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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo what are those of us who wish to drive US made passenger cars supposed to do?
First Ford announced no more passenger cars after a few years. Now GM is getting rid of several of their passenger cars. I am on my 2nd focus, about 140 k miles. Assuming it lasts another few years, I will be in market for a car in a few years. I really want to buy a US made vehicle as I am a teacher and thus dependent on US taxes for my salary. I guess I may have to either get a Lincoln or a Chrysler.
Hekate
(90,564 posts)Check it out. They can't all have left yet because of our stupid potus.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,104 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,794 posts)tekriter
(827 posts)The profits go to shareholders, wherever they are. And in the meantime, thousands of Americans have good paying jobs.
spooky3
(34,407 posts)Hekate
(90,564 posts)fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)Where solid liberals suddenly starting worrying about CEO and Executive profits in publicly traded companies that are owned by shareholders all over the world.
Finally, the profit on the car is percentage point of the REVENUE of the car. 90% of the revenue stays right here. The 5% to 10% profit margin does go back to Japan into executive pockets. But I'm not really worried about their pockets.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)One of my investments is pretty heavy into Toyota stock. So it is owned a tiny amount by this American.
What we need to do is issure workers made redundant by global forces have a good safety net that does not reduce them to poverty. A national healthcare system would go a long way toward that.
TheBlackAdder
(28,168 posts)TeamPooka
(24,209 posts)care more about the money and profits than the US jobs.
The companies also pay taxes here on that money etc too.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)Most of the big companies are mainly owned by American stockholders or funds.
Management may be in Japan, but the owners are (more often than not) in the USA.
demosincebirth
(12,530 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,104 posts)Go Vols
(5,902 posts)TwistOneUp
(1,020 posts)They didn't buy the aging AMC plant in Kenosha, even tho it was a good deal and had suitable existing bldgs on it. Kenosha would have given them a tax deal.
No, they went with Right To Work states for cost of labor reasons. And those states work with the firms to keep down the unionize votes.
I'm not in labor, but if we lose the labor movement in the USA, we're toast. We've got to rebuild our manufacturing base or we're dependent on foreigners. I don't like to be dependent on foreigners, do you?
Midwestern Democrat
(806 posts)came where the largest car driving nation on earth didn't have a domestic automobile industry. It's already pathetic that we've surrendered the entire consumer electronics industry to Asia and are currently in the process of surrendering the entire household appliance industry to Asia as well.
Hekate
(90,564 posts)...enough not-rich Americans that gas-guzzlers are a source of national pride that the profit margin of the businesses involved (including Big Oil) are ever expanding while the planet suffers.
Hear me out: At their best American manufacturers used to make products they were proud of. Desire for profit is always a given, and there's nothing wrong with that. But people do the making, and when people are reduced to a debit on the ledger, and when the business of the company becomes not the product but shareholder profit, rot sets in. Rot set in a long time ago.
I supported President Obama's bailout of the auto industry. The auto industry said thanks, took the money, and as far as I can tell, waited for him to go away. The GOP Senate and House set out to oppose every single thing Obama tried to do, and waited for him to go away.
I have a lot to say on the subject of American products, manufacturers, and decisions to hire overseas at bottom dollar, and not much of it kind. But we were talking specifically about cars. I made a decision over 50 years ago to not buy what used to be called gas-guzzlers. Reasons included but were not limited to: my poverty and the fate of the Earth. I am fortunate to no longer be poor, but decisions I made back then were not just about money -- they were about ethics, and that has not changed.
All my life I have sincerely wanted American auto manufacturers to equal the quality of Japanese and German cars. They have not. Their decisions were not of my making, nor were they of the workers involved. But the consumers spending more than we/they can reasonably afford for a lesser product is certainly not going to change the situation. I voted with my checkbook -- and it looks like a lot of others have as well.
