CALLED OUT C-SPAN caller tells Christian leader live on air: 'You're a fake Christian who worships D

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During an appearance on C-SPAN this Tuesday, evangelical firebrand and Family Research Council president Tony Perkins got an earful from a caller who described himself as a former evangelical who went back to being a “true Christian.”

The caller, who identified himself as “Steve” from North Carolina, told Perkins that a “true Christian follows the teachings of Jesus.”

“Evangelicals have become paranoid, white Christians losing their country to minorities,” Steve said. “They have only one goal and that is to keep America white and Christian. And that’s exactly opposite of what Christianity is. Christianity is about love and helping others and taking care of others.”

As an uncomfortable Perkins sat and listened, Steve went on to say that evangelicals “have become paranoid, white Christians losing their country to minorities.”

[RKP5637]

1. Definitely, and very well said!!! n/t

[Initech]

2. Tony Perkins is a Trump yes man.

He supports a guy who literally locked children in cages and separated them from their parents. He doesn't get to say what he thinks is right for children anymore.

[Mariana]

8. Tony Perkins doesn't get to say what he thinks?

United States Constitution, Amendment I: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Of course, you and Steve from North Carolina and everyone else get to say what you think about Perkins.

[Initech]

9. Yeah true.

I just, I'm so fucking sick of these holier than thou religious assholes using children as an excuse and then they go and do something so horribly wrong and inexcusable that it's hard to take them seriously anymore.

I don't want to say that they lose their right to free speech, but really, they can go fuck themselves.

[Mariana]

41. I'm with you. nt.

[Progressive Jones]

22. Of course he gets to say what he thinks.

Those of us who think he's nuts get to say what we want, too.

[Initech]

24. Yeah exactly.

I'm not saying silence anyone for their opinions (not touching that one with a 10 foot pole), just pointing out how hypocritical their arguments are.

[catbyte]

28. I believe that Initech meant morally, not literally.

[cannabis_flower]

40. Congress shall make no law. ..

But these fake Christians aren't protected from what you or I or Steve from North Carolina. I'm tired of people misinterpreting the constitution to include protecting people from public opinion.

[Nitram]

59. Mariana, you don't understand the First Amendment. Of course Perkins gets to say what he thinks. Did

anyone stop him from expressing himself in public and on TV? By the same token, anyone is free to criticize him for what he thinks, and to point out his hypocrisy any time they like.

[Achilleaze]

3. There you have it. Fake 'christians' (R) are a blot upon the earth and sky.

They even worship & submit to a draft-dodging, casino-hustling, sexual predator who tells on average 6-10 bold face, documented lies each and every day. So that tells you oodles about republican 'christians,' and their money hustling 'preachers' 'leaders' and 'role models.'

[renate]

39. That cartoon is EVERYTHING nt

[calimary]

43. Worshipping the Golden Shaft.

[padfun]

52. A bull that has udders.

I am not a country boy so I couldn't really tell you if a cow has horns, or just the bull.

[GulfCoast66]

56. Horns are not sex dependent. But breed.

Most cattle have horns.

[chwaliszewski]

54. How true.

That's exactly what I think of when someone mentions Cult45.

[brewens]

4. Jesus probably didn't look like some surfer dude either. The worst I ever saw was at

a Mormon church. It was in this conference room where I was registering blood donors. Their Jesus looked like Robin Zander from Cheap Trick!

[hatrack]

53. But could he sing?

[oldlibdem]

58. in most renditions of him...

He looks like a front man for a british invasion rock band circa 1969. On another note, did you see the nat geo doc where they did
a rendition of what Jesus actually looked like? Funny stuff man, he looked like a neanderthal and the right wing wasps lost their collective shit when the show aired! I still chuckle about that'n.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

5. "Worships D". What/who is D? Is there .orw to

That quote? Is that part of that caller said ?

[Julian Englis]

11. The "D" word is actually two words that rhyme with Infected Dump n/t

[crazycatlady]

49. The D I'm thinking of would contradict his organization's stance on a major issue

[oasis]

6. Viewing that would've made my Thanksgiving Weekend complete!

[mockmonkey]

7. video

[LuckyCharms]

16. Thank you for the video. n/t

[dembotoz]

25. What a pos

[Demonaut]

35. Truth?...truth?...and he supports Donald? they're leaving because of Tony Perkins

[oberliner]

10. "Christianity is about love and helping others" is not accurate either

[John Fante]

12. Evangelicals didn't get the memo then.

That's exactly what they claim Christianity is.

