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Please? (Original Post) markbark Nov 2018 OP
YES!!!!! niyad Nov 2018 #1
Our Energy DownriverDem Nov 2018 #20
And we need to send Trump-trolls X-mas FISA Warrants w/ graphics Jeffersons Ghost Nov 2018 #44
so much this msdogi Nov 2018 #2
Thank you volstork Nov 2018 #3
Some people just want to take anyone down, and soft targets are easier to meet that blood thirst. TheBlackAdder Nov 2018 #4
The media is stirring shit up by calling it a "fight" lunatica Nov 2018 #5
Why Dems? DownriverDem Nov 2018 #22
It's not a fight in the House. It's a vote that happens every single lunatica Nov 2018 #30
Thank You Leith Nov 2018 #6
Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Nov 2018 #7
OK, so about those Nazis.... DemocracyMouse Nov 2018 #13
Jesus, I hope when the new Democrats take their seats in Congress... rgbecker Nov 2018 #8
Loose lips sink ships.. SoCalDem Nov 2018 #9
I mean really, watoos Nov 2018 #10
This is so obvious. It's unbelievable how many don't get it. lilactime Nov 2018 #11
It's always so Pantagruel Nov 2018 #12
Oh, I know. Just seems like we don't have that luxury right now. lilactime Nov 2018 #31
COMPLETELY agree here!! bluestarone Nov 2018 #14
So the answer is what? Just shut up and accept whoever the powers that be decide is the "leader"? BamaRefugee Nov 2018 #15
Wake up DownriverDem Nov 2018 #24
I've been AWAKE since I first voted in 1972, thanks. And where did I say she WASN'T going to be BamaRefugee Nov 2018 #33
So you think you get a vote on who becomes murielm99 Nov 2018 #42
You think that I think I get to vote on that? WTF? I'm talking about THE ACTUAL PEOPLE INVOLVED. BamaRefugee Nov 2018 #43
You are speaking as though you do not murielm99 Nov 2018 #45
"END OF DISCUSSION". Spoken like a true authoritarian. BamaRefugee Nov 2018 #60
Take your anger elsewhere, murielm99 Nov 2018 #61
We DEFINITELY have input to them as to who they vote for! I'm not angry, just bemused. BamaRefugee Nov 2018 #62
One of those is not like the others. n/t demmiblue Nov 2018 #16
The Allies defeated ACTUAL Nazis in WW2, but did they agree on everything all the time, in lockstep? BamaRefugee Nov 2018 #17
they didn't fight each other, though NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #58
Not with guns, but intellectually. I don't see any Dems pulling out any pistols here! BamaRefugee Nov 2018 #59
Strength from diversity lambchopp59 Nov 2018 #18
Exactly! StarryNite Nov 2018 #19
And when it's not them it's AOC lpbk2713 Nov 2018 #21
About Sanders DownriverDem Nov 2018 #25
I'd trade him for my Senator JonLP24 Nov 2018 #47
Yes 100% Sunsky Nov 2018 #23
The Democratic party is as close to a Democracy as you can get in this country mastermind Nov 2018 #26
Yes...Yes...Yes... Heartstrings Nov 2018 #27
indeed The Liberal Lion Nov 2018 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Nov 2018 #29
Good one empedocles Nov 2018 #32
A.f'n.men! Duppers Nov 2018 #34
KR NT ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2018 #35
Yes malaise Nov 2018 #36
And one could also add Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders to that list LiberalLovinLug Nov 2018 #37
Absolutely correct! SergeStorms Nov 2018 #38
OH MY GOD!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! Ferrets are Cool Nov 2018 #39
To quote the imminent philosopher Rodney King Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2018 #40
Who is Ida, and why am I supposed to care what she thinks? Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #41
Who are you? nt RandiFan1290 Nov 2018 #46
I am a 10 year member of DU, w/a history of laying out my views. Who is Ida?nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #48
Your opinion is no more or less important than hers. RandiFan1290 Nov 2018 #49
Yes, it is, when someone posts a tweet by some unknown person. Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #50
You are unknown to me, you could be her! Lighten the fuck up. Nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #55
You lighten up. I am well known, if you search my history here. Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #56
To paraphrase the immortal words of Gag Halfrunt markbark Nov 2018 #52
Thanks. That's all I was wondering. Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #54
Thank you! denvine Nov 2018 #51
PLEASE!!!!! calimary Nov 2018 #53
I couldn't agree more. malthaussen Nov 2018 #57

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
20. Our Energy
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 04:39 PM
Nov 2018

Nancy Pelosi will be the next Speaker of the House. We need to work together. We will be fighting the repubs. That is where our energy needs to be.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
5. The media is stirring shit up by calling it a "fight"
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 02:32 PM
Nov 2018

This whole thing is just business as usual in the transfer of power in the House.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
30. It's not a fight in the House. It's a vote that happens every single
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 04:55 PM
Nov 2018

time the power changes parties.

The media are blowing it up as an ‘unnatural’ and ‘unprecedented’ fight when it is normal.

Leith

(7,808 posts)
6. Thank You
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 02:41 PM
Nov 2018

This DOES need to be said.