Guppy
(444 posts)Most of the "HIFI stuff from Asia is pretty bad today. Not so much in the old days( Sansui, Pioneer, Yamaha).
Here is some very good american made HIFI for a good price point
https://www.schiit.com/
I have a pair of his designed speakers. He is wonderful. His price point is as low as $300 a pair
It is too bad that today's generation does not care about sound.
secondvariety
(1,245 posts)McIntosh was the pinnacle of high end. Made in upstate NY.
Guppy
(444 posts)and still expensive. There are just very good alternatives. I have modified Dynaco which was the poor man's mcintosh.
rgbecker
(4,820 posts)Ownership of Most of these companies are traded on the NY Stock exchange so profits could be going anywhere across the world. High executive salaries is a worldwide problem and I don't think it makes much difference if the millionaires are not Americans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automobiles_manufactured_in_the_United_States
spooky3
(34,407 posts)dsc
(52,152 posts)but I might check one out when the time comes. My Focus gets 35 or more highway and close to 30 overall. I doubt that a SUV would get comparable mileage.
spooky3
(34,407 posts)They are much more versatile than sedans. And as others have posted, several foreign cars are built here in the U.S.
dsc
(52,152 posts)the smallest SUV gets better city mileage but significantly worse highway mileage than the focus. It is also 2k more expensive but that could be negotiated one imagines. I will say the SUV does look kind of neat.
spooky3
(34,407 posts)In Ontario. It gets good mileage.
Here is the list of other Toyotas and where theyre built:
https://www.whiterivertoyota.com/blog/which-toyota-vehicles-are-assembled-in-the-us/
a la izquierda
(11,791 posts)Liberty Belle
(9,533 posts)They get very good mileage and some are made in the US. Very comfortable car for me and it's a war horse- I've put high miles on, never any problems. They never seem to wear out. My first one was destroyed in a serious crash and I survived because of special safety features Toyota puts in to prevent an accordion effect when you hit something (a truck had run a stop sign right in front of me).
My husband's life was also saved in an earlier freak accident where a truck tire fell off a truck on an elevated road above us and smashed down onto our hood. In most cars the drive would be impaled by the steering wheel but Toyota is one of only 2 cars on the road (at least back then) to engineer to withstand this kind of impact without hurting you.
I am grateful to Toyota and will never buy anything else.
Our family has had 5 Toyotas, and all were gems. Never a serious mechanical problem in any of them, except one where the engine finallly conked out at 350,000 miles or so.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)I'm on my third Accord. First one (1991 model) lasted 425,000 miles on the original drivetrain. The second (1999) was at 273,000, and would undoubtedly have gone for far longer, had not some idiot made a left turn from the local pot shop's parking lot into oncoming traffic and totaled it. Got a 2014 model now, and it's one of the best cars I've ever driven.
JonAndKatePlusABird
(312 posts)What a freaking nightmare. Very good to know about the Camery.
Major kudos to him if he's still driving...... An incident like that would likely cause me to swear off driving for a long time. Like I said, glad there was a happy ending to that freak accident.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,319 posts)What model year car was this? Collapsible steering columns have been mandated since 1968.
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Passenger cars
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The steering wheels were rigid and mounted on non-collapsible steering columns. This arrangement increased the risk of impaling the driver in case of a severe crash. The first collapsible steering column was invented in 1934 but was never successfully marketed. By 1956, Ford came out with a safety steering wheel that was set high above the post with spokes that would flex, but the column was still rigid. In 1968, United States regulations (FMVSS Standard No. 204) were implemented concerning the acceptable rearward movement of the steering wheel in case of crash. (1) Collapsible steering columns were required to meet that standard.
(1) https://icsw.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/import/FMVSS/#SN204
Standard No. 204 - Steering Control Rearward Displacement - Passenger Cars (Effective 1-1-68), Multipurpose Passenger Vehicles, Trucks, and Buses with Unloaded Vehicle Weight (UVW) of 1,814 kg (4,000 lbs.) or less (Effective 9-1-81). UVW of 2,495 kg (5,500 lbs.) or less (Effective 9-1-91). Walk-in Vans are excluded.
