Schadenfreude continues: Seth Moulton begs Pelosi to answer his phone calls as ouster plot crashes..

[hlthe2b]

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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/sad-10

Seth Moulton, head of the 16-signer-letter anti-Pelosi group, now wants to sue for terms from Leader Pelosi. But she apparently won’t take his calls. So he’s forced to go to The Washington Post’s Robert Costa to sue for terms. Actually, it’s now a 14 signer letter since two of Moulton’s fellow 16 – Reps. Higgins and Lynch – already bailed out while Moulton was still on the plane.

As his campaign crumbles, Moulton now says he wants a sit-down with Pelosi for a negotiation that would apparently involve her booting her two deputies – Hoyer and Clyburn – to the curb in exchange for younger members of the caucus.
For what it’s worth, that wouldn’t be a bad thing, at least in the abstract. All three top members of the Democratic leadership are either 78 or 79 years old. It’s time to start grooming future members of the leadership. It’s not that I necessarily think Hoyer and Clyburn should go. But Pelosi is not going and her experience and ability make it unwise to let her go. You have to start somewhere.

At the same time, repositioning toward ousting Hoyer and Clyburn looks very much like a desperate attempt on Moulton and Co’s part to win something, even if Pelosi stays, as their gambit plummets to the earth. Pelosi does not need them. And with their numbers dwindling, they have very little power to negotiate, let alone dictate.

and more:
https://www.politicususa.com/2018/11/26/anti-pelosi-house-democrats-surrender-and-admit-defeat.html

What the white male Democrats tried to pull on Pelosi is the same stunt that the far right pulled on John Boehner and Paul Ryan with regularity. The Democrats who opposed Nancy Pelosi did so out of ageism, sexism, and blind personal ambition. These guys didn’t care about what was best for their party. They wanted power, and they didn’t want to wait for it.

[qazplm135]

1. If you shoot at the Queen

you better not miss as they say.

[Afromania]

2. Crash and burn buddy

Pelosi is going be 80 (kicking 81 in the head) when we take back the presidency and senate. There will be lots of work to be done and not nearly enough time to do it. Moulton is 40 and had time to build himself up to take on a bigger role in the post Pelosi era. It pisses me off how some of these fuckers are trying hard to grab defeat from victory with this nonsense. I say "had" because it sounds like he managed to burn his bridges quite nicely.

[True Blue American]

16. Nancy is already putting younger people in place

To train them. Right now we need experience.

Moulton and Ryan are much like the Republican Tea Party. Most of the others have come out to back Pelosi. We do not need fighting and back stabbing at this time.

[Merlot]

19. Exactly. Pelosi is smart and does what's best for the party.

No doubt she's been grooming and mentoring many people, and they are lucky to get her experience, to see her in action.

[Me.]

3. He Needs To Get On His Knees

for starters

[Gothmog]

42. The Pathetic Pelosi Putsch

This story makes me smile. Moulton comes off looking like a putsch https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/11/26/speaker-nancy-pelosi-revolt-seth-moulton-222686

Two days after the election, Moulton declared that his crew was committed to voting against Pelosi on the House floor, where only a handful of renegade Democrats would be needed to deny her a winning majority. The following week, he said he was “100 percent confident” he had the votes, and Pelosi’s time was up.

And yet she’s still here.

Pelosi strides into Wednesday’s House Democratic Caucus elections with her head held high, and her high heels on Moulton’s neck. She remains without a Democratic challenger. She has unleashed a wave of support from the Democratic faithful, from Barack Obama on down. She turned two of Moulton’s allies who had, just days before, stated their opposition to her. A third opponent suggested he’ll vote for Pelosi on the floor if no other Democratic option emerges. And she has kept several other Serve America PAC alumni from jumping aboard Moulton’s rickety bandwagon. While Pelosi isn’t completely in the clear for the final vote on January 3 on the House floor—with Moulton clinging to 14 fellow holdouts and eight other Democrats in the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus playing hard to get—she unquestionably holds the whip hand.

Dumping a historic figure like Pelosi, the first female speaker, after she weathered a Republican blitzkrieg to help her party win back the House, was always going to be a tall order. (And don’t say I didn’t warn them!) But Moulton’s operation has been, to borrow some military jargon, FUBAR. He’s poised to not only lose his battle with the party establishment, but to lose in such humiliating fashion that it could ruin his reputation and douse whatever presidential fires may be burning in his belly.

[Me.]

45. I See Politico Has Changed It's Tune

a good omen

[Gothmog]

47. Agreed

This article was not kind to Moultin

[gratuitous]

4. Get ready for the next two years, Seth

You're going to be called "Steph", "Steve", "Seve" or any other "S" names you can think of in caucus meetings. Anything but "Seth." And you will take it with a smile.

[Hortensis]

8. A journalist's impression of him didn't suggest he's

the kind who'll enjoy laughing with others at jokes on him, either. Expect mean.

One of the other #FiveWhiteGuys got his ass handed to him by Pelosi when he tried to block meaningful healthcare reform, and he's reportedly carrying a big grudge.

Nancy's a people collector, but some refuse.

[asiliveandbreathe]

30. I would like to add Sith..power at all cost......eom

[mcar]

5. Thoughts and prayers Seth

[Cirque du So-What]

6. Well, you've really built yourself up into *some*thing

but clearly it's not enough.

[Hortensis]

7. Unbelievable! He couldn't take out Pelosi so he told TPM

he wanted to force her to somehow take out Steny Hoyer and Jim Clyburn?!

Suicidal? Could he be insane and expecting this astonishing "bravery" in the face of overwhelming force to get him another medal?

Seriously, who could have predicted this move?

[erlewyne]

10. Pelosi might be president real soon.

When the Mueller report is in.