It's weird to see threads on DU dedicated to hating on our own. Whoever starts one, and whoever contributes more hate to one, is automatically on the "suspicious" list - there is no getting off of it.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
7. Thank YOU!
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 02:47 PM
Nov 2018

Thank you Ida! I'm with you! This internecine bickering has got to stop NOW! What is with this shit?

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
13. OK, so about those Nazis....
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 04:00 PM
Nov 2018

New focus:

The “Proud Boys” have now been placed on an “extremists” list.

Talk about that please.

rgbecker

(4,826 posts)
8. Jesus, I hope when the new Democrats take their seats in Congress...
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 02:48 PM
Nov 2018

They don't fall apart like the Republicans and get nothing done. Makes me nervous as hell to read about a Speaker fight right after the election.

All concentration should be on stopping Trump and his mob from doing any more harm to the country, to the fight against Climate Change, detaining of children and trade wars with everyone.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
9. Loose lips sink ships..
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 03:26 PM
Nov 2018

This is my MAIN gripe about our leadership.. They never seem to grasp how important the word "confidence" can be. Have your disagreements in PRIVATE...as in NO ONE TALKS TO THE MEDIA

Some of our folks are camera/microphone addicts and cannot stop themselves from "we're-gonna-do this or that..

Some things need to be hashed out in confidence until the final details are worked out..

We all know the press these days is OBSESSED with making everything confrontational..

Do not feed the beast

When asked, a simple.."We are in the process of working out the details..Let you know when we are done".. is all that's necessary..

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
10. I mean really,
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 03:46 PM
Nov 2018

The Republicans have Russians like Rohrabacher and Nunes, and reelected Nunes, and Nazis like Steve King who get reelected.

C'mon Dems, United we stand, divided we fall.

bluestarone

(16,900 posts)
14. COMPLETELY agree here!!
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 04:01 PM
Nov 2018

WE could end up with our own version of the (REPUG TEA PARTY) if we don't start coming together on lots of things!! For God sake We finally get control, WE can't BLOW THIS!!!!

BamaRefugee

(3,483 posts)
15. So the answer is what? Just shut up and accept whoever the powers that be decide is the "leader"?
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 04:01 PM
Nov 2018

Doesn't sound very democratic to me.
And exactly WHO is going to make these decisions "for us"?

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
24. Wake up
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 04:43 PM
Nov 2018

Nancy Pelosi is going to be the Speaker of the House. The majority of Dems want her. Get it? There is plenty of other leadership positions that Nancy is going to give to new folks. Thinking you can start at the top is how we got trump.

BamaRefugee

(3,483 posts)
33. I've been AWAKE since I first voted in 1972, thanks. And where did I say she WASN'T going to be
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 05:12 PM
Nov 2018

Speaker???
I don't mind a lively Democratic discussion about it before she's sworn in though.
Get it?

murielm99

(30,733 posts)
42. So you think you get a vote on who becomes
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 03:11 AM
Nov 2018

Speaker of the House? The Congress people decide that for themselves. They are the powers that be.

BamaRefugee

(3,483 posts)
43. You think that I think I get to vote on that? WTF? I'm talking about THE ACTUAL PEOPLE INVOLVED.
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 05:33 AM
Nov 2018

And by extension, our discussions here on DU.

murielm99

(30,733 posts)
45. You are speaking as though you do not
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 07:16 AM
Nov 2018

understand the process. The actual people involved are the elected Congress people, the powers that be.

How does that extend to discussion here? We voted for these people. They decide whom they want for leaders. End of discussion.

BamaRefugee

(3,483 posts)
60. "END OF DISCUSSION". Spoken like a true authoritarian.
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 02:13 PM
Nov 2018

You’re saying that the only input we,the people,have, is BEFORE we elect someone as our Representative? After that, we’re not allowed to speak out to guide them in our wishes for the next 2 years?
Under your bizarre system of government, there’s definitely no need for something like DU, where people speak their mind, we should all just stfu for 2 years the day after Election Day.

murielm99

(30,733 posts)
61. Take your anger elsewhere,
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 04:11 PM
Nov 2018

somewhere where it might do some good.

We do not get to tell them who to choose as THEIR leader. Nothing could be more simple to understand.

BamaRefugee

(3,483 posts)
62. We DEFINITELY have input to them as to who they vote for! I'm not angry, just bemused.
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 04:23 PM
Nov 2018

It's called "THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE" for a reason. We can directly communicate anything we want to our Representative, doesn't mean we all get our way, but lively discussion is the very heart of Democracy!

WE *DO* GET TO TELL THEM! ANYTHING.
It's the American Way.

BamaRefugee

(3,483 posts)
17. The Allies defeated ACTUAL Nazis in WW2, but did they agree on everything all the time, in lockstep?
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 04:02 PM
Nov 2018

Hardly.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
58. they didn't fight each other, though
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 12:52 PM
Nov 2018

at the end of the day, they realized the enemies were Germany and Japan, and to a lesser extent Italy.

This included the US, Canada, France, Britain, Australia and other countries, as well as the Soviet Union and China.