This standard specifies requirements limiting the rearward displacement of the steering column into the passenger compartment to reduce the likelihood of chest, neck, or head injuries.
Gets between 26 and 30.
My Prius on trips got 50.
A great small car is the Toyota Corolla.
Ohiogal
(31,925 posts)It's an '06. Not one major problem with it.
If you fold the rear seats down, you can get an 8 ft. board inside! Hubby and I have come home from Lowe's many times that way.
madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)he got the first from our Mom (it is a 1993) which was in an accident a couple of years ago, but the engine still runs.
I love my Corolla!
msongs
(67,366 posts)watoos
(7,142 posts)demosincebirth
(12,530 posts)LisaM
(27,794 posts)It is getting more difficult, though the smaller utility vehicles do come in some sizes that are pretty much like passenger cars.
TwistOneUp
(1,020 posts)And the T3 is priced very competitively. Just sayin'.
NB: I drive a 2008 Ford Escape hybrid, and will continue to drive it until the wheels fall off.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,816 posts)but is far too pricey for me. Especially when it has a 220 mile range. How long do they take to charge?
Hopefully, someday a good electric car will cost what a Honda Fit does, just to name one car, and will recharge in the same amount of time it takes to put gas in a gasoline powered car.
jmowreader
(50,530 posts)RockRaven
(14,912 posts)you just have to do your research. Lots of "Japanese" and "German" cars are made in the US. A family member of mine has a Toyota which was made in Texas.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Which covers labor and parts. Honda had the highest domestic content of any carmaker several years in a row. I have not looked at recent numbers.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)NCjack
(10,279 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)MaryMagdaline
(6,851 posts)Its something.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,362 posts)Georgetown, KY
Princeton, IN
San Antonio, TX
Blue Springs, MS
TwistOneUp
(1,020 posts)By non-union labor. Boo hiss.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)But they are still American made with good wages and decent benefits. Not union wages and benefits, but still American workers. My mother lives in Central Kentucky. I see more Camrys on the road there than anywhere else I go.
It going to take lots of Blue votes for a long time to chance Federal Labor law in a more Liberal direction. That said, now is the time to start talking it up.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Sollers
lithiumbomb
(250 posts)The 3rd generation Focus was made in over a half dozen countries. US market Focuses were made in Wayne Michigan, though the Focus RS was made in Germany. The 4th generation Focus is not sold in the US. *Edit to add: This plant is now producing the 2019 Ford Ranger.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Just like the person above stating how Toyota is made in TX. Honda is headquartered in CA. One of the biggest VW plants (employs 15,000 workers) is in Mexico. The list goes on. The auto industry is a global market.
slumcamper
(1,604 posts)Next, you do what consumers do: seek alternatives, substitutes, or go without.
I was a teacher and am still an educator. Although my vehicular preferences and motivations were likely different than yours, my alternative was a 2018 Toyota Prius Eco. It functions quite similar to US-brand vehicles in transporting me in adequate comfort. It has all the conveniences I need. Its 60-65 mpg performance saves me time and $$, and weans me a bit more from Big Oil. It's low emissions are a contribution I can make to sustaining the planet, our collective health, and our future. It offers a teachable moment for my children and grandchildren, or others, and most respect me for it, although drivers of oversized trucks who are compensating tend to get pissed off at the sight of it.
I hope it lasts as well as my 1998 Sienna which had 383,000 miles on it and had been in all 48 states when I drove it in and traded it. They gave me $1500 for that thing, noting that a local taxi company would take it immediately.
