BBC: The Story Behind The Man Who Shot JFK

[ucrdem]

55 years later, a motive for Oswald still hasn't been found:

The Story Behind The Man Who Shot JFK



What did Lee Harvey Oswald do for two years in the Soviet city of Minsk? And why did the American authorities let him return without any fuss in 1963? A few months later he would be arrested for shooting the US President. Vincent Dowd has been listening to archive accounts of Oswald's time in the USSR and speaking to Anthony Summers who has written about the assassination of President Kennedy.

Photo: Lee Harvey Oswald on November 22,1963, during a press conference after his arrest in Dallas. Credit: AFP/Getty Images.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3cswsrd

[milestogo]

1. No motive because he was a patsy.

[Quemado]

2. Exactly

There's a lot of evidence that shows other people were involved. There's also evidence that Oswald may not have even been on the 6th floor at the time of the shooting.

[JenniferJuniper]

3. No, there really isn't any evidence of the sort.

[milestogo]

6. There's plenty of evidence for those who are willing to look.

[JenniferJuniper]

10. Look where exactly?

Case has been written about, analyzed, re-analyzed endlessly for the past 55 years.

And still, nothing but Oswald alone has ever fit.

[PCIntern]

12. You should write for the Republicans

They’re very good at that tack...

[JenniferJuniper]

14. seriously

That's pathetic. If someone doesn't believe in one or more the of the endless JFK conspiracy theories she is automatically a Republican?

[PCIntern]

15. No but your illogic is perfect for them. nt

[JenniferJuniper]

18. bubtbubu what?

[Archae]

43. I agree.

abc news years ago did a major TV special, showing ballistics, that "sound on the dictabelt" fiasco, the works.

all the CREDIBLE evidence says a nutcase far-left loser shot Kennedy.

"JFK" is 99.999% pure fiction.

The rest of the "Illuminati/Jews/Mafia/Cubans/whoever were in on the conspiracy" is pure shit.

[PAMod]

19. What does that even mean?

What did she say that is a Republican ‘tack’?

[PCIntern]

20. No...that the logic is that which the Rethugs use...

"I say there's nothing so that's proof."

Usual tack they take when accused of something. I wasn't questioning the Party she belongs to, just that the opposition uses the same illogic.

[PAMod]

25. A better response would be to provide the evidence, right?

That’s what a person who loves logic would do..

[Tipperary]

45. So why did you not simply say she was being illogical?

Insinuating she is a repub is a pathetic way to disagree. Conspiracy theories are not usually very logical either.

[still_one]

29. King wrote the book 11/22/63, and though it is a work of fiction, he researched throughly the

historical events, and the conclusion and evidence is exactly as voiced.

The one unescapable fact is that Oswald did fire the fatal shots

I assume some of these same folks will say that Oswald had nothing to do with the killing of Officer J.D. Tippit also

[mitch96]

33. Yup, them guys on the grassy knoll were dead in three hours.

Body's buried in the desert, just outside Terre Lingua... got the shovel........
Great line in the movie "the shooter" by Levon Helm...

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[PAMod]

35. They were killed because they missed, right?

I say that because the evidence points to shots from behind...

[mitch96]

40. I was just kidding.....

This who killed who and from where is above my pay grade... I'll just watch..
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[Quemado]

32. Read this book and watch this video

Book - "Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy" by Jim Marrs

Video -

[USALiberal]

22. LOL! Post that in Creative Speculation! nt

[kskiska]

4. He was under surveillance the whole time he was in the USSR

and his upscale government-provided apartment was wired and even his arguments with his wife were recorded. He turned out to be a slacker in his radio factory job and was very dissatisfied. The Soviets didn't even know what to make of him. Then he decided to move back to the US with his Russian wife.

[former9thward]

5. The apologists for the Warren Commission

have always effectively said "Nothing to see here, move on" about Oswald's time in the Soviet Union and his ability to return without a problem at the height of the Cold War.

