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JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 04:11 PM Nov 2018

Centrist Group Behind Pelosi Holdouts Plotted to Make Her 'Bogeyman'

As incoming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi works to consolidate votes for her leadership bid, a group of largely centrist House Democrats have remained holdouts. Publicly, they’re pushing for tweaks to House rules once Democrats take over the chamber in January. But behind the scenes, a leading advocacy group that has helped organize this coalition of moderates has been itching to make life hell for Pelosi.

Internal communications reviewed by The Daily Beast show that early this year the group No Labels, a centrist advocacy organization, contemplated a plan to kneecap Pelosi’s political standing. In one exchange, a top official with the group even laid out the pros and cons of turning the California Democrat into a “bogeyman.”


That was well before Democrats took back the House of Representatives. In the weeks since they reclaimed congressional power, Pelosi has sought to earn back the Speaker’s gavel. And though the vast majority of her caucus supports her bid, moderate Democrats allied with No Labels remain some of the few party members refusing to give her their votes absent concessions from Pelosi and her team.

No Labels has publicly couched its efforts in conciliatory language, posting items on its website that subtly nudge other Democrats towards a Pelosi challenge, or that gently suggest it might be time for a leadership change. The group also wants Pelosi to commit to weakening the power of party leaders and committee chairs, among other measures that it says will empower rank and file members and reduce gridlock.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/centrist-group-behind-pelosi-holdouts-plotted-to-make-her-bogeyman

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Centrist Group Behind Pelosi Holdouts Plotted to Make Her 'Bogeyman' (Original Post) JonLP24 Nov 2018 OP
Maybe all of the dems supporting Pelosi should tell these particular dems to drop No Labels chowder66 Nov 2018 #1
republican saboteurs? nt msongs Nov 2018 #2
Roughly what they did to the ACA zipplewrath Nov 2018 #3
LOL. Let's see what the No Labels apologists try to say about this manor321 Nov 2018 #4
Republican billionaire's superpac wants to control the Democratic agenda? pecosbob Nov 2018 #5
Finally....THE TRUTH Me. Nov 2018 #6
Just as infuriating awesomerwb1 Nov 2018 #7
They're not moderates. They're morons. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #8
"Pelosi as bogeyman."... Well, they do spell like right wingers. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2018 #10
they call themselves a 'centrist group' ? what bullshit. spanone Nov 2018 #9
Moulton Seeks Negotiations with Pelosi Gothmog Nov 2018 #16
Moulton deserves to be ignored mcar Nov 2018 #19
Pelosi's momentum builds: 'Voting against Pelosi on the floor is a vote for the Republican' Gothmog Nov 2018 #21
Since the beginning these Republicans never challenged Trump, criminality, abuses, incivility, or Wintryjade Nov 2018 #11
Give compromise when you get compromise. pwb Nov 2018 #12
So they decided to attack Pelosi, while at the same time smearing leftists and Sanders for suffragette Nov 2018 #13
maybe i wasn't being paranoid. . Kurt V. Nov 2018 #14
House Problem Solvers Caucus has solved few problems, bipartisan critics allege Gothmog Nov 2018 #15
Calling Nancy the Wicked Witch of the West works with the rubes... Wounded Bear Nov 2018 #17
"Democrats" working against Democrats? mcar Nov 2018 #18
Rat-f*ing at the highest levels. These should be outed and ostracized, even if it means... George II Nov 2018 #20
No Labels evident approve of actions in Wisconsin Gothmog Dec 2018 #22

chowder66

(9,011 posts)
1. Maybe all of the dems supporting Pelosi should tell these particular dems to drop No Labels
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 04:15 PM
Nov 2018

in return for consideration on anything they demand or propose.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
3. Roughly what they did to the ACA
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 04:20 PM
Nov 2018

This is an attempt by the centrists to formalize what they did during the early years of the Obama administration. When you are a centrist/conservadem/Third Way, whatever, you find yourself in a position where you are as close, or closer to many in the minority party as you are to your own party. As such, one can leverage the support of the minority to move legislation without the majority support of ones own party. In essence, they are trying to "undo" the "Hastert rule" which says that any legislation that moves forward must have at least the majority support of the majority party. It allows the centrists of both parties to be in the majority regardless of which party wins an election. A very appealing concept if one is a centrist.

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
4. LOL. Let's see what the No Labels apologists try to say about this
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 04:28 PM
Nov 2018

The No Labels people want Republicans in power, period.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
6. Finally....THE TRUTH
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 04:43 PM
Nov 2018

All noble and otherwise about just wanting good for the party. These traitors should head back to the Con party and join Lieberman who has had an itch and a grudge ever since the Dems felt obligated to back the Dem candidate in the Conn. Senate race. You know the guy who lost because Lieberman strongarmed everyone, the guy who is now Governor of the State. Whiny white boys, Lieberman, Moulton, and Ryan. I hope the Dems insist on a pound of flesh/no prisoners.

And it doesn't serve Schumer, my senator, well, that he gets on great with them which explains why he hasn't been a great/effective leader.

awesomerwb1

(4,256 posts)
7. Just as infuriating
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 04:46 PM
Nov 2018

Why didn't this crap come up in the primaries???

