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pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 10:51 AM Nov 2018

Suppose Trump pardons Manafort.

The House can then subpoena him. He must testify. He can't claim the 5th. If he lies, Mueller will know. Manafort is screwed.

AND/OR state attorney generals can indict him on new state charges. Trump can't pardon him on state charges. Manafort has already pleaded guilty to the actions. Manafort is screwed.

Either way, Manafort is screwed. Eventually he'll figure it out. Will he still protect DT then?

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Suppose Trump pardons Manafort. (Original Post) pnwmom Nov 2018 OP
And he'll still be broke, right? C_U_L8R Nov 2018 #1
He won't get his assets back. In It to Win It Nov 2018 #3
Far reaching. Pardon ability may have been diverted. Iliyah Nov 2018 #2
He may just be trying to save family members at this point. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #4
A pardon will make him an easier target!!! atreides1 Nov 2018 #5
And does he really want a pardon? EffieBlack Nov 2018 #6
He's so desperate duforsure Nov 2018 #7

C_U_L8R

(44,985 posts)
1. And he'll still be broke, right?
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 10:58 AM
Nov 2018

I don't believe a pardon can restore all the confiscated property, tax fines, etc. Yes? No?

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
2. Far reaching. Pardon ability may have been diverted.
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 11:03 AM
Nov 2018

Seems like all avenues for Manafort are close or closing quickly on him. He is screwed.

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
4. He may just be trying to save family members at this point.
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 11:06 AM
Nov 2018

He likely knows he is going to die in jail, but maybe he thinks if he lies to the end, the Russians and/or Trump’s hitmen will spare his family.

Dark, but that’s my first thought on this.

atreides1

(16,064 posts)
5. A pardon will make him an easier target!!!
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 11:10 AM
Nov 2018

As far as his previous employers are concerned, Paul is a loose end...the Ukrainians and the Russians, being the practical people they are...don't like loose ends!

And we all know that the Russians have no qualms about "removing" problems, even if they live in other countries!!!

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
6. And does he really want a pardon?
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 11:10 AM
Nov 2018

Something I hadn't thought about ...



State time is ugly. Federal prison is his best option, so Manafort may be begging right about now NOT to get a federal pardon. Wouldn't it be funny if Mueller is his new best friend?

duforsure

(11,884 posts)
7. He's so desperate
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 11:25 AM
Nov 2018

And like trump over taken with a bad case of the dumbass disease. He's done , and so is trump now.

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