Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

catbyte

(34,170 posts)
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 02:26 PM Nov 2018

Trump Is Seizing Land From The Tribe That Welcomed The Pilgrims.

About 400 years ago, a man named Tisquantum was kidnapped by an English explorer and taken to Spain as a slave. Miraculously, Tisquantum escaped and returned to the “New World” and to the coastal village where he once lived. In the years he was gone, his entire family died of disease.

A short time later, struggling, desperate English settlers arrived on the shores where his tribe, the Wampanoag, still lived. Tisquantum was key to their survival. Because of his time in Europe, he could speak English. He helped the settlers plant corn and survive winter, and he brokered a peace agreement, without which their colony ― and, by extension, the United States ― would have never existed. The first treaty and the first land grant to the white settlers in North America were translated by this man.

snip...

On Sept. 7, Cedric Cromwell, the chairman of the Mashpee Wampanoag Tribe received a letter from Tara Sweeney, the assistant secretary of Indian affairs at the Department of the Interior, informing him that his tribe no longer fit the legal definition of “Indian” and would be losing its reservation status. This is the first time that land held under special status for tribes has been taken out of trust since Harry Truman’s presidency. “The same country that we helped form is now turned against us,” Cromwell told HuffPost this week. “It’s quite frightening that our own country is attacking us during the holiday that we helped establish.”

The legal battle over the Mashpee reservation started in 2016, when casino developer Neil Bluhm wanted to open a casino in a part of Massachusetts set aside for tribal gaming only. He financially backed a small group of residents from the city of Taunton, where the tribe planned to open a casino, to sue the Department of Interior, demanding the agency revoke the reservation’s trust status. In July 2016, the Taunton residents won.

snip...

http://accesspressmag.com/trump-is-seizing-land-from-the-tribe-that-welcomed-the-pilgrims/

---------------------------------

That fucker is trying to kill us off all over again. I cannot believe the level of evil that orange monster has wrought. I'm sure this all stems from that asshole's conflicts with casinos. I hate that thing with the heat of a thousand suns.

23 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Trump Is Seizing Land From The Tribe That Welcomed The Pilgrims. (Original Post) catbyte Nov 2018 OP
That is horrifying. The Wampanoag have taken enough shit over the centuries, simply because Squinch Nov 2018 #1
K & R for exposure. SunSeeker Nov 2018 #2
Right of "Discovery" shadowmayor Nov 2018 #3
This started while Trump was still owning & managing casinos FakeNoose Nov 2018 #4
Trump's reversing an Obama-era placement of 321 acres Hortensis Nov 2018 #20
He's a scumbag, plain and simple. jcmaine72 Nov 2018 #5
Re: "Tisquantum was key to their survival" TwistOneUp Nov 2018 #6
I think that sentance is referring to helping the English survive. At least that is how I read it. sdfernando Nov 2018 #9
If that is the case, please ignore my statement! nt TwistOneUp Nov 2018 #10
How did he do that, exactly? Mariana Nov 2018 #14
Um, yeah, they do. TwistOneUp Nov 2018 #16
Source, please? Mariana Nov 2018 #18
The legal definition of American Indian is: pazzyanne Nov 2018 #7
There is no bottom potone Nov 2018 #8
We are celebrating Thanksgiving today because that's when all the family could make it. Stonepounder Nov 2018 #11
Smash and grab thieves look for vulnerable targets. n/t TygrBright Nov 2018 #12
I am descended from both NA and pilgrims. Marrah_Goodman Nov 2018 #13
NA and pilgrims? Musta been a great after-dinner party. JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2018 #21
LMAO Marrah_Goodman Nov 2018 #22
What evil devastating news in a letter Cha Nov 2018 #15
He is so evil. (eom) StevieM Nov 2018 #17
I don't get it. jmowreader Nov 2018 #19
He is not seizing the land hack89 Nov 2018 #23

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
1. That is horrifying. The Wampanoag have taken enough shit over the centuries, simply because
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 02:35 PM
Nov 2018

they chose to ally with the English in the very beginning.

This is sickening.

I am sorry, catbyte.

FakeNoose

(32,351 posts)
4. This started while Trump was still owning & managing casinos
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 03:28 PM
Nov 2018

He didn't like the competition from the Indian Reservations, but he's been out of casinos for what, 30 years now?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
20. Trump's reversing an Obama-era placement of 321 acres
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 06:57 AM
Nov 2018

of land into a trust for the Mashpee Wampanoag Tribe. The Wampanoags have been fighting for ownership of lands that have become increasingly valuable for many decades now, of course a moral issue, as well as legal and economic, but the current one isn't whether the tribe greeted the Pilgrims or conducted the first Thanksgiving but legal permission for a projected $1B casino project.

