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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Wed Nov 21, 2018, 01:26 PM Nov 2018

Over 90% of the anti-Pelosi Democrats have voted with Trump more often than Pelosi

10 of these 11 incumbent Democrats have supported Trump's agenda more frequently than the former House Speaker.

FRANK DALE NOV 21, 2018, 8:00 AM

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) is likely to become Speaker of the House for the second time when the new Democratic majority is seated in January.

There is one obstacle in Pelosi’s way: A much-publicized bid, mounted by a breakaway group of Democrats seeking to end Pelosi’s reign as leader of the House Democrats, a position she has held since 2003. Their effort, however, met a setback on Tuesday when Rep. Marcia Fudge (D-OH), who was at one point put forward as this opposition group’s choice to repeal and replace Pelosi, announced she would be backing Pelosi instead.

Of the 11 who are currently serving, 10 have voted with President Donald Trump more frequently than Pelosi, who was recently rated as one of the most progressive members of the House by Mother Jones.


https://thinkprogress.org/nancy-pelosi-house-speaker-democrats-seth-moulton-tim-ryan-kurt-schrader-speaker-of-the-house-democratic-congress-792b7ea6268f/
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Over 90% of the anti-Pelosi Democrats have voted with Trump more often than Pelosi (Original Post) workinclasszero Nov 2018 OP
Con moles inthe dem party Fullduplexxx Nov 2018 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Fuzzpope Nov 2018 #3
So you just called for someone to Primary Nancy Pelosi? brooklynite Nov 2018 #6
Opposition for the sake of opposition is not smart. Caliman73 Nov 2018 #11
Plus usually big bills like budget etc .contain a mixture of things we want and things we don't octoberlib Nov 2018 #13
Totally Unsurprised That Those 14 White Men & 2 Women Me. Nov 2018 #2
DINOs JaneQPublic Nov 2018 #4
Yup workinclasszero Nov 2018 #5
This has been an embarassing thread to read... brooklynite Nov 2018 #7
An apparent misunderstanding JaneQPublic Nov 2018 #8
My point is that the attacks on them are just as applicable to many others... brooklynite Nov 2018 #9
But the vote on leadership is the issue, isn't it? JaneQPublic Nov 2018 #12
No. It's AN issue. And not a transcendental one... brooklynite Nov 2018 #19
I think it's more probable that posters championing this group are embarrassed. yardwork Nov 2018 #14
what? Most of us on the left saw this. It was obvious when Ryan was talking about it way back, and JCanete Nov 2018 #16
It sounds like you and I have seen very different posts on DU. yardwork Nov 2018 #18
Moulton did not have fun at his last townhall Gothmog Nov 2018 #10
It was dawning on him right about then that he was gonna get primaried in 2020. brush Nov 2018 #15
The conservadems are playing with fire workinclasszero Nov 2018 #17

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brooklynite

(94,503 posts)
6. So you just called for someone to Primary Nancy Pelosi?
Wed Nov 21, 2018, 01:58 PM
Nov 2018

"One vote with Trump is one vote too many."

According to FiveThirtyEight’s congressional Trump tracker, Pelosi has voted with the Republican president 19.3 percent of the time.

Caliman73

(11,730 posts)
11. Opposition for the sake of opposition is not smart.
Wed Nov 21, 2018, 02:47 PM
Nov 2018

I am not saying the Trump puts out much worth supporting, but if the GOP or Trump put forth legislation or policy that is necessary or even helpful (which I typically find suspicious) then why would someone oppose it? Just because it was Trump or the GOP? That sounds too familiar and is not good governance; which is what the Democratic Party is fundamentally based on at this point.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
13. Plus usually big bills like budget etc .contain a mixture of things we want and things we don't
Wed Nov 21, 2018, 02:53 PM
Nov 2018

You've gotta take what you can get. She's voted no on most of them.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
2. Totally Unsurprised That Those 14 White Men & 2 Women
Wed Nov 21, 2018, 01:32 PM
Nov 2018

support the opposition as much as they have. How many of them were Cons first? Rice was, don't know about the others.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
5. Yup
Wed Nov 21, 2018, 01:38 PM
Nov 2018

Primary them is the answer.

I can already see which way these people are going to vote on a whole host of issues that the American people want and need.

brooklynite

(94,503 posts)
7. This has been an embarassing thread to read...
Wed Nov 21, 2018, 02:09 PM
Nov 2018

Apparently we should "PRIMARY" everyone more conservative or pro-Trump than Pelosi...know who that includes? About a hundred House members voting for Pelosi, including people who don't come from safe, comfy Blue districts.

None of these folks vote with the Republicans a majority of the time, but they're DINOs. There are four House members who voted a MAJORITY of the time with Trump, but they're supporting Pelosi so that's okay right?

If you want to support Nancy Pelosi, fine. If you want to criticize people who won't, fine. But this demonizing of people who have a different view of leadership is about as bad as DU gets.

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
8. An apparent misunderstanding
Wed Nov 21, 2018, 02:40 PM
Nov 2018

As the OP states, "Over 90% of the anti-Pelosi Democrats have voted with Trump more often than Pelosi."

The OP adds, "10 of these 11 incumbent Democrats have supported Trump's agenda more frequently than the former House Speaker."

This thread is specifically about those few Dems who oppose Pelosi as speaker, NOT every Dem less progressive than her.

Nobody is suggesting every Dem to the right of Nancy should be primaried.

brooklynite

(94,503 posts)
9. My point is that the attacks on them are just as applicable to many others...
Wed Nov 21, 2018, 02:43 PM
Nov 2018

...except that they get a pass because they're apparently voting the "right way" on leadership.

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
12. But the vote on leadership is the issue, isn't it?
Wed Nov 21, 2018, 02:50 PM
Nov 2018

And with regard to all those other moderate Dem House members who ARE voting for Pelosi as Speaker, you're putting words in our mouths.

brooklynite

(94,503 posts)
19. No. It's AN issue. And not a transcendental one...
Wed Nov 21, 2018, 03:38 PM
Nov 2018

I have no problem with the Caucus picking Pelosi, and I have no problem if they don't. She's qualified but she's not the only one who is.

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
14. I think it's more probable that posters championing this group are embarrassed.
Wed Nov 21, 2018, 03:01 PM
Nov 2018

This was advertised as a revolt of more progressive representatives against Pelosi, in the interest of moving the party to the left.

It must be very embarrassing to discover that these are actually conservative Democrats.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
16. what? Most of us on the left saw this. It was obvious when Ryan was talking about it way back, and
Wed Nov 21, 2018, 03:15 PM
Nov 2018

still is. I've seen posters proffer up Barbara Lee as an alternative to Pelosi, but that's in response to the question, who should we put up if not Pelosi.

I have seen vague posts stating that Pelosi should be replaced, but nothing about those posts has indicated a left-wing angle or argument. One could be made, but you'd have to show me where a lot of left-leaning dems bought into an anti-Pelosi fervor that was stirred up by these conservative dems. Certainly, our elected more liberal congress-people didn't buy into it. I think your speculation here misses the mark.
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
17. The conservadems are playing with fire
Wed Nov 21, 2018, 03:36 PM
Nov 2018

The blue wave is real. If they don't ride it it will drown them next election.

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