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dsc

(52,155 posts)
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 09:00 AM Nov 2018

It kills me to write this but I won't vote for Hillary Clinton in 2020

in our primaries. I voted for her in 2008, and again enthusiastically in 2016. But given the fact that the press hates all things Clinton and shows no sign at all of changing that behavior, I can't vote for her in 2020. Ever since Bill Clinton came on the scene the press has had one set of rules when covering Clinton and a different set for the rest of Democrats, and a highly generous different set for pretty much every Republican. I think part of Clinton's negative coverage in both 2008 and 2016 was rank sexism and would have affected coverage of any female candidate but there was a non trivial aspect of Clinton rules that came into play.

To take one example. The NYT editorial page ran an excerpt of a book, called Clinton Cash by an author who wrote one other book, an anti Clinton screed that was rife with lies. They ran this excerpt with no editing of their own and shock of shocks it was rife with lies. It is literally unimaginable that any paper would have done this to any other politician. The NYT, and no other paper, would publish any part of David Kay Johnson's book on Trump for example despite his history as a tax reporter.

It is vitally important we win in 2020 and Clinton can't win as the press won't let her. We still hear, even now, about the Clinton Foundation as if it were some nefarious plot from the same sources that have refused to investigate the Trump Foundation until after he won the White House. I think sexism, while still a huge problem, will not infect the coverage as much as it did with her. Many of the worst offenders have been cashiered from their jobs and replaced in many cases by women. The rest won't want to look bad in the era of metoo. But the Clinton rules are like a cockroach. It will survive nuclear war. I literally believe Trump could start nuclear war tomorrow and a huge part of the press would start talking about Clinton selling uranium to the Russians. It honestly is that bad.


It is a true shame. A qualified women, who wasn't nice enough, and married a man named Clinton was destroyed by a spiteful, sexist, hateful, press corps and they would do it again in a minute. And no, I am not talking about the Coulters of this world. I am talking about the Times, the Post, MSNBC, CNN, and pretty much all of the press. There was literally no road too low for them to take if it was in service of attacking a Clinton.

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It kills me to write this but I won't vote for Hillary Clinton in 2020 (Original Post) dsc Nov 2018 OP
Unless you were planning on writing her in, I doubt you would have that option. onenote Nov 2018 #1
yeah likely not dsc Nov 2018 #3
Well, if it killed once to say it totally unnecessarily, Hortensis Nov 2018 #15
she's not running eShirl Nov 2018 #2
I understand you... Trueblue Texan Nov 2018 #4
Oh in the general it is blue no matter who dsc Nov 2018 #6
I think that only applies to the base... In It to Win It Nov 2018 #19
Neither will anyone else. GoCubsGo Nov 2018 #5
You don't want Hillary, but Hillary doesn't want Hillary Jersey Devil Nov 2018 #7
Aw jeez, MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #8
Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #10
No. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #11
Sure.... Fix The Stupid Nov 2018 #18
I'm with you, MrsCoffee. Polly Hennessey Nov 2018 #28
I hope it's a beautiful morning! MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #32
classy, very informative. Nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #17
Wow, people touchy about memes today. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #20
Don't fall for RW talking points. HRC isn't running again. FSogol Nov 2018 #9
Well, she's not running, so I don't think you'll have a moral dilemma here. bearsfootball516 Nov 2018 #12
Irrelevant. Will vote for NOMINEE (D). Time to be a Yellow Dog Democrat. VOX Nov 2018 #13
We have to win! leftyladyfrommo Nov 2018 #14
I don't believe Hillary Clinton will run again. In It to Win It Nov 2018 #16
It wasn't the GOP hype that is my point dsc Nov 2018 #21
True... even the "liberal" publications In It to Win It Nov 2018 #22
I was one of her most stalwart supporters on this board but I believe it will be best... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2018 #23
Flame bait, pure and simple. Paladin Nov 2018 #24
Thank you..agree totally Thekaspervote Nov 2018 #25
well said jcgoldie Nov 2018 #29
Give it a fucking rest EricMaundry Nov 2018 #26
I was down this road in 2016 Jarqui Nov 2018 #27
The OP says they would not vote for her in a *primary* now, not that they tblue37 Nov 2018 #34
I will vote for HRC...I may have to hold my nose to do it but Raven Nov 2018 #30
I would be shocked if she ran again in 2020 NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #31
Read this reporter's confession about how the press treated HRC: tblue37 Nov 2018 #33
This bit near the end of my post #33 above about journalists' "Clinton Rules" deserves its tblue37 Nov 2018 #35
Is she running, because I'm pretty she's not ismnotwasm Nov 2018 #36

onenote

(42,692 posts)
1. Unless you were planning on writing her in, I doubt you would have that option.
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 09:04 AM
Nov 2018

She's not going to be running. You can take that to the bank.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
3. yeah likely not
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 09:05 AM
Nov 2018

but it still sucks that the press gets to act this way with no punishment at all.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. Well, if it killed once to say it totally unnecessarily,
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 09:37 AM
Nov 2018

as an OP no less, maybe assume it may be resurrected whenever masochistic tendencies rise again.

When my less than admirable feelings rise, instead of trying to bury her I want to run HRC and vote for her again just to make others eat it.

Btw, I'm only 95% sure she won't run again. She'd also make one hell of an involved VP. We have a whole lot of unfinished and unstarted business to do.

Trueblue Texan

(2,425 posts)
4. I understand you...
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 09:07 AM
Nov 2018

...but I don't care if the Democratic candidate is Mickey Mouse, I'll vote for them. Yes, it is THAT bad.

