How about Nancy Pelosi for "Person of the Year"

[Cyrano]

The Republican propaganda machine has made Nancy Pelosi a hated name/person. It's the same thing they did to Hillary, and are consistently trying to do to any Democrat who becomes a "threat" to them: Adam "Schitt," Alexandria Ocasa Cortez, Maxine Waters, and so many others.

But after 25 plus years of destroying the name "Hillary," they are now doing anything and everything to destroy the name "Nancy Pelosi." And, imo, too many Democrats are buying into, and influenced by, their non-stop, mind-fucking propaganda.

If it weren't for Nancy Pelosi, we might not have won the House. She busted her ass in fund raising and backing Dem candidates country wide. She deserves more credit than anyone or anything else (except possibly for hatred of Trump) for making the "blue wave" happen.

She knows that a new generation is ready to take over. And she's already acknowledged (subtlety) that it's time to move on. (If she publicly states that this is her last term as Speaker, she's making herself an ineffective lame duck.)

We need her experience and savvy of how Washington works. We need it for a transition period. We need a seasoned professional, knowledgeable in the ways of government, to effectively battle the orange creature.

She's going to pass that torch soon. But she needs a little longer to show the new generation the shit that goes on in DC, how to fight it, and how to rip the power from the bloody hands of the Republican Party and the madman who currently occupies the Oval Office.

Give her the benefit of the doubt and a bit more time. Those with new ideas and new solutions will take over soon enough. But everyone needs, at least, a bit of learning from an old pro who has a lot to teach and to pass on.

And, oh yeah. She should be Time's "Person of the Year." She's done more than anyone else to block the insanity of a madman run amok.

[thegoose]

1. Agreed

She deserves it and Dump's head would explode as a bonus!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. Maybe next year, if it's not Mueller.

She hasn't really done anything yet except scare some dissenting Dems into backing off from challenging her speakership. Wait until the Dems are in control after January and she really has a chance to kick GOP ass hard and make Trump whine like the baby he is.

This year I want Jamal Khashoggi or the Parkland students.

[Hortensis]

10. Ouch! We just had historic wins in the house and

the person who is the current leader of our minority party had nothing to do with it?

There are so many candidates for this notice of who made the most difference, including Trump, but surely extremely few in our nation who belong on that list more than Nancy?

Just as pointing to the single most important person in getting a robust, revolutionary national healthcare program passed would put the spotlight squarely on Pelosi as "the architect" and foremost warrior of the ACA, she also is now considered the single most important person to our midterms successes.

That's huge. It may just turn out to be the pivotal event that changes the downward slide into authoritarianism our nation has been taking and saves our democracy. Many consider the midterms the most important election of our lifetimes so far.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

11. But those wins weren't Pelosi's doing, necessarily. I don't mean to be dissing her at all

because I like her very much and I think she's done a great job, but the "blue wave" is attributable to many forces, of which she was just one. I think next year, when the new House has a chance to drop the hammer on the GOP, will be when everyone gets to see how effective she is.

[Hortensis]

19. Every "POTY" is one of many forces.

Even Trump requires the refusal of majorities in both houses of congress to do their duty for his impact. That's 288 MORE people there, not beginning to count executives in the executive branch, or any others in the media, such as...how about Fox for just one organization? Only count Hannity, or Piro and many others? How about behind the scenes? The big funders, of course. Putin is absolutely on Trump's team when it comes to chaos and destruction.

Nope, Trump's off the list. Consider him next year, maybe?

I think people need to realize we did have a single, most important leader who was influencing and guiding the actions of our party over these last two years building to the midterm victories and that that is the big reason that top leader has been under such intense attack that entire period.

[A DAY IN THE LIFE]

3. Its going to be the new Dem women in Congress

nt

[Cyrano]

4. Love em all. Their time is just about here

But Pelosi has so much experience to pass on. This thread is an attempt to cover a lot more than the "Person of the Year" bullshit.