Is that why this Pelosi thing has such urgency?

(I really don't believe so .... but why the big rush ... the house has a
lot of work to do).

[Hortensis]

22. Boy, is that something to wonder about.

This could all be explained normally, though. The changing of the guard presents opportunitiesfor people to seek committees and assignments they want, also to act out resentments and bigotries, seek publicity...

But, again. Who can help wondering if Pence could be compromised too bad to succeed Trump? Reportedly, Mueller has not interviewed him in all this time. That possibility seems to be too big for talking heads to chat about even to say it can't happen.

[True Blue American]

25. Seth

[rurallib]

9. Mr. Moulton surely proved he has no place in any leadership position

Wonder what ever gave him the idea revolting against Pelosi was a idea whose time had come?

[erronis]

14. The money-pockets behind him (and the repuglicons)?

Just supposing (since I don't want to make an ass out of me.)

[True Blue American]

26. No,you are quite right

Big money.pacs.

[DownriverDem]

11. Should never

have happened. We win the House and had to endure this crap by Moulton and Company. Disgusting.

[Me.]

46. And Now Big Man/"Problem Solver" Ryan

has put out a tweet begging/imploring Comrade Trump to save Ohio from losing GM jobs.

Begging...is that leadership. I ask you?

[hlthe2b]

12. AND even more...

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/11/26/anti-pelosi-house-democrats-surrender-and-admit-defeat.html

Rep. Moulton doesn’t have a leg to stand on. He doesn’t have enough support to deny Nancy Pelosi the votes she needs to become speaker, so it is fascinating to watch him try to negotiate something when he has no cards to play. Nancy Pelosi doesn’t need to cut a deal, and she certainly shouldn’t agree to any condition like a time limit on her speakership that would weaken her position both with her own caucus and in dealing with Trump and the Republican Party.

Nancy Pelosi isn’t going to make a deal.

What the white male Democrats tried to pull on Pelosi is the same stunt that the far right pulled on John Boehner and Paul Ryan with regularity. The Democrats who opposed Nancy Pelosi did so out of ageism, sexism, and blind personal ambition. These guys didn’t care about what was best for their party. They wanted power, and they didn’t want to wait for it.

[Progressive dog]

13. Moulton and his gang thought

that a small minority could dictate to the majority because they were willing to destroy the Democratic party if they didn't get to run it.
Their plan didn't work.

[padfun]

15. We have to get rid of Moulton.

If not, he will be back. He is never to be trusted. He will never turn liberal.

We need to get rid of others like him as well. We did in California in 2010 (got rid of the Repugs) and the state has been a much better place as a result.

[Merlot]

33. He's from Mass, there must be a few good dems ready to take his place

next primary!

[Blue_true]

35. He represents a district north of Boston.

I have friends that live in it. It used to be one of the more rightward of the Massachusetts districts, but my friends say in recent years, it has become more progressive. I think that a progressive Vet can primary him and win, the military background is important for a challenger.

[George II]

17. Moulton is learning that he is on the verge of being politically castrated. When the coup fails....

....the leaders are rounded up and summarily executed.

He'll be lucky if he gets appointed to the Select Committee on Office Supplies.

[wryter2000]

18. Lessee...I have to chose between Moulton and Clyburn

Clyburn's a force to be reckoned with. Moulton is a flee on a camel's ass.

[ProudLib72]

28. Flea.

You must have been thinking "He'd better flee!"

[getagrip_already]

20. as a MA resident and registered D...

Moulton is politically dead to me. I will happily support a primary opponent.

[dem4decades]

29. Doesn't Moulton represent an area near Boston? Why

Does that area want someone Conservative like him? Or is he not conservative, just a power hungry jerk?

[Blue_true]

36. North of Boston, the rich north shore area.

I have friends that live there. The district has become more diverse income wise over some years. A progressive Vet that lives in the district could primary him and win, according to a couple of opinions.

[getagrip_already]

39. yeah, he got lucky wrt to right time/place.....

But he isn't a great fit for that district. They can do better.

[Blue_true]

40. Some of the people that I know think that they can do better.

But I also don't have conservative friends either (really can't stand that type).

I think that a VoteVet member that has a good background in one of the communities in that district can defeat him and win the General.

Moulton may be trying for a "deal" with Pelosi to cover his ass. In leadership, he would be harder to primary (hard but not impossible as Ocasio-Cortez showed), as a rank and file member, he is easier to primary.

[Merlot]

21. I'm looking forward to the next State of the Union

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Pelosi sitting behind trumpft will drive many repubs crazy. 3rd in line, indeed.

[eleny]

24. Like he loomed behind HRC at the town hall

[Merlot]

32. That's how it will feel to him

[Blue_true]

37. That is going to be great, huh? nt

[DFW]

43. At least no one will be yelling "you lie!"

They'd have to do it about every 90 seconds, and it would get boring (though no less true).

[eleny]

23. I hope Ed Perlmutter realizes how he might have hurt our district

..... .....

[hlthe2b]

34. Yes.. He's only escaping the same focus as Ryan and Moulton because he hasn't been quite so vocal

about it as a "leader" of the movement. I won't forget, though, and I certainly know you won't.

[eleny]

38. Yup, we yanked support and contact the office routinely

I'm ready to contact them again asking what he's going to do to repair the district's reputation. If he gave the impression that he had major support around here then he should resign. We never got a poll from his office or any calls about this issue. As regular donors he had an obligation to contact us about it. That's why I think he acted on his own.

[Gothmog]

27. From the Hoarse Whisperer

Link to tweet

[awesomerwb1]

31. Primary this guy in 2020

Maybe he'll decide to run as a trumpublican.

[Gothmog]

41. From Wonkette

Link to tweet

[dalton99a]

44. +1