[oberliner]

14. An evangelical believes the best way to "help others" is to convert them to Christianity

[atreides1]

18. Their version of "Christianity"

[oberliner]

20. The basics tenets of evangelicalism are these

The Bible is the highest authority for what I believe.

It is very important for me personally to encourage non-Christians to trust Jesus Christ as their Savior.

Jesus Christ’s death on the cross is the only sacrifice that could remove the penalty of my sin.

Only those who trust in Jesus Christ alone as their Savior receive God’s free gift of eternal salvation.

https://www.nae.net/what-is-an-evangelical/

[ck4829]

19. A religion is what we all make it. These are the Christians we want on our side.

[oberliner]

21. But can Christianity be just whatever each individual person says it is?

That seems problematic.

[Gore1FL]

34. I've never met a Christian that didn't take the cafeteria approach when it comes to the Bible. nt

[oberliner]

46. If that is the case, then it isn't really fair to call anyone a "fake Christian"

[Gore1FL]

50. It depends on what you think a Christian is.

That, too, is subjective.

I am neither a real nor fake Christian.

[LanternWaste]

63. It applies to nationalism, economics, politics and philosophy as well.

Most arguments are predicated on fluid definitions which have no authority vis-a-vis one another. Yes, it is problematic. has been since the dawn of written history.

This is new to you? Surprising, but then again, not.

[thucythucy]

30. Perhaps not entirely

but there's enough in what Jesus was allegedly supposed to have said to make KGOP Christian heads explode, if they ever seriously thought about any of it.

The whole riff about Christ rejecting "Christians" because "I was sick and you didn't care for me, I was hungry and thirsty and you didn't feed me, I was in prison and you never visited me..." and the phony Christian says, "When did I ever see you sick or hungry or thirsty or in prison..." and Christ says "Inasmuch as you didn't do shit for the least of my brothers, you didn't do shit for me." (Obviously a paraphrase). I always loved that Christ included visiting people in prison as one of his requisites And then too his take on "prosperity consciousness"-- "A rich man getting into heaven is about as likely as a camel passing through the eye of a needle" and "If you want to follow me sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor."

"Judge not lest ye be judged."--but all evangelicals do is judge others. It's the core of their faith.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"--which sticks it to all the fake moralists out there.

So there's lots of good stuff there, which seemingly gets ignored by Evangelicals, at least the ones I've run across.

I say all this as a confirmed agnostic. I very much doubt that Jesus was any sort of Messiah. But you'd think those who profess to believe his every word was divine revelation would pay attention to how much of what he preached had to do with siding with the oppressed as opposed to the oppressors. It is, after all, probably what got him killed.

[oberliner]

47. Those are good points

I agree with the above posters who talked about how many Christians take a pick-and-choose sort of approach.

Some of the "divine revelation" seems to contradict itself at times.

Also, a central idea seems to be that you must accept Jesus or you will suffer in some way or another.

[thucythucy]

51. The irony is that, not being a Christian,

I can pick and choose the stuff I like and say the man made some solid points.

It's the avowed "Evangelical Christians" who say you have to take it as all or nothing, who then discount everything he's supposed to have said that makes them personally uncomfortable.

[summer_in_TX]

37. Love and service, service and love.

Love in action. That's what those who follow Christ try to live up to. The evangelicals have it so wrong.

[oberliner]

48. That is one interpretation of the religion

And certainly one that I would endorse.

But I don't see how it can be considered the "right one" and the evangelicals have the "wrong one".

I don't know.

[summer_in_TX]

62. The test is whether it is consistent with what Jesus taught.

The way anyone who studies the Bible can know beyond the shadow of a doubt that the rightwing white evangelicals have it wrong is by looking at the pattern of Jesus's life and words.

Some assume that strain of so-called Christianity was a response to Roe v. Wade. But it came about immediately after desegregation took hold, well before Roe v. Wade. It is a throwback to the segregationist Southern white church that justified slavery as biblical and preached the inferiority of minorities.

But mainline denominations generally have educational and other requirements for clergy and supervise their adherence to Scripture and sound doctrine. They don't allow unqualified people who say they have "a call" to be ordained and preach under the mantle of authority of the denomination.

I was very prejudiced towards Christians and Christianity and my understanding that it was rigid and right wing when to my surprise I became a convert. I have since studied the Bible thoroughly and to my surprise there is a whole lot very consistent with a liberal, social justice perspective. Not at all what the media portrayals which focus on extreme outliers led me to believe.