Timeline: Road to reservation for Mashpee Wampanoag
https://www.capecodtimes.com/news/20180907/timeline-road-to-reservation-for-mashpee-wampanoag

So, since the trust was set up in the Obama era the Wampoanoags have now struck out in the courts a couple of times and with Trump's Interior Department. With 2 branches down, the Wampanoag hopes lie with congress. Elizabeth Warren and Ed Markey, MA's senators, have been involved on the tribe's side.

This article indicates the issue of whether tribes can claim trust status for newly acquired land under federal law, rather than state authority, hinges on the interpretation of “now under federal jurisdiction” in the 1934 law and how tribes can establish they had been in order to be able to set up land trusts under that federal law. Perhaps congress will choose to provide a tighter interpretation.

https://www.capecodtimes.com/news/20180907/interior-department-deals-blow-to-mashpee-wampanoag-tribe

TwistOneUp

(1,020 posts)
6. Re: "Tisquantum was key to their survival"
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 03:36 PM
Nov 2018

Not least because Tisquantum brought back antibodies with him from Europe.

TwistOneUp

(1,020 posts)
16. Um, yeah, they do.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 01:33 AM
Nov 2018

You breathe 'em out if you have even a tiny amount of fluid in your lungs.

You sneeze 'em out.

That's just two ways.

Mariana

(14,849 posts)
18. Source, please?
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 02:05 AM
Nov 2018

You generally have to be exposed to the actual pathogen and grow your own antibodies. That's how vaccines work.

You can have other people's antibodies injected into you and that will work for a little while, but I don't think they were doing much of that in the 1600's.

You don't catch antibodies when people cough on you.

https://www2a.cdc.gov/nip/isd/ycts/mod1/courses/genrec/10215.asp?seg=B

pazzyanne

(6,518 posts)
7. The legal definition of American Indian is:
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 03:55 PM
Nov 2018

NOUN
a member of any of the indigenous peoples of North, Central, and South America, especially those of North America.

Seems to me that they meet the definition. Oh, wait! Ryan Zinke, that upstanding fellow " is head of the Department of Interior. I do hope that someone is looking into legal standing based on the letter's definition.

And then there is this:

Territorial sovereignty: Tribal authority on Indian land is organic and is not granted by the states in which Indian lands are located.

Plenary power doctrine: Congress, and not the Executive Branch or Judicial Branch, has ultimate authority with regard to matters affecting the Indian tribes. Federal courts give greater deference to Congress on Indian matters than on other subjects.

Trust relationship: The federal government has a "duty to protect" the tribes, implying (courts have found) the necessary legislative and executive authorities to effect that duty.[9]

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
11. We are celebrating Thanksgiving today because that's when all the family could make it.
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 04:50 PM
Nov 2018

This just ruined my appetite.

This Orange Pol Pot is evil incarnate.

Marrah_Goodman

(1,586 posts)
13. I am descended from both NA and pilgrims.
Fri Nov 23, 2018, 05:20 PM
Nov 2018

I decided a while back to celebrate Thanksgiving as a remembrance that one part of my family tree was loving and giving to strangers, even though those strangers did not share the same goodness of spirit. That is the part of my spirit I want to feed.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,283 posts)
21. NA and pilgrims? Musta been a great after-dinner party.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 09:19 AM
Nov 2018

I am descended from new arrivals from shit-hole countries.

Marrah_Goodman

(1,586 posts)
22. LMAO
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 01:46 PM
Nov 2018

My native american ancestor is my great grandmother she moved to Plymouth from the west coast, but I love your after-party idea. Maybe then things would have turned out differently

Cha

(295,913 posts)
15. What evil devastating news in a letter
Sat Nov 24, 2018, 04:16 AM
Nov 2018

from the Vile Monster trump.

I hope when he's Gone.. something can be done about this.

jmowreader

(50,452 posts)
19. I don't get it.
Sun Nov 25, 2018, 05:20 AM
Nov 2018

Neil Bluhm, according to his OpenSecrets page, donates exclusively to Democrats. Besides the joy of wanting to fuck over everyone, why would Trump lift a finger to help him?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
23. He is not seizing the land
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 02:06 PM
Nov 2018

it was only taken into trust three years ago but previous to that it was owned by the Wampanoag tribe. It is still owned by the tribe.


This has everything to do with casino politics in Mass - the Taunton land was purchased in 2011 by the tribe for the express purpose of building a casino.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Trump Is Seizing Land Fro...