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By Carter Eskew
Contributing opinion writer
November 19 at 12:40 PM
When Donald Trumps political autopsy is written, the exact time of death will be uncertain, but it will be fixed sometime around the 2018 midterm elections when enough of the country decided that it had had enough.
Cause of death, somewhat unexpectedly, will not be a single event, not his racist reaction to Charlottesville, or his siding with Vladimir Putin over his own intelligence branches, or his obstruction of justice, or his threatening to cut off federal aid for the burned-out citizens of Californias fires, or any of his other misdeeds, but rather the accumulation of all of them. In medical terminology, the cause will be death by misadventure. This accident of democracy will have politically expired, due to deliberate assumption of unreasonable risk by the victim. In other words, he came too close to the edge too many times and finally fell.
How can we be so certain that Trumps political days are numbered? First, now we can see more clearly that the blue tide kept rising as many of the closest races, especially for the House, flipped to the Democrats as the final votes were counted. Democrats are now set to gain nearly 40 seats in the House their biggest gain in decades.
Second, we have the smart analysis this past weekend from Democratic pollster Stanley B. Greenberg that the shift away from Trump in 2018 was more profound than many initially believed. In fact, Greenberg makes a strong case that the election was transformative with Trump losing support, not only with suburban, college-educated women, but all women. And Democrats gained ground in other areas, too, including working-class men and in rural areas.
The likelihood that Democrats will maintain these gains though the 2020 election is very promising. Unlike many incumbent presidents who have retooled their approach in the face of stinging midterm rebukes, Trump has signaled hes sticking with his risky behavior. The attack tweets, the latest puerile joke about a congressmans name and indefensible behaviors, such as believing a foreign power instead of the CIA about the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, will continue.
Trump will not pass from our politics suddenly from a single dramatic cause, but rather from the accumulation of self-inflicted wounds. It has taken much longer and done more damage than many hoped, but the end of Trump is finally in sight.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2018/11/19/the-end-of-trump/?utm_term=.e3e1b599c040&wpisrc=nl_popns&wpmm=1
malaise
(268,846 posts)It's all down him for him from here on
underpants
(182,730 posts)but that was really good
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hack89
(39,171 posts)that will reset your timer.
MyOwnPeace
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WhiteTara
(29,699 posts)MyOwnPeace
(16,924 posts)I did let my Star Membership pass - but I just renewed.
Thanks for the reminder.
So, now what do you have to say?
WhiteTara
(29,699 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)reACTIONary
(5,770 posts).... copy the link then start up an "incognito" tab or a "private " tab. Paste the link and you're aloowed a full quota. Clise the tab and you are back to your previous browse session without having deleted anything .
BadGimp
(4,012 posts)I use the Google Chrome browser and it's easy to do that. I right click on the link and "Open Link in Incognito Window".
When a link is opened in an Incognito Window the site cannot determine if you have been there before.
I am not certain if this works with Internet Explorer. But if anyone is still using Internet Explorer then you already have a whole range of other problems.
Safari supports Incognito as well.
Pluvious
(4,308 posts)Cirque du So-What
(25,921 posts)Personally, I believe his demise will be traced to a single event: the stock market tanking. Once that happens, corporate media will get their marching orders - even Faux Nooz. Deplorable hearts & minds will follow.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Because it started with the mid-term elections.
Cha
(297,029 posts)fierywoman
(7,679 posts)Blue Owl
(50,330 posts)If all the votes had actually been counted, FL and GA would be BLUE...
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)The Liberal Lion
(1,414 posts)Last edited Mon Nov 19, 2018, 08:06 PM - Edit history (3)
to even believe any longer that his ouster will come by way of a political solution.
I'm very happy that the Democratic party now at least controls the House and that the Blue Wall has been rebuilt. That gives me some ( a very small amount) reason to have a bit of optimism. But the fact remains he came into power both illegitimately and illegally, and we liberal and progressives did nothing. In fact many of us said "let's give him a chance". Too many of us on the left are willing to allow this catastrophe to endure. Very easily we could have shut down this country and held trump and the new American nazi party hostage until they relinquished their illicit hold on the levers of power. We could have did it legally, yet we feared. Everyday their power grew due to our complacency and in many cases our cowardice. Instead of looking in the mirror and realizing we must be our own heroes, we pawned off the job to others, and sat back and only sighed as they failed to slay this orange demon. Now we hope for the impossible, namely the removal of this stain, this utter mistake, by way of the House. Already, however, we see the main leadership worried more about votes, votes that they never get thru concession, instead of doing what must be done. What is it that must be done? The system must be brought to a complete stop. Power can not be shared, and there can be no comprise with absolute evil. Absolute evil is what the republican is, and in this form they are not our countrymen, they are our enemies. If America truly did not want trump after these two years of misadventures than America would have given the dems the Senate as well. That did not happen. This is a nation far too divided to endure. The schism can never be healed, yet complete separation now without much suffering and pain is now impossible. No, the glory days of America is now over. America, like it or not, is a failed state. Perhaps I am wrong, but I certainly don't believe that I am.
