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Theresa May is in serious trouble (Original Post) malaise Nov 2018 OP
GOOD! AZ8theist Nov 2018 #1
Putin and the Con malaise Nov 2018 #2
Agree Renew Deal Nov 2018 #37
That old adage... True Dough Nov 2018 #3
Yep malaise Nov 2018 #4
Might not others in the world say the same of our election of Trump? n/t elocs Nov 2018 #17
Sadly, yes True Dough Nov 2018 #18
They would have a point but Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #23
Unfortunately. Only half that is true. CincyDem Nov 2018 #26
You can call it a democratic process all you want Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #27
You know as well as everybody should that our presidents are not elected elocs Nov 2018 #38
Gee, thanks for the civics lesson that I so did not need Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #39
Oh and, if we were to ever win an election the same way you better believe I wouldn't complain about Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #40
a hot mess all around. JHan Nov 2018 #5
After what she did to our Windrush folks and their descendants malaise Nov 2018 #6
good to see push back against it , though the way they've drawn up the compensation rules JHan Nov 2018 #9
Not just that but deporting people who helped England country recover malaise Nov 2018 #10
Didn't know about her role in that. Figures. Just vile. suffragette Nov 2018 #30
She is the enforcer- here's an excellent read malaise Nov 2018 #32
Thanks for this link. It is truly vile and racist what May and her crew have done to people who suffragette Nov 2018 #33
I didn't see that malaise Nov 2018 #34
It's a full series each year. Look for series 13, episode 7 for one of the Windrush tributes. suffragette Nov 2018 #35
Thanks malaise Nov 2018 #36
This whole shit show Thyla Nov 2018 #7
Moggie couldn't even get 48 letters to trigger a leadership contest ! He is a creep though, and is OnDoutside Nov 2018 #11
That's true Thyla Nov 2018 #24
Hi Malaise OnDoutside Nov 2018 #8
Great post! malaise Nov 2018 #12
She'll sail off into the sunset with a nice pension and a seat in the House of Lords if she wants. OnDoutside Nov 2018 #13
True malaise Nov 2018 #14
Probably having regular porkial relations ;) There are noises that he wants to have his say. OnDoutside Nov 2018 #15
Hahaha malaise Nov 2018 #16
What is porkial? Never saw that word before used. nt Blue_true Nov 2018 #25
Sorry. OnDoutside Nov 2018 #29
He's writing his memoirs, and putting out feelers about a return to politics muriel_volestrangler Nov 2018 #20
Hilarious malaise Nov 2018 #21
Great post. Yeah, the way she became PM always struck me as the classic image of an Army 'volunteer" suffragette Nov 2018 #31
The UK needs to have a new vote on Brexit Gothmog Nov 2018 #19
Source? triron Nov 2018 #22
Here malaise Nov 2018 #28

True Dough

(17,246 posts)
18. Sadly, yes
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 12:02 PM
Nov 2018

It stinks for those who opposed Trump and opposed Brexit, but the voters had their say (although there are rightfully questions about the voting process). But there's no turning back on Brexit and no turning back on Trump, so until a new government is in place and can reverse course or make major adjustments, serious consequences will be realized.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
23. They would have a point but
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 02:20 PM
Nov 2018

Remember that Trump did not get a majority of votes. He's an undemocratically elected leader.

CincyDem

(6,336 posts)
26. Unfortunately. Only half that is true.
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 03:33 PM
Nov 2018

Less popular vote. Check.

But...as you well know, our “democratic” process are based on the electoral college. I’m not a fan but we consider 271ev as the win.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
27. You can call it a democratic process all you want
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 03:39 PM
Nov 2018

But if somebody with less votes wins then it is inherently undemocratic.

North Korea call themselves the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. I don't think anybody's really buying that one.

elocs

(22,541 posts)
38. You know as well as everybody should that our presidents are not elected
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 07:52 PM
Nov 2018

by popular vote. And if Hillary had won in the same way as Trump did you wouldn't hear a peep here about him winning the popular vote.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
39. Gee, thanks for the civics lesson that I so did not need
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 07:55 PM
Nov 2018

Yes, I am aware of how our system works. And it is not democratic. Have a nice day.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
40. Oh and, if we were to ever win an election the same way you better believe I wouldn't complain about
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 08:02 PM
Nov 2018

it. But that has way more to do with the fact that the Repukes have now won that way twice so turnabout is fair play. It wouldn't be because I think that the electoral college is a good or democratic thing.

malaise

(268,693 posts)
6. After what she did to our Windrush folks and their descendants
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 07:35 AM
Nov 2018

I wish her no good. She's just another racist monster.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
9. good to see push back against it , though the way they've drawn up the compensation rules
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 07:37 AM
Nov 2018

reeks of fuckery.