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
18. Strength from diversity
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 04:27 PM
Nov 2018

Eyes on the prize, we tend to share the same utopia-destined building goals, with some minor differences about the how's and the who's.
It's the bots who seek to pervert our intentions with "Cadillac welfare queen" regurgitations and the like. I haven't seen near the number and scope of those sorts of disruptions here on DU in quite some time, thank you moderators.
Let the sensationalist journalists make hay of our differences all they like, hash over the fakery of fake "fake news", it didn't change the outcome of the blue wave.
A few years back, posting the above would have elicited major bullying here, may still do so.

lpbk2713

(42,753 posts)
21. And when it's not them it's AOC
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 04:39 PM
Nov 2018


or Sanders

or ______

Might as well get over it. There will always be someone to fill in the blank.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
47. I'd trade him for my Senator
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 07:38 AM
Nov 2018

He votes much better than a Democrat. He sure as hell isn't a Republican.

 

mastermind

(229 posts)
26. The Democratic party is as close to a Democracy as you can get in this country
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 04:46 PM
Nov 2018

Democracies have descent, they have conflicting opinions, they have public forums for conflicts, opinions. In fighting is not what one wants but I believe it can be healthy and working out the challenges just makes us stronger, healthier. It is much better that the storm trooper republican party full of robots programmed to say one thing, do one thing, praise and protect their dictator.

Heartstrings

(7,349 posts)
27. Yes...Yes...Yes...
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 04:47 PM
Nov 2018

Focus on the republicans and quit battling amongst ourselves! It's their playbook and has worked so well in the past.....

Response to markbark (Original post)

SergeStorms

(19,192 posts)
38. Absolutely correct!
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 09:19 PM
Nov 2018

Stop letting the trolls dictate the debate. They've done this for the past 20 years and we always fall for it. NO MORE!

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
41. Who is Ida, and why am I supposed to care what she thinks?
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 11:51 PM
Nov 2018

People post tweets by other people all the time, without saying who these people are.

Are people fighting about Avenatti?

The fight about Pelosi is not ours. It's something to be dealt with in the House. And they're not fighting, as far as I know....yet.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
50. Yes, it is, when someone posts a tweet by some unknown person.
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 09:20 AM
Nov 2018

It's appropriate to identify who the tweeter is, so we'll get a sense of how many years of pointed observation of political parties she has. And it's not just to get more followers in twitter.

Who I am is well known in this forum to the extent anyone can read my thoughts & views, and look me up. Plus, I'm not posting a tweet by myself around the internet, giving advice to people. Who Ida is...unknown. So it's bad form not to identify her, IMO.

There are plenty of famous people with cred and a history of supporting Democratic Party causes, w/o going to posting tweets by people looking for followers on Twitter. Or if she IS famous, why not identify her?

What did Ida say on the lead up to the Iraq War? There are people w/a view of history, who are famous and respected writers and thinkers. It'd be interesting to know what THEY think on the subject. She may be one of them. I don't know. Maybe served in the military in the Iraq War. It's a mystery. I'm just saying...why not identify her?

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
56. You lighten up. I am well known, if you search my history here.
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 11:42 AM
Nov 2018

You will know my age, my viewpoints, who I voted for, and a host of other things about me.

Requesting that yet another tweet by yet another unknown person be identified is proper. And if I had posted it, I have no doubt I'd get chastised for not identifying the tweeter.

Lighten up and quit attacking me for a post that simply asks "Who is Ida?" Geez.

markbark

(1,560 posts)
52. To paraphrase the immortal words of Gag Halfrunt
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 10:44 AM
Nov 2018

Zaphod Beeblebrox's private brain care specialist:
"Vell, Ida is just zis guy, you know?"

She's some ex-pat living in Norway who I started following on twitter 'cuz I liked a lot of what she was saying.
Not a pundit, not an authority and as far as I can tell, not a Russian bot. (YMMV)
Certainly no one to get in an argument over. Fight the Nazis, not each other.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
54. Thanks. That's all I was wondering.
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 11:22 AM
Nov 2018

I see a lot of tweets here passed on by DU'ers, tweeters unknown, and the poster rarely identifies who they are. So I get tired of looking them up & wish instead that they'd just identify the tweeter, since they obviously know who they are. I would. It's just a courtesy.

I don't consider asking who someone is to be "fighting." But thanks...that's all I was wondering...who is this mysterious Ida?

denvine

(799 posts)
51. Thank you!
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 10:43 AM
Nov 2018

We need to stay focused on the real enemies, they are the real threat to our democracy, our earth and our freedom.

malthaussen

(17,184 posts)
57. I couldn't agree more.
Tue Nov 20, 2018, 12:11 PM
Nov 2018

But the point of the Democratic Party is that it is not just a bunch of robots who vote in lockstep as the Leader commands. Hence, agitated discussion of issues is a healthy thing. Only when such infighting takes away from the energy needed to combat the real enemy do we have a problem. Right now, I suggest, the Party's biggest problem is that it still has not figured out how to keep the GOP from controlling the narrative.

-- Mal

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