jazzcat23
(176 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,168 posts)I guess there are some that need to read headlines like Trump is gong down! or The end of Trump! or they'd be lost in hopeless depression. I get that. But I also read a ton of OPs during the Bush era like "Bush is going down!" and "the End of Cheney!, and photoshopped pictures of KKKarl Rove in handcuffs.
This is what scares me:
"Already, however, we see the main leadership worried more about votes, votes that they never get thru concession, instead of doing what must be done"
All we do is concede, capitulate, and crumble. All to get a few scraps added to another monster GOP bill for the wealthy. For which Lead Democrats will stand in front of the cameras crowing about their great success. Somehow, even after so many losses in the last decade, it looks like we are adamant to continue with this status quo losing way. Pretending that Trump is the problem, not the GOP. All for fear of taking the risk of doing the right thing for the big picture. Afraid of McConnell, Fox News, and Rush Limpballs. Would it be a gamble to go full bore all guns blazing? Damn right. But that is what the public sees coming from the other side and anything less is simply not respected anymore. Going high when they go low used to work. It doesn't anymore.
I wish to gawd we had someone like Avenatti in our top leadership calling the shots, speaking for the party, scaring the bejesus out of the GOP and Trump on a daily basis. But more than that he understands the mood of the country and what the public is now expecting in so far as passion, and not backing down instead of desperately running at the football they are finally holding up for us to kick, now that we have the house. Instead of blindsiding them and tackling the ball holder, grabbing the ball and running for a touchdown.
I still have a bit of hope though that they have learned a lesson watching Obama try to be the nice guy, only to have almost every accomplishment either reversed, or crippled once they gained power back. That they now know it is war.
Charlotte Little
(658 posts)However, I also think we have both taken way too draconian a view. I was on this form doom-saying pre-midterms and was outrageously wrong. The country did respond the way most had hoped and predicted. The blue wave did happen and it's just getting bigger.
We really didn't have all that great a chance of taking the senate two Tuesdays ago, but we definitely do in 2020. Now that I've seen pockets in actual red states repudiate Trump in various elections, I am sleeping better these days. We have a long way to go and the country is broken. But hope is alive for reasons I don't understand given all the hateful rhetoric, violence, and corruption we are watching almost daily.
Also, I'm going to try and drive the point home again - everyone should stop saying we are divided. This country is NOT divided or polarized. We are the majority. It's the fringe extreme minority, loud as can be, who are Trump's base. We outnumber them. Please don't buy into or spread the narrative that there are two sides. There is only one side. And then there is evil, racist, vicious trash. They've been there all along. Trump just gave them a reason to crawl out from under their rocks to hiss and piss at the rest of us. Now, let's give them a reason to crawl back under. They're cowards. Trust me, they'll go, especially when Trump does. And Trump will go. Of that, I'm finally convinced.
Or he'll nuke the planet and that's it, the end.
(couldn't resist)
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Republicans held the Senate and the House, the White House, control of the DOJ, and had replaced Democrats with Republicans in appointed various positions.
I remember one Democratic politician...I forget who...who said to give him a chance. But I do recall one. I don't recall any others. One person is not representative of an entire political party. (Update: I found who it was. It was Diane Feinstein. She said he could become a good President, if he changes. That's pretty naive, IMO.)
I do think that saying the end of Trump is nigh is overly optimistic. We've all heard that before. The fact remains that almost half the country supports him, he will not quit, he is mentally unbalanced, and he puts the fear of Hell into Republican politicians across the country.
We'll know more once Mueller's report comes in, if there is evidence he conspired with Russia. That is the only thing that I think will cause the Republicans in Congress to give thought to removing him. His supporters in the public, though, will not believe any "evidence," and will continue to support him. They are now officially a cult, IMO. Like David Karesh's supporters, they will go down in flames before they'll leave him.