Good luck with everything. Your options are open and vast.
dsc
(52,152 posts)so I looked at hybrids and electric cars but even with the tax break and the mileage I still found getting the Focus with its mileage was a better deal for me. I probably don't drive enough for a hybrid to even come close to breaking even for me now. I went from over 100 miles round trip a day to about 15 with only one day of the 100 plus.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I think Mitshubishi also build in the US and one Kirean brand does also.
roamer65
(36,744 posts)Its the highest rated in its class by Consumer Reports.
waddirum
(979 posts)in Normal, Illinois.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,309 posts)TwistOneUp
(1,020 posts)blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,262 posts)MarvinGardens
(779 posts)I ran the VIN number, and indeed it was. From memory, I think it was made in Kentucky. Alas, it was totaled in a crash (I am fine). I have not yet run the VIN on its replacement (an 08 Civic), but this post has made me curious to find out.
allgood33
(1,584 posts)GaYellowDawg
(4,446 posts)I love my Sonata!
sprinkleeninow
(20,217 posts)radical noodle
(7,997 posts)Great car with good gas mileage. Love the warranty.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)still_one
(92,061 posts)Ford will still be selling passenger cars in Europe, and I suspect they will be reconsidering that decision in th US, and give it to the Toyotas Hondas etc
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)llmart
(15,534 posts)I have a Civic that gets approximately 35 mpg. When I went car shopping I first drove a Ford Focus and then the Civic. The Focus felt like a tin box. The Honda rides much better. The US made content of the Civic was much higher than the Focus.
lkinwi
(1,477 posts)Currently I have a Ford Escape which I really like. Theres a smaller SUV than the Escape called the Eco Sport which seems to be almost the size of a sedan.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)But people didn't.
GM made cars, and Americans didn't buy them.
llmart
(15,534 posts)What does your salary being dependent on taxes have to do with what kind of car you buy. Your salary is paid from property taxes, unless I'm missing something here.
OhioBlue
(5,126 posts)They also receive State and Federal funding which is based on income taxes. The portion of property vs.State and Federal dollars varies from district to district. Wealthier districts receive less in State funding per pupil and, I believe, Federal dollars are often tied to grants or specific programs (such as Title) and/or students with specific needs.
There is also a solidarity aspect of a teacher as a union member supporting other union members. Sadly, I fear we have lost most aspects of solidarity in today's society. I have never owned a vehicle that wasn't UAW. I've knocked doors along side UAW, Steel Workers, IAM, etc but I did see a shift in the political allegiances of many of our Union brothers and sisters over the past couple of years. The decimation of Unions is part of the equation when we look at wealth disparity and its incessant increase over the past few decades.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)And its a helluva car. Honda USA pays taxes in the USA.
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)...pre-production just beginning to roll off the new $1B+ plant line in Ridgeville, South Carolina!
https://www.volvocars.com/us/about/our-company/south-carolina-factory
https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en&pb=!1s0x88fef23d6e59621f%3A0x81c874ca73790a40!2m22!2m2!1i80!2i80!3m1!2i20!16m16!1b1!2m2!1m1!1e1!2m2!1m1!1e3!2m2!1m1!1e5!2m2!1m1!1e4!2m2!1m1!1e6!3m1!7e115!4shttps%3A%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPuvEJmXuP4fxe50LlNQs_GSYwkLihlY_5WCt3P%3Dw455-h306-n-k-no!5svolvo%20plant%20ridgeville%20sc%20address%20-%20Google%20Search&imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipPuvEJmXuP4fxe50LlNQs_GSYwkLihlY_5WCt3P
OneBlueDotBama
(1,381 posts)Don't be surprised if they move much of the expected output from this new venture, back to China.
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)of "US made passenger car". The Volvo S30 Sedan fits that description - made in America by Americans (for the most part) for shipment in the US and around the world.
4,000 highly-trained and well-paying jobs were added to the South Carolina economy by the opening of this plant.
This new plant is just the beginning for Volvo in North America. The Ridgeville facility is already under expansion plans and will be adding a second line of styles to be manufactured in the U.S.