In It to Win It

(8,234 posts)
19. I think that only applies to the base...
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 09:55 AM
Nov 2018

We’re the base. We’ll vote for 2020 Democratic nominee Mickey Mouse. We’re the “blue, no matter who” people. Anyone else will literally sit out the election because they’re not excited about either candidate at a time where we desperately need them to turn out.

However, our nominee will need to have come crossover appeal. Some people will have to fall in love with the candidate or feel enthused by the candidate in order to vote for them... sadly.

I also think some of us will have to suspend the conventional thinking until Trump is defeated. I would run Tom Hanks or Oprah or Mufasa if it means we ultimately win. I’m exaggerating but it literally can’t get any worse. We can’t be drowned by our own conventional rules and conventional boxes we create for ourselves.

Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #8)

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
11. No.
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 09:15 AM
Nov 2018

I’ve been here since 2006.

And even if I joined yesterday, I would still speak my mind. This OP is navel gazing.

Polly Hennessey

(6,793 posts)
28. I'm with you, MrsCoffee.
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 10:49 AM
Nov 2018

I’ve been here since 2003. Leave Hillary alone. She is not running. I will, however, vote for our nominee. No matter the person. I am the Blue Base. By the way, MrsCoffee, I am going to enjoy some now as the sun rises.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
13. Irrelevant. Will vote for NOMINEE (D). Time to be a Yellow Dog Democrat.
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 09:19 AM
Nov 2018

Right now, I don’t care if it actually will be the yellow dog of lore. Given the situation, it’s VOTE DEMOCRATIC or a face a painful descent into a complete right-wing oligarchy. (We’re halfway there already.)

In It to Win It

(8,234 posts)
16. I don't believe Hillary Clinton will run again.
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 09:41 AM
Nov 2018

Either way, it needs to be someone else. She had her bite at the apple. I think she would have been a great President.

Too many people believed the GOP hype. That’s the only thing they’re competent in is creating a villain and stoking fear. They did a great job creating a Hillary Clinton villian... and it worked.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
23. I was one of her most stalwart supporters on this board but I believe it will be best...
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 10:14 AM
Nov 2018

I was one of her most stalwart supporters on this board but I believe it will be best if she chooses not to run. Hillary Clinton would have made a fine president though. America's loss.

Paladin

(28,252 posts)
24. Flame bait, pure and simple.
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 10:17 AM
Nov 2018

Multiple volumes of history will be composed, covering the volatile period between today and the 2020 election. Your take on Hillary Clinton---complete with all the CYA boo-hoo regrets---is wildly premature, just the sort of divisive crap we can do without. Spare us, OK? It's way too early for the circular firing squads, even for DU.

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
27. I was down this road in 2016
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 10:43 AM
Nov 2018

where I walked away when Sanders who I liked lost.
I came back but missed several weeks licking my wounds.

i'm not a gigantic Hillary fan. Never was. Never will be. But if she is who Democrats pick, she will get my support. Period. Because anything else I might do helps the Republicans. Quite frankly, that's how Trump got elected in the first place - the anti-Hillary vote in the Rust Belt tipped the electoral college.

tblue37

(65,319 posts)
34. The OP says they would not vote for her in a *primary* now, not that they
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 11:44 AM
Nov 2018

wouldn't vote for her in the GE if she were nominated.

Raven

(13,889 posts)
30. I will vote for HRC...I may have to hold my nose to do it but
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 10:54 AM
Nov 2018

I will never not vote or vote for the other side or vote for some 3rd party candidate who has no chance of winning.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
31. I would be shocked if she ran again in 2020
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 10:57 AM
Nov 2018

if she ran and won the nomination, I'd vote for her over Trump or any other Republican.

tblue37

(65,319 posts)
33. Read this reporter's confession about how the press treated HRC:
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 11:42 AM
Nov 2018
https://www.vox.com/2015/7/6/8900143/hillary-clinton-reporting-rules

Confessions of a Clinton reporter: The media's 5 unspoken rules for covering Hillary
By Jonathan Allen

Snip

The Clinton rules are driven by reporters' and editors' desire to score the ultimate prize in contemporary journalism: the scoop that brings down Hillary Clinton and her family's political empire. At least in that way, Republicans and the media have a common interest.

. . . I wanted to sell books, of course. But the easier way to do that — proven over time — is to write as though the Clintons are the purest form of evil. The same holds for daily reporting. Want to drive traffic to a website? Write something nasty about a Clinton, particularly Hillary. As a reporter, I get sucked into playing by the Clinton rules. This is what I've seen in my colleagues, and in myself.

1) Everything, no matter how ludicrous-sounding, is worthy of a full investigation by federal agencies, Congress, the "vast right-wing conspiracy," and mainstream media outlets.

Snip

3) The media assumes that Clinton is acting in bad faith until there's hard evidence otherwise.

Snip


There are 3 other such "rules," plus detailed explanations of how each player out in the way Hillary was abused by the media. Everyone should read the whole thing.

https://www.vox.com/2015/7/6/8900143/hillary-clinton-reporting-rules


tblue37

(65,319 posts)
35. This bit near the end of my post #33 above about journalists' "Clinton Rules" deserves its
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 12:23 PM
Nov 2018

own post:

. . . the media can definitely weigh down — and even destroy — a candidate. The emphasis on a candidate's flaws — real or perceived — comes at the cost of the candidate's ability to focus his or her message and at the cost of negative attention to the other candidates. This is a problem for Clinton, and it seems unlikely to go away.

ismnotwasm

(41,975 posts)
36. Is she running, because I'm pretty she's not
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 12:27 PM
Nov 2018

I understand. I’m not voting for ANY white male in the primaries. I want someone of color, or a woman.

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