"compensation".. how about not fucking deporting people who have been there decades, paying fucking taxes and contributing to the economy.

malaise

(268,693 posts)
10. Not just that but deporting people who helped England country recover
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 07:40 AM
Nov 2018

after WW2. She was Home Secretary when thie madness started.

malaise

(268,693 posts)
32. She is the enforcer- here's an excellent read
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 05:38 PM
Nov 2018

She pushed this vile racist crap when she was at the Home Office - doesn't know crap about Windrush folks history. They begged our people to come after theirs were killed in the war.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/01/may-windrush-victims-hostile-environment

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
33. Thanks for this link. It is truly vile and racist what May and her crew have done to people who
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 05:55 PM
Nov 2018

came to the UK in the spirit of helpfulness and hard work.

On another note, I’m a fan of “Great British Menu” and it was wonderful seeing so many top chefs in the UK bring more positive attention to the contributions made by the Windrush generation during their tribute to the NHS season.

malaise

(268,693 posts)
34. I didn't see that
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 06:00 PM
Nov 2018

I need to look for it. Thanks.
What was done will never be forgiven. What's interesting is that Brexit means they now need more economic ties with us so the fake apology had to come.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
35. It's a full series each year. Look for series 13, episode 7 for one of the Windrush tributes.
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 06:36 PM
Nov 2018

There were more, but can’t think of which episodes they were in at the moment.

Thyla

(791 posts)
7. This whole shit show
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 07:35 AM
Nov 2018

Would be funny if it wasn't so serious.
The sheer level of incompetence over the last couple of years is staggering.
If you think it's fucked now wait for that creepy bastard Rees-Mogg to be in charge.

OnDoutside

(19,948 posts)
11. Moggie couldn't even get 48 letters to trigger a leadership contest ! He is a creep though, and is
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 07:41 AM
Nov 2018

so hypocritical, he moved his investment company to Dublin, in preparation for Brexit !

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/jacob-rees-mogg-s-group-launches-second-irish-fund-1.3573675

Thyla

(791 posts)
24. That's true
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 02:34 PM
Nov 2018

The cretins are all waiting to for the vote on the bill first, if it doesn't pass then it's going to get messy. As you said in another post, not many options left for poor Theresa.

OnDoutside

(19,948 posts)
8. Hi Malaise
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 07:37 AM
Nov 2018


We should be clear, May was ALWAYS in trouble ! She's only in the position because those cowards (Johnson, Davies, Gove etc) didn't want to be the one going down in history as having "delivered" Brexit. May doesn't have a long term future as PM....push is coming to shove.

Also, the Brexit deal she agreed to, just allows the UK to trade under the EU umbrella, until they get their shit together (which could be years). During that time, they will have given up their MEPs, any EU Commissioners and probably representation at Prime Ministerial level meetings.

The plan put out by Downing Street, basically gives her 3 attempts at trying to get this through. If she fails at that point, then she either resigns, calls a General Election or goes to a Referendum (I think there may well be two, as there are three options).

OnDoutside

(19,948 posts)
13. She'll sail off into the sunset with a nice pension and a seat in the House of Lords if she wants.
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 07:54 AM
Nov 2018

Whoever takes over from her will have a far less easy time !

OnDoutside

(19,948 posts)
15. Probably having regular porkial relations ;) There are noises that he wants to have his say.
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 08:09 AM
Nov 2018

Needless to say, it is not being received well !

In truth, if you had a choice between Blair, Cameron or the Clap, the Clap is looking a lot better !!!

muriel_volestrangler

(101,265 posts)
20. He's writing his memoirs, and putting out feelers about a return to politics
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 02:09 PM
Nov 2018

which got roundly laughed at (he thought he'd make a jolly decent Foreign Secretary, apparently). The memoirs are, I guess, proving a bit difficult to spin positively. "How I Screwed GB as Well as a Pig" isn't a title people would pay for.

https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/david-cameron-foreign-secretary

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
31. Great post. Yeah, the way she became PM always struck me as the classic image of an Army 'volunteer"
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 05:33 PM
Nov 2018

with everyone else taking a deliberate step back to leave her alone in the front.

malaise

(268,693 posts)
28. Here
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 03:40 PM
Nov 2018
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/15/six-possible-scenarios-in-light-of-theresa-may-brexit-deal

Six possible scenarios in light of Theresa May's Brexit deal
If draft withdrawal agreement is rejected this could trigger vote of no confidence, snap election or people’s vote
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