Disclosure: My son is a Volvo executive, now relocated to South Carolina. He and Volvo are most excited about Volvo's U.S. footprint and the promise of a bright future for Volvo in this country.
OneBlueDotBama
(1,381 posts)How close they are to 4000 jobs, we had neighbors move in, he's also a Volvo exec, he pissed with what's going on, as everything stagnant at the moment. They spent millions on a new interchange for Volvo, they did all sorts of things, I hear they may just shut the place down and move production to China. Same thing with BMW & Benz.
marybourg
(12,598 posts)Im old enough to have owned American cars in the era when American cars were trash. The most recent one was a 90 Suburban, which we bought only because we need it to tow our 30 trailer, and which was in the shop, bucking our backs out until we got it there, every month, because of a $1.00 part, and which we traded in the day the warrantee expired. Oh, yeah , the wiring harness burned up too, nearly setting us on fire.
I regret that I cant support union workers, and I know it was mostly not the workers fault, but I will never buy another American -branded car. Fortunately my last three vehicles, all wonderful trouble free Toyotas were made in the U.S., though alas, not by union labor.
BlueSpot
(855 posts)I don't think they are made in the US or at least not in 2007 when I bought it (and it is still going strong). No domestic automaker could even come close to the mileage and I did look at the time of purchase. With a 50 mile commute, it made a difference. If the U.S. automakers don't want to make sedans, I will buy another import.
Why support the automakers at the expense of the longshoremen anyway? That's never been clear to me.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)JI7
(89,241 posts)Liberty Belle
(9,533 posts)They are also safe - mine saved my life twice with features that most other vehicles don't have.
You have to ask where the car is made, since some are manufactured in Japan but you CAN buy an American-made car now with Japanese superior technology.
DFW
(54,302 posts)Fortunately for us, that means German cars, since we live in Germany.
JCMach1
(27,553 posts)Watch this space, electric crossovers, SUV, Vans and Trucks coming soon.
masmdu
(2,535 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)American made cars (American Brand) use foreign made parts
Firestorm49
(4,030 posts)You wont get mileage like that from an SUV.
Jersey Devil
(9,874 posts)Hell, I see photos of cars from the 50s still being driven around in Cuba.
KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Kia etc all assemble cars in the US and pay close to what UAW workers make. They have about the same percentage of American parts.
My husband is a GM / UAW retiree and we always try to purchase union made products. You don't bite the hand that feeds you. However, if we have to, we move on to supporting our local workforce next. We are driving a Toyota Avalon now. Assembled in Georgetown Kentucky, employer to a lot of our neighbors and friends.
Camry had the highest percentage of parts made by American workers in 2016 and 2017. Avalon took it in 2018.
"American" Car makers have been abandoning America for some time now in favor of greener pastures in Asia. At the same time "Asian" car companies are embracing Americans.
Vehicles are insanely expensive to buy new. At the end of the day you have the make the best choice you can for your family. No one should fault you for that.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,781 posts)Mendocino
(7,482 posts)It's an American subsidiary of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles FCA. Fiat is an Italian/American manufacturer registered in the Netherlands with headquarters in London for tax purposes. Its a Chrysler, wrapped in a Fiat, lost in an enigma.
pnwmom
(108,959 posts)I have a compact SUV and I like the driving height, and the ease of getting in and out (like sitting on a couch in the living room instead of on a cushion on the floor.) Whenever I have to trade with my husband, I'm reminded of how much more comfortable the SUV is.
It holds 5 people, and there's plenty of cargo space. It handles as well as my husband's car and the all-wheel drive comes in handy in the rain and snow.
So remind me -- why do people get small sedans?
Mariana
(14,854 posts)You say that every time you trade with him you're reminded of how much more comfortable the SUV is. What does he drive?
pnwmom
(108,959 posts)and is considered a good car for driving. But I don't see an improvement in the driving that makes up for having to bend down to sit so low.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)Grasswire2
(13,565 posts)I've been using it for twelve years, since I gave up my Volvo when it became more of a liability than an asset.