Are we seriously that innocent*???

* Not really the word I wanted to use.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
8. They're not moderates. They're morons.
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 04:47 PM
Nov 2018

They think the big takeaway from Democrats taking back the House is that the American people want bipartisan compromise with criminal, Nazi-sympathizing liars who are set on turning the world to ashes.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
16. Moulton Seeks Negotiations with Pelosi
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 06:03 PM
Nov 2018

It seems that Nancy Pelosi is ignoring Moulton and this group https://politicalwire.com/2018/11/26/moulton-seeks-negotiations-with-pelosi/

Rep. Seth Moulton (D-MA) signaled that he is seeking to hold negotiations with House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) “about changes to her leadership team, a development that makes her ascendancy to the speakership likelier as her opponents continue to struggle to recruit a challenger,” the Washington Post reports.

“Pelosi, however, has given no indication that she is open to talks with Moulton about a deal for the support of moderate critics, or that she would ever waver in her support for her longtime deputies, Reps. Steny Hoyer (D-MD) and James Clyburn (D-SC), who are in line to hold the No. 2 and No. 3 posts in the House next year.”

I agree with Nancy Pelosi's actions in ignoring Moultin and this group

mcar

(42,210 posts)
19. Moulton deserves to be ignored
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 06:57 PM
Nov 2018

I hope every freshman Dem gets a bigger office and better committee assignments than this loser.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
21. Pelosi's momentum builds: 'Voting against Pelosi on the floor is a vote for the Republican'
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 07:58 PM
Nov 2018

This makes me smile https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/11/27/1815602/-Pelosi-s-momentum-builds-Voting-against-Pelosi-on-the-floor-is-a-vote-for-the-Republican

It’s a bad day for the #FiveWhiteGuys, as Nancy Pelosi’s bid to reclaim the speaker’s gavel is getting stronger by the hour. A series of representatives and representatives-elect have come forward to announce their support for Pelosi over Underpants Gnome strategery intended to push the party to the right.

Connecticut’s Jahana Hayes, who had said she wouldn’t support Pelosi, cut right to the chase:


Illinois’s Jesus “Chuy” Garcia said in a statement that “It is time for Democrats to come together and support a unified agenda of progressive values. I urge my freshman colleagues who are undecided to join me in supporting Leader Pelosi.”

According to New Hampshire’s Chris Pappas, “after careful consideration and discussion with many constituents and future colleagues in Congress … I believe [Pelosi] is best equipped to lead the House at this point in our history.”
 

Wintryjade

(814 posts)
11. Since the beginning these Republicans never challenged Trump, criminality, abuses, incivility, or
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 05:07 PM
Nov 2018

policy. That alone says something about the nine democrats as a part of this group. That defines them.

pwb

(11,205 posts)
12. Give compromise when you get compromise.
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 05:16 PM
Nov 2018

And democrats have been given no compromise for years and years. All this fake division is getting old, especially here.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
13. So they decided to attack Pelosi, while at the same time smearing leftists and Sanders for
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 05:18 PM
Nov 2018

being the ones attacking her.

All in a bid to increase their power and diminish the power of the incoming Democratic majority, many of whom are progressives.

Quite the insight into the machinations of this group.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
15. House Problem Solvers Caucus has solved few problems, bipartisan critics allege
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 05:41 PM
Nov 2018

I am not impressed with this group https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/11/05/house-problem-solvers-caucus-has-solved-few-problems-bipartisan-critics-allege/?utm_term=.ed0298951137

“It seems to be used right now mostly for political and campaign purposes,” said Andrew Grant, a Republican challenging Rep. Ami Bera (D-Calif.) in California’s 7th Congressional District. Bera is a member of the Problem Solvers Caucus who was ranked among the bottom third for bipartisanship in the House by the Lugar Center, a nonpartisan think tank....

In addition to supporting partisan agendas, the Problem Solvers’ campaign talk about their efforts dramatically outweighs their accomplishments, the group’s critics say.....

But many members of Congress and their aides expressed skepticism, sometimes bordering on ridicule, that the organization amounted to much more than a useful talking point. Several argued the legislation cited by Reed and Rep. Josh Gottheimer (D-N.J.), the group’s Democratic co-chair, would have passed easily — with or without the Problem Solvers' support.

“They are just roadkill in the legislative process,” Jim Manley, who was an aide to former Senate majority leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.), said of the Problem Solvers.

“Their track record is nonexistent,” said Rep. Raúl M. Grijalva (D-Ariz.), a liberal member of Congress. “It’s more of a political cover operation than real legislative operation — there’s no policy product.”

I am really not impressed with this group

Wounded Bear

(58,440 posts)
17. Calling Nancy the Wicked Witch of the West works with the rubes...
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 06:08 PM
Nov 2018

with real Democrats, not so much. I'm sure almost all of us could list a few flaws in Ms Pelosi's resume, but for the most part we all know she's been the most effective leader of the caucus in modern history.

She may be the Wicked Witch of the West, but she's on our side.

George II

(67,782 posts)
20. Rat-f*ing at the highest levels. These should be outed and ostracized, even if it means...
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 07:00 PM
Nov 2018

...they decide to leave the Democratic Party. They'll pay for that in the next election.

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