Joy JUst Made A Great Point

[Me.]

Why is the focus on Nancy and Nancy alone? What about Steny who is older than Nancy?

[calimary]

1. Because Nancy is female.

[Me.]

2. Precisely

[Polly Hennessey]

10. Yes, Calimary, she is female, plus

she is a strong, smart, successful female. Well, the Seth Moulton’s of the world can’t have that. No, sireeeee!

[PatSeg]

40. As well as a powerful, effective leader

[treestar]

59. Bingo

Bingo

[nolabear]

3. Let me think...

🧐🤔🙋🏼?♀️👵🏻?

[Me.]

4. It's A Mystery

[sheshe2]

5. Female and Powerful

[Me.]

7. ...

[DinahMoeHum]

9. I saw him at a fund-raiser once. . .

. . .I left it with a bad taste in my mouth. He's too much a wheeler-dealer and compromiser.

[blueinredohio]

8. Nancy knows what she's doing.

We have too much at stake now to put a greenhorn in as a leader

[KCDebbie]

11. Joy and her panel made MANY good points

During that discussion!

Why IS Cong Marcia Fudge allowing herself to be used as the face of opposition against Pelosi' s Speakership?

Why IS no one gunning for any of the "5 white guys" 's positions?

[Me.]

12. It Was A Good Discussion

Good points about Rep. Fudge were made without disparaging her. And Donna Edwards pointed out, as a past member, that though it's often dismissed as not that important regarding Nancy's contributions, the money she raised was crucial.

[Blue_true]

36. I respect Donna Edwards. I hope that she run for office again. nt

[George II]

35. Someone pointed out that it might be Jim Clyburn behind it, but I really doubt that.

It annoyed me.

[Blue_true]

37. He came out firmly behind Pelosi.

I also said that he had a talk with Fudge about what she was doing. Fudge has since started backing away from where she was.

[George II]

42. Right. I don't know why that guy said that. It was wrong!

[SunSeeker]

13. Mitch McConnell is 76 years old and no one ever says he should give the gavel to a younger GOPer.

[Me.]

14. And While Schumer Isn't As Old As Nancy

he seems almost invisible and while the Senate lost seats, he's not being asked to step down.

[SunSeeker]

16. Exactly. nt

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

26. Maybe Republicans are privately saying that.

However, the point that they collectively do an excellent job of staying on message, no matter how awful that message is, is a good one.

[TeamPooka]

15. Female, effective, and from SF so you get the gay bashing aspect of their hate in there too

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

17. People are focussing on Nancy because she's

the one who will most likely be next Speaker of the House.

In recent years people here have spoken out strongly against the fact that the same Dems stay in leadership positions or the same Dems are being touted here to run for President in 2020, even though they are all at least 70, maybe older.

We really do need younger leadership.

And people wonder why the younger citizens don't vote. It's because all they see are people old enough to be their grandparents hogging everything.

[Me.]

20. And What Experience Do Newbies Bring?

and why aren't they willing to work their way up the way most of us do? And that argument that they don't vote because older people are in charge is vague because if they voted they could vote other people in. Everyone seems to forget that Nancy and all keep getting elected by their constituents. Also, how many of the new people elected this year are actually young? As they say, you've got to be in it to win it.

I'm not basing my choices on age what I want is the best person who is able to get the job done.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

25. And how are they going to get experience if they aren't given

some leadership responsibilities? Kind of like companies that want a new hire to already have experience, and is never willing to hire someone for the first time.

I'm not suggesting that some brand new House member become Speaker. But Pelosi seems to have done essentially nothing to groom anyone younger to eventually take over.

[Me.]

27. Actually Pelosi Is Said To Be And, Has Been Mentoring Others

It took her over 20 years in Congress before she became part of the leadership. Further, I would think their first and major concern would be to learn how to represent their constituents effectively.

[Caliman73]

45. I disagree. There are many people who suggest different candidates.

Candidates are usually suggested because they have done or constantly say things that resonate with people. Obviously, the longer you are in politics the more opportunity you will have to present yourself. You have to be at least 25 to become a national representative 30 for a Senator, and 35 for President or VP. I believe those rules were put in place when the average life span was in the 60's.

Elizabeth Warren entered politics later in life. In her mid to late 60's she has shown herself to be a dynamic spokes person against the excesses of the financial industry. She is however, older.

Bernie Sanders is another candidate who shows a lot of energy but is in his 70's along with Joe Biden.

There is also support for Kamala Harris (54). Corey Booker (49), and others including newly minted rock star Beto O'Rourke (46). Our last President was a little known Senator from Illinois who came out of nowhere in 2004 elected to office when he was 49 and just prior to that the Republican president took office at 54.

Younger citizens do not vote for many reasons one of which is stipulated as the reality that those in government are not among their peer group. However, that is not the only reason they don't vote. A good chunk of why they don't vote is the same reason they don't buy health insurance, or invest in the stock market. They don't feel it is important at that moment to do future planning.

Neuroscience is showing more and more evidence that the brain does not typically stop developing (growing structures) until the age of 25. The last parts of the brain to do so are the executive function centers in the pre-frontal cortex. That is where judgment, complex decision making, and impulse control are typically housed. Every person is different and maturity levels are a product of both biology and learning, but if the typical brain isn't fully developed until 25 and the last parts to develop are those areas that affect your ability to weigh all of the consequences of your decisions, what do you think that says about the difference between an 18 year old and a 35 year old?