FakeNoose
(32,613 posts)... if Putin and Cambridge Analytica had stayed out of it. They did stay out this time, and the good guys won.
Cary
(11,746 posts)I don't see the point of this article. Unindicted Co-Conspirator is a vile manifestation of an atrocious ideology and he managed to come to power because of a perfect storm that included outreach to white supremacists, Russian interference, an FBI director who was full of himself, voter suppression, and obsolete remnants of the slavery issue.
Oh and lets not let the radical left off the hook.
DownriverDem
(6,227 posts)Since trump says whitaker can do whatever he wants, will time run out for Mueller? We so need to know everything.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)The Attorney General Succession Act makes this crystal clear. Rod Rosenstein is the ONLY legal successor to Sessions. It is beyond absurd for the RW to assume that the country's highest law enforcement official does not require Senate confirmation.
trmp made the ludicrous statement that Mueller hadn't been confirmed to be special prosecutor by the Senate. Well, yeah, because he doesn't NEED to be confirmed. And there are those who remind us that Mueller has been confirmed in the past - as the sixth Director of the FBI.
Finally, google this - the article from Laurence Tribe, one of America's foremost constitutional scholars, on Whitaker's appointment.
calimary
(81,181 posts)Demovictory9
(32,444 posts)going on and on about AZ voters. "they voted with emotion and anger, not policy" "Trump tells small lies about stuff that doesn't matter". If they cared about America.... blah blah blah blah.
A vote against Trump is a vote based on policy... against his dismantling of democracy and America, for the environment, women's rights, civil rights, etc.... rabid rightwingers can't believe that we don't see the world through their bigoted eyes.
calimary
(81,181 posts)Total hypocritical holier-than-thou pseudo-moralist jerk. Hes been an insufferable scold for a long time. WAY too long.
Demovictory9
(32,444 posts)of course, in his tiny mind... your "Moral compass" is only working if it agrees with his. He has no ability to see anything from the view of the other. that other's may have other experiences, intelligence that makes their vote just as sensible as his. His show has devolve into "the left! The left destroy everything!"
sfwriter
(3,032 posts)I've sort of seen Trump as a garishly horrid symptom of the hate-filled screeching bubble they live in. His rise to power was the fulfillment of all their worst instincts and excesses.
calimary
(81,181 posts)Deviously clever in the way theyve taken calculated steps to rig the game via voter suppression and gerrymandering to stay ahead of the game. In other words: to CHEAT.
And with the demographic changes in this country moving stradily away from them, they know the only way they can keep winning is to keep rigging the game and gaming the system. In other words: CHEATING.
The ONLY way they can still win is IF THEY CHEAT.
And we not only must NEVER forget that, we also need to be talking openly AND LOUDLY about it.
sfwriter
(3,032 posts)BadGimp
(4,012 posts)I see no one on the US Senate that will stand up to him and assemble a 60 vote majority that will at least threaten to impeach him if he does not resign.
While the scandals of this administration would sink any previous admin, I see nothing bad enough for the GOP cowards to rise up and defend America and our Constitution over.
I think we are stuck with this tyrant at least and until we can vote him out of office.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)There! I wrapped the cause of his end in one concise sentence. Self inflicted Karmic adjustment. Thats how karma works.
PatrickforO
(14,569 posts)Let's hope that happens soon, and above all, hope it happens peacefully. Because I don't think Trump supporters are particularly peaceful, and they are heavily armed.
Orangeutan
(204 posts)--that this is the beginning of the end, that is.
But Trump just shot up five points in this week's Gallup Poll, despite all the horrific and clownish things he said and did in the past week. He's like the serial killer in horror movies that won't stay dead. Cross that with a zombie film in which the Republican Party is eating voters' brains, and you have our current undead democracy.
SWBTATTReg
(22,098 posts)people are seeing through the games he's playing and most importantly, what's actually being passed in Congress (in short, nothing for us, everything for the 1%ers, e.g., 2018 tax cut and jobs act). Ongoing
demands to dismantle the ACA, taking credit for fake accomplishments, playing golf all of the time, back to back vacations, and the constant mouthing off is getting pathetic and old, and enough is enough.
rump is running a pretty good election campaign on NOT getting reelected, I'd say.
Let him mouth off. Garbage in, garbage out, I say. Every time he lies, mouths off, etc., he's costing himself thousands and thousands of votes.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)But still never ever underestimate the stupidity of a large swath of America. Tens of million looked at that orange Abomination and thought he was qualified and OK to be our Chief Executive.....just sayin.