[Saboburns]

7. And what do you think they should be saying about his time in Russia?

Maybe you know something nobody else knows.

[former9thward]

8. Why was a U.S. defector allowed back?

At the height of the Cold War? A former U.S. Marine who was based at a military spy base in Atsugi, Japan? Someone who claimed to be a Marxist? I guess these things and more mean nothing to people who lack even slight curiosity.

[brush]

11. The OP certainly is thought provoking. Makes you wonder if Soviet/Russian efforts to disrupt...

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and sow dissent in our society began long before Putin and his trump bots. Was Oswald sent back to be set up as the Patsy for the ultimate disruption, the shooting of a president?

If Snowden tries to come back I hope the FBI shadows him constantly. If won't happen while Putin's bitch is still president though.

[Saboburns]

36. I don't propose to say that I know the answers to your questions.

And I am very, very curious.

Why was a defector to the CCCP allowed back? I do not know. Did Oswald renounce his American citizenship when he defected? Did he burn his American bridges upon leaving? He claimed to be a Marxist, but that's not illegal.

Did he betray the US? I don't know. I've read he served as a radar operator in the US Air Force before he left, and he might have knowledge of illegal U2 over flights of the CCCP. But again, there's no evidence he ever betrayed this country.

Why let him back in? I'm not sure. Any other defectors ever change their mind? Any other defectors ever let back in? How often?

Did he ever lose his American citizenship? I'm not aware if he did. So why not let him back in?

I would think the American intel services would very much want to de-brief this man who spent a few years living in that closed society. I would think that played a huge role in his being let back in.

That Oswald defected to the Soviet Union, then came back to America during the late 1950's/early 1960's is incredibly intriguing. Absolutely it adds to the many questions surrouding this assassination.

I have a GREAT interest (and curiousity) regarding this case. I am very comfortable in sorting facts from myths. And there are a bunch of myths here. I have a very open mind. I can be convinced with good evidence and arguments. My mind can be changed.

So far I am not convinced the the Soviet Union had anything to do with Oswald assassinating President Kennedy. But maybe you know something I don't.

[Liberal In Texas]

9. I thought it was Cruz's daddy.

According to the Siberian Candidate.

[Buckeyeblue]

13. The conspiracy has always been more wishful thinking

Because it is more tolerable to think that there was an inside job against Kennedy because he was anti-cuba or anti-organized crime or anti-vietnam. But the more likely truth is that Oswald fired the shots of a lifetime. It's sad. And it's not particularly sexy. But it's probably the truth. A great person can be taken down by a lucky shot.

[JenniferJuniper]

16. Exactly.

And at some point it's time to give it up.

There is nothing that points to anyone but Oswald. Never has been and at this point almost certainly never will be.

[Rustynaerduwell]

17. Real lucky

Every doctor and every medical attendant who treated him said he had an exit wound in the back of his head.

[PCIntern]

21. Dont bother...

if you produced Cinemascope film of three shooters, they'd say that it was Stanley Kubrick faking another historic event.

[JenniferJuniper]

24. Do you have such a film?

Didn't think so.

[PCIntern]

26. Ridiculous opinion.

Now I’m not violating DU terms by belittling you personally. I’m sure you’re wonderful.

[JenniferJuniper]

27. Yes you have.

But at least unlike some, I'm not a crybaby!

[Tipperary]

46. Interesting how you attack anyone who does not agree with you.

I could use your “tack” and say who that reminds me of lol. Come on now, have the courage of your convictions.

[MicaelS]

37. I know guns and shooting.

I have been to the Sixth Floor more than once. The first time I visited, I looked out the window next to the window Oswald fired from, and "This would been an easy shot. I'm surprised he didn't kill JFK with the first shot."

And unless you have personal experience about weapons and how to use them, you can save your smart ass comments for someone else.