I work in a field where age and "experience" are considered valuable. What does a 22 year old just out of undergrad know about "lived experience" or a 24 year old with the Master's Degree. Which is why you need a minimum of 18 months or so of additional practical experience before you can sit for a license. I am taking classes now and I see peers (fellow students) struggling with concepts that are easy to me because I have been in and around the field for 24 years. Politics is another area where experience matters. Not to say that young people cannot contribute, but there are many factors that they don't consider that come into play when making decisions.

[pnwmom]

46. We just had a huge blue wave, thanks in part to Nancy,

who assisted many YOUNG candidates to run.

We don't need younger leadership. We need Nancy, with all her experience and skills.

[treestar]

60. I don't see that as a reason not to vote

I don’t think that is why. And those that do supported old Bernie.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

63. Who said anything about not voting?

I didn't.

[treestar]

65. That is how I saw your last

Sentence.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

67. I was pointing out that among the reasons young people and, young people specifically,

don't vote in the numbers they should is that they look at those running and all they see are people old enough to be their parents or grandparents. That is not advocating not voting. But when potential voters don't see anyone much like them running, they can be pretty indifferent.

At least this year there were a lot of women running for Congress, and a decent number of younger candidates. Meanwhile, the leadership is getting older, and I honestly see almost no evidence that the Democrats are doing anything to bring along younger politicians to take over when they finally pass from the scene.

I vote. I even vote in the mid terms and for every odd election locally, such as for city council and bond issues.

I supported Bernie. I voted for Hillary two years ago. Please stop blaming Bernie supporters for Hillary's loss. Likewise, stop blaming Jill Stein. If you want to blame a third party candidate, go after Gary Johnson, who after all got just over 3% of the vote, compared to 1% for Jill Stein.

[WhiteTara]

18. They want her power. It's been like this for centuries

the witch burnings weren't necessarily about witchcraft so much as it was about money and power. Matrilineal succession meant that men had to fend for themselves and did not get to get all the inheritance like the sisters.

[Me.]

22. Yes, That Has Been Proven

and if it wasn't a burning woodpile it's been the use of derision and demeaning. Any negativity will do. Last night I was watching a show from the 50's and a man who wanted things to go his way was trying to intimidate a woman and told her to keep her skirts clean.

[WhiteTara]

29. It's so deeply embedded that

it may take centuries to root out. Women must hold power for at least 100 years for there to be real change.

[uponit7771]

19. Sexism in America is too acceptable. Willingness to ask confront media on sexism is needed.

[Hortensis]

21. Steny should pledge to only serve 2 years as

house majority leader. Or less. He is a year older than Nancy.

Oh, that 2-year insult's only for the woman? Oh.

[Me.]

23. There's Been A Wilfull Blindness About This

very convenient.

[lapucelle]

28. Here'a a funny meme aimed at Republicans that a friend sent me.

[iluvtennis]

34. Love it.

[George II]

39. Bazinga! I'd vote for them.

[Me.]

44. Heads Would

[lapucelle]

48. And the world would be a better place...

[Me.]

56. ...

[NurseJackie]

49. "Because Fuck You" ... oh that's perfect!

"Because Fuck You"

[JHan]

51. winning meme. #Meme of the Century

[lapucelle]

53. I got it from a friend...

[JHan]

54. You have excellent friends!

[Danascot]

57. I'm hoping for President Pelosi a little sooner than that

Right after Rump & Hairshirt Mike are frogmarched out of the White House.

[Baltimike]

30. Because they're sexist AF and want to divide and conquer. nt

[pdsimdars]

31. Joy often makes good points. She's really good.

[George II]

32. Cecile Richards tweeted something similar yesterday:

Link to tweet

[iluvtennis]

33. Nancy is a woman and women are tireless in getting things done. They know she will persist.

[George II]

41. My mother was behind a lot of my father's success, and I owe a lot of my success in life....

....to my mother. I also owe some of my failures to her.

[iluvtennis]

47. + agree

[Iggo]

38. Pelosi's about to hand them their fucking asses, is why.

[spike jones]

43. maybe it is because this is what Pelosi wants to do

https://www.alternet.org/staggeringly-bad-idea-outrage-pelosi-pushes-tax-rule-would-kneecap-progressive-agenda

[lapucelle]

50. Here are the actual rule change proposals for those who would like to think for themselves.

I trust the Democratic caucus's judgement over that of an Alternet pundit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/page/politics/democratic-house-rules-proposal/2348/?tid=a_inl_manual

[Cha]

52. Good question, Me.. thanks for Joy's asking..

Link to tweet

[Me.]

55. Well That's Certainly Plain Enough

"This will only get worse for Moulton, Ryan, Rice and freshmen clueless enough to join their open collaboration with Trump's GOP"

[displacedtexan]

58. Demonizing Pelosi is a Republican fundraising machine.

It used to be Hillary Clinton and still is to a degree, but Trump's crowds respond wildly when he smirks and says, "Pelosi." Mitch McC started this when Pelosi became speaker the first time. No way they'll ever stop using her to raise money from dumbass deplorables. They've tried to demonize Schumer, but it's not nearly as effective as their assault on Pelosi because sexism & San Francisco are wingnut gold.

[Me.]

61. You're Quite Right

and the question is...why are Dems lining up with the Cons and determined to give them what they want?

[spanone]

62. Because it gives the media a chance to point out how they think the dems are dysfunctional

whereas the truth is, we are simply electing a speaker of the house.

was the media wringing their hands over electing the house minority leader...? nope.

[Me.]

64. True, But The Question Remains

why are Dems helping them?

[spanone]

68. It's a process.

[treestar]

66. And one would think

House minority leader would be more interesting, as that has to be someone new.

[spanone]

69. yep.