City bus. Taxi when necessary. Lots of walking.
Very modern. I shake my head at the lines of cars on the road with one human inside. What a waste.
SharonAnn
(13,771 posts)dsc
(52,152 posts)and Uber/Lift close to non existent. I can do taxi I think.
LBM20
(1,580 posts)crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)I currently drive a Legacy, which is a little wide for me. I had a Forester before that. Subaru makes good cars.
Boomer
(4,167 posts)It's an outdated concept, devoid of meaning.
Parts are made all over the world, assembly of the final car happens all over the world. Car companies are global, as are their shareholders, so the profits go in all directions.
Nitram
(22,768 posts)I don't want a car that won't last 200,000+ miles. I don't want a car that looks great for a few years and then starts to fall to pieces. The whole American car industry was based on the idea that people would trade in their car and buy a new one every there or four years.
csziggy
(34,131 posts)Honorable Mentions: American-Made Imports. (78.5 percent domestic content - Honda Odyssey, Honda Pilot, Jeep Cherokee, Toyota Camry and Toyota Sienna)
Fifth Place: Honda Accord. (81 percent domestic content)
Fourth Place: General Motors Dominates.(82.5 percent domestic content - Buick LaCrosse, Cadillac Escalade and multiple models from Chevrolet, including the Equinox, Impala, Malibu, Tahoe and Suburban. The GMC Yukon and Yukon XL)
Third Place: Chevrolet Corvette. (83 percent domestic content)
Second Place: Ford F-150. (85 percent domestic content)
First Place: Buick Enclave, Chevrolet Traverse, GMC Acadia. (90 percent domestic content)
https://www.carfax.com/blog/2016-american-made-cars
List of automobiles manufactured in the United States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automobiles_manufactured_in_the_United_States
This list also includes models and which plants manufacture them.
Nathan Bomey, USA TODAY Published 10:08 a.m. ET June 22, 2018
Here is the 2018 list (and where each vehicle is assembled):
1. Jeep Cherokee (Belvidere, Ill.)
2. Honda Odyssey (Lincoln, Ala.)
3. Honda Ridgeline (Lincoln, Ala.)
4. Ford Taurus (Chicago)
5. Chevrolet Volt (Detroit)
6. Honda Pilot (Lincoln, Ala.)
7. Acura MDX (East Liberty, Ohio)
8. Ford Explorer (Chicago)
9. Ford F-150 (Claycomo, Mo., and Dearborn, Mich.)
10. Chevrolet Corvette (Bowling Green, Ky.)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2018/06/22/american-cars/724724002/
Obviously brand name is not the deciding factor for how much of your car is made in the USA. One major consideration is in which state it is made if you are interested in supporting union labor.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)raccoon
(31,105 posts)TeamPooka
(24,209 posts)marble falls
(57,013 posts)TeamPooka
(24,209 posts)marble falls
(57,013 posts)they'd keep making them.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)A DAY IN THE LIFE
(88 posts)The Chevy Bolt has good range 200+ miles, and has gotten good reviews as probably the best EV entry level.
Renew Deal
(81,847 posts)They just reduced the numbers. Is the Chevy Malibu US made?
flyingfysh
(1,990 posts)It was a Chevrolet Cavalier station wagon. The transmission was constantly breaking down, and it rusted through surprisingly quickly. I vowed that we would never get another GM car. I suspect that we aren't the only people this has happened to?
If GM had made decent, dependable cars, they could have stayed in that business.
Vinca
(50,237 posts)We drove it off the lot, stopped to get coffee about a half mile away and it wouldn't start when we wanted to leave. The thing should have been lemon colored. We didn't keep it very long.
secondvariety
(1,245 posts)or a Camaro. They ain't going away anytime soon.