[PAMod]

30. Except by their own testimony, none of them turned him over.

They were looking at the destroyed top of his head -

[USALiberal]

23. Conspiracy is fun, truth is boring. nt

[still_one]

31. I wonder who they think killed Officer J.D. Tippit?

"At 12:45 p.m., 15 minutes after Kennedy was shot, Tippit received a radio order to drive to the central Oak Cliff area as part of a concentration of police around the center of the city. At 12:54, Tippit radioed that he had moved as directed. By then several messages had been broadcast describing a suspect in the killing of Kennedy[19] as a slender white male, in his early thirties, 5 feet 10 inches (1.78 m) tall, and weighing about 165 pounds (75 kg). Oswald was a slender white male, 24 years old, 5 feet 9 inches (1.75 m) tall, and an estimated weight of 150 pounds (68 kg) at autopsy.[20]

At approximately 1:11–1:14 p.m.,[17] Tippit was driving slowly eastward on East 10th Street — about 100 feet (30 m) past the intersection of 10th Street and Patton Avenue — when he pulled alongside a man who resembled the police description.[21][22] Oswald walked over to Tippit's car and apparently exchanged words with him through an open vent window.[23] Tippit opened his car door and as he walked toward the front of the car, Oswald drew his handgun and fired four shots in rapid succession. One bullet hit Tippit in the chest, one in the stomach, another in his right temple (one bullet hit a button and did not penetrate his skin). Tippit's body was transported from the scene of the shooting by ambulance to Methodist Hospital, where he was pronounced dead at 1:25 p.m. by Dr. Richard A. Liguori.[7] "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._D._Tippit

[USALiberal]

38. Great point! Thanks for the info! nt

[Awsi Dooger]

41. JFK conspiracy theories are the greatest litmus test of all time

Anyone who believes them has incompetent instincts and sense of probability. During the 24 years I lived in Las Vegas I would use that question immediately toward newcomers to the sports betting scene, to identify if they were worth listening to or not. It was amazingly successful. The ones who scoffed at any notion of a conspiracy were the ones who could properly weigh variables in that realm also.

[Buckeyeblue]

44. That's interesting

Sort of the difference between betting for who you want to win vs. making the smart bet, being able to properly assess the talent.

I think Oliver Stone's film helped keep this conspiracy alive. But then Norman Mailer wrote a book about Oswald that didn't get much attention, mainly, I think, because Mailer's conclusions were that he (Oswald) acted alone.

[Hotler]

28. "I still have the shovel" From the movie Shooter

"those guys on the grassy knoll were dead within an hour."

[oswaldactedalone]

34. Sorry conspiracy theorists

The evidence is overwhelming that oswaldactedalone.

[lostnfound]

47. But why did he do it? Nt

[moondust]

39. LHO and DJT have some things in common.

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Both grew up during the early days of television and it seems both craved the kind of attention they saw people getting on TV. LHO toyed with communism and demonstrations to get attention, even moved to Russia but found out the commies weren't really interested in the loser so he moved back to Texas. Like many Texans, he learned to hate that damn librul JFK.

Drumpf inherited a fortune so he could do whatever he wanted. Didn't have to work or learn anything. Self-promotion and self-aggrandizement were this rich kid's way of getting the attention he craved; it's still all he really knows.

LHO's big opportunity knocked in the days leading up to the JFK visit to Dallas. LHO found out the motorcade route would pass right by his workplace and the alarm bells went off in his head. This was his big chance to become the center of the universe with TV cameras and everything! He was gonna be somebody big after all.

I doubt somebody with a grand conspiracy would risk it all on someone as unpredictable as LHO who was liable to spill the beans, say or do anything to get attention.



November 22, 1963

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

tldr; Desperate little man desperately seeking attention and fame is presented with the opportunity of a lifetime and he takes it.

[Kentonio]

42. It's possible to believe that LHO killed JFK, yet still want an explanation for these events

There appear to be lots of strange events surrounding his time in Russia and about CIA people being linked to him prior to the shooting. It would be good to get some clarity on that stuff, without the assumption that other people were actually involved in the assassination.