[UTUSN]

5. My criterion is: Who would chafe SHITLER the most?

Hillary. Even with her being supposedly out of any position, she has been an obsession for two years and counting. Not even OBAMA has been granted that honor by him.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

15. Anybody who isn't him!

He said he couldn't imagine Time choosing anyone but him. I'm just looking forward to his pouty tweets about whoever does get it.

[Girard442]

6. The problem with POTY is that people think of it as an award for excellence.

If you think of it as originally conceived as naming the individual who had the greatest impact, then it's hard to think of anyone else but Trump. After all, Hitler was in 1938.

Let's just rename it to "Turd of the Year."

[oberliner]

8. Trump was Person of the Year in 2016

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

16. That's true. Stalin and Ayatollah Khomeini also got it

and so did Nixon, and they weren't exactly what I'd call excellent. But in recent years Time seems to have been giving the award mostly to people who have had a positive influence. Trump got it in 2016, but that was before he had the opportunity to shit all over everything.

[oberliner]

7. BTS is leading the voting right now

By a pretty comfortable margin.

[Takket]

9. Bts?

[former9thward]

13. It's a South Korean boy band.

Which shows you where the heads are at of the people who read TIME.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

12. Who?

[oberliner]

29. The biggest band in the world

How BTS became the world's biggest boyband

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/oct/11/how-bts-became-the-worlds-biggest-boyband

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. Fortunately, Time doesn't base its selection on its poll.

That's just a fun thing to amuse the masses; the editors make their own decision irrespective of the poll. There were people in that poll that I've never even heard of.

[oberliner]

17. Yes, last year's poll the winner was MBS by a very large margin

[MrScorpio]

18. I'm on board.

[libdem4life]

20. How about shared between AOC, the Native American woman,

the Indian woman, a LGBT woman, or maybe just the entire flock of beautiful women who rattled The Old guard...you know, those dying off. By far. that has been the most impactful occurrence, IMO in this year. The rise of the minority woman. Remember how we all got the major significance of the "college educated, suburban white woman" ad nauseum? They too, as are the old, white men, becoming a minority, themselves. This is Big.

And "A Group" as opposed to One Person, would be another fantastic leap. That's what we're really learning...strength in combined power. Remember, It Takes A Village.

[jalan48]

21. Agreed. It was a watershed year for women in politics.

[libdem4life]

22. Indeed. Women and minorities.

Certainly not to take away from the Democratic men who won/flipped seats...they deserve our gratitude. But for the Time Cover...need something radical and revolutionary and a total win for our country.

[jalan48]

23. Minorities also. I'm interested in seeing what the change will mean in terms of legislation

introduced and enacted as we move forward.

[libdem4life]

24. Well for one thing, they rescinded the 181 year old act

that forbid head wear...against the Jews, originally.

Now, ironically, it has been a Muslim women to strike that down. Progress.

[oberliner]

26. It wasn't against the Jews originally

[libdem4life]

27. Well, OK, then. That's the article I read said.

I'm assuming you know? Be nice to hear rather than just a conradiction..

[oberliner]

28. There were no Jewish members of Congress at the time

And there were no orthodox Jewish members of Congress until much later.

What was the article that you read that said otherwise? Can you post a link?

[libdem4life]

30. Similar article...don't keep links of every bit of knowledge online.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-muslim-lawmaker-elect-proposal-end-head-covering-222721753.html

Even in this case/date...who else could the head gear have been instituted for...perhaps that's why Jews were not there back in the day...just another discrimination to keep them out?

[oberliner]

31. It was about hats

It had nothing to do with religion.

Check this out:

https://history.house.gov/Historical-Highlights/1800-1850/The-debate-over-the-rule-to-ban-hats-on-the-House-Floor/

[libdem4life]

32. I'll just leave this here...thank you for sharing.

"has joined Democratic leaders in drafting an update to a 181-year-old rule to allow for religious exemptions for headwear like the Muslim hijab, Jewish yarmulkes or Sikh turban."

Not one for splitting hairs...pun intended.

[oberliner]

33. Yes, clearly the move to make the change is motivated by religious considerations

My only assertion was that it originally had nothing to do with religion.

[oberliner]

25. Last year they chose "The women who spoke out against sexual abuse and harassment"

As the "Person of the Year"