looked like he'd pull it out but the outstanding votes put Love ahead. McAdams had signed on in opposition to Pelosi as Speaker earlier this week. Oops.

[Eliot Rosewater]

1. Bummer, MATH MATH MATH, I want NUMBERS.

What is Mia Love smoking, anyway.

How can she be a con?

[octoberlib]

11. She was up 491 were the last numbers I saw on Twitter.

[spooky3]

2. Is the vote counting finished? Nt

[Drunken Irishman]

3. No but all that is left are provisional ballots.

I am not sure there's enough to put McAdams over Love.

[spooky3]

4. Ok, thx nt

[Kaleva]

12. Thousands of those yet.

[Drunken Irishman]

13. Most provisional ballots are never counted.

[Bradshaw3]

5. This isn't good news

[Drunken Irishman]

8. Not great news but nothing I can do about it.

McAdams was a typical Utah Democratic candidate - boring, white, Mormon.

[Bradshaw3]

20. Oops, he won

[UncleTomsEvilBrother]

6. I'm still rooting for this DEM, but...

...it's going to be interesting to see how Love votes and responds to Trump after Trump kicked her while she was supposedly down.

[shanny]

7. I'm SURE that McAdams' opposition to Pelosi

was THE deciding factor in blood-red Utah.




If it wasn't, what is the point of this OP?

[Drunken Irishman]

9. The deciding factor is that the district has been gerrymandered to death...

But also he was a weaker candidate than we need to unseat an incumbent.

[shanny]

10. Gerrymandered to death in Utah?

It'd have to be gerrymandered to elect a D. The idea that support or non-support for Pelosi as THE deciding factor in this race is ludicrous.

[Drunken Irishman]

14. What the fuck are you blabbering on about?

I never said anything about the deciding factor being Pelosi. I said he jumped the gun flying out to DC after the initial vote on election day, and then signing on with other elected Democrats who opposed Pelosi.

The CD4 IS gerrymandered. They've taken the most populous county in Utah, Salt Lake, and split it up into three districts - District 2, 3 and 4. It also happens to be the most Democratic county. McAdams won the County by nearly ten-points but is likely to lose the race because the rest of his district is in Utah County, Juab and Sanpete - all very conservative counties.

The old district that Jim Matheson belonged to (who held CD4 after it was created, and was the last Democrat to beat Love in 2012, by a very, very, very narrow margin) - before it was gerrymandered (district 2) was the definition of a swing district by Utah standards. But the Republicans gerrymandered it to the point where it's now impossible for any Democrat to win. It's why Matheson opted to run in CD4 in 2012 instead of his old district.

Democrats won in that district in 1973, 1975, 1987, 1993, 2001, 2004, 2006, 2008 and 2010. Matheson, in a Republican wave year, won CD2 50.49-46.06 in 2010 - his last election in that district. Two years later, in a Democratic election year (where Democrats won more House seats than Republicans and Obama won reelection), Matheson BARELY won over Mia Love in CD4 by 768 votes.

[shanny]

15. Lol dude. Take a pill.

Or don't. I thought your OP was absurd, predicated on the idea that UT was only in the red column because Gerrymandering! and the idea that opposition to Pelosi or lack of it would have turned the tide.

I find both of those ideas laughable. Your sense of humor must be...different.

[Drunken Irishman]

16. lol

If you're going to take the time to reply to my message, please at least read the message. I just explained HOW the gerrymandering after the 2010 election killed any hope for Democrats to win a House seat in Utah. I just showed you examples of how Democrats have succeeded in the second congressional district and how, in 2010, a year the Republicans dominated the House elections, Jim Matheson won pretty easily over his Republican and that, two years later, in a presidential election, where the Republicans lost seats in the House, Matheson won reelection in a new district after his was gerrymandered by less than 800 votes. How is that laughable?

You don't know Utah politics. Don't pretend to know Utah politics. You just come off as silly.

As for your other point - I never claimed it, so, I'm not sure why you even mention it. Only pointed out McAdams jumped the gun.

[Iggo]

17. Congratulations!

[Drunken Irishman]

18. Thank you!

[Iggo]

19. Now that you're not even trying to hide it anymore, I think it's time.