[paleotn]

13. Tony Perkins is a charlatan and a con-man

He has no love for Jesus or anyone else but himself. Christianity is his shtick. Hate and fear are his tools. His mission is to congregate and then live off the haters and bigots who are too stupid to realize they're being conned. His collection of grifters will on occasion throw a few bucks at poor people to maintain the impression of a Christian charitable organization, but like Franklin Graham's open sewer, that's merely a wafer thin vainer. What it's really about, like the majority of Christian organizations on the right, is to bilk the stupid out of their money by ginning up a whole heaping helping of hate and fear. Lucrative work, if you have no soul.

[TxVietVet]

15. AMEN!

tRump and his Xtian supporters =

[ck4829]

17. That's what we're talking about. K&R!

[thegoose]

23. Evilgelicals are worshipping the Mushroom

Christian my ass.

[workinclasszero]

26. The evangelical GOP right warned us time and time again about the anti-christ

Then he finally showed up and they overwhelmingly voted for and approved of his pussy grabbing ways!

Trump is the devil they love!

[moonseller66]

27. Dear Tony

You might find this a bit tough to accept but:
Your religion is NOT my law!

[Martin Eden]

29. The Evangelical Right believes their religion is under assault, but they are their own worst enemies

Young people see the hate, the racism, and support for policies that comfort the rich while afflicting the poor. They get turned off to religion and want nothing to do with such a contemptible bunch of hymn singing hypocrites.

[elmac]

31. the few good Christains, and I emphasize few, should go after these fake Christains

because they drive people away from religion, are the real anti-Christ.

[summer_in_TX]

38. We do.

These fake Christians get a lot more press, because they go for power and wealth. Real Christianss are usually less in the public eye or when they are they aren't pushy (Obama, Jimmy Carter). I spend a lot of time on Twitter countering bad theology. It infuriates me. They defame the character of Jesus by claiming they are following him when they really are following their own judgmentalism and lust for power and control.

[Honeycombe8]

32. Part of Christianity is to convert other people, though. Not just do good & believe in Jesus & such.

Conversion is supposedly in the Bible as a duty of the believers. So it follows that they wouldn't want the country flooded with non-Christians, unless they can convert them.

I don't know if other religions have that as part of their faith.

This is one reason we have separation of church and state.

[oldlibdem]

33. Who was it that said...

"When facism comes to this country it will come wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross"? Mayby Menkin? But any time I hear these
evangelical types preach this is what I think of.

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

36. It's attributed to Sinclair Lewis

Who may or may not have said it.

[oldlibdem]

57. ok thank you

n/t

[UCmeNdc]

42. Evangelicals Pimp Jesus. They use his name to satisfy their own needs.

[JohnnyRingo]

44. Perkins sold his soul to the GOP long ago.

He's only in it for the Shekels now. Tony Perkins is as much a spiritual guide as Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.

[GarColga]

45. White evangelicals have ALWAYS been a-holes

They have opposed every social advance since the freeing of the slaves - the Southern Baptist Convention was founded for the express purpose of defending the "divine institution" of slavery. They fought to keep mixed-race marriages illegal and busted out some of the same bible verses to fight same-sex marriage. Women's suffrage, legalized abortion, you name it they were against it. They have always been a secular movement posturing as "Christians".

[Garrett78]

55. Perkins is an asshole who should be confronted, but I don't know what a true/fake Christian is.

The No True Scotsman principle applies here.

[ck4829]

61. I honestly think we're the only people who talk about No True Scotsman

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Tony Perkins himself has said liberal Christians don't count as "real Christians", that they aren't a real religion.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/tony-perkins-arbiter-of-christianity-says-pro-gay-christians-dont-have-same-religious-rights-as-conservatives/

Fox News and talk radio fill the airwaves with talk of the "Real Americans", nobody ever interrupts and says "Hold on, No True Scotsman."

We're hobbling ourselves with this ultimately informal fallacy that the other side doesn't care one spit about IMHO.

[keithbvadu2]

60. Would believe Trump over Jesus for credibility...

Would believe Trump over Jesus for credibility...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/11/21/trump_voter_if_jesus_christ_came_down_from_the_cross_and_told_me_trump_was_with_russia_i_wouldnt_believe_him.html

About 2:55 on the timeline.

"Let me tell you," he continued. "If Jesus Christ gets down off the cross and told me Trump is with Russia, I would tell him, hold on a second, I need to check with the president if it is true. That is how confident I feel in the president."