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Tue Nov 27, 2018, 02:15 PM

The real big deal with Manafort is ...

Mueller knew he was lying: no prosecutor worth a bean would not know the real answers to the question he'd ask anyone in a case.

What he ended up with is lies he used to fashion questions for cheetolini. He gave cheeto a change to perjur himself and show that there most definately was collusion between Manafort, Gates and cheetolini and cheeto Jr.

Collussion is an element in conspiracy. Federal Conspiracy falls under RICO act. That's where the Government siezes the ill gotten gains from a criminal conspiracy.

Now we're going to find out exactly what the cheetolini family and Monteford is worth.

Conspiracy to commit treason, to steal an election with the Russians, income tax fraud .... The possibilities are breath taking.

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Reply The real big deal with Manafort is ... (Original post)
marble falls Nov 2018 OP
Just a Weirdo Nov 2018 #1
marble falls Nov 2018 #3
Grasswire2 Nov 2018 #5
Just a Weirdo Nov 2018 #7
volstork Nov 2018 #10
erronis Nov 2018 #14
dewsgirl Nov 2018 #27
MineralMan Nov 2018 #18
dajoki Nov 2018 #29
Mr.Bill Nov 2018 #12
MineralMan Nov 2018 #19
pecosbob Nov 2018 #21
SummerSnow Nov 2018 #24
duforsure Nov 2018 #2
marble falls Nov 2018 #4
brush Nov 2018 #8
Just a Weirdo Nov 2018 #9
Jersey Devil Nov 2018 #6
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2018 #16
marble falls Nov 2018 #11
displacedtexan Nov 2018 #13
marble falls Nov 2018 #15
erronis Nov 2018 #17
Perseus Nov 2018 #20
marble falls Nov 2018 #22
Power 2 the People Nov 2018 #23
eleny Nov 2018 #25
malaise Nov 2018 #26
Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #28
Fix The Stupid Nov 2018 #30
marble falls Nov 2018 #31
lagomorph777 Nov 2018 #33
lagomorph777 Nov 2018 #32
marble falls Nov 2018 #34
lagomorph777 Nov 2018 #35
marble falls Nov 2018 #36

Response to marble falls (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 02:17 PM

1. Let's start clearing Trump Enterprises from all assets

 

to be paid to the U.S. Treasury. I want Trump so flat broke and 200 billion in the hole, that no-one wants him for anything, in fear of loss of income.

He has to pay at least $100 a day in restitution for the rest of his life, and he doesn't have an actual job after the President job.

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Response to Just a Weirdo (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 02:21 PM

3. A reasonable thought. It has been done before. Ask Bernie Madoff.

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Response to Just a Weirdo (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 02:28 PM

5. I want the whole fam damily on federal supervision..

...for life. Strip all the assets. Restrict them from business ventures. Pull the passports. All of them.

Ankle bracelets all around.

Alternative, if they complain? Federal prison.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 02:30 PM

7. The anklet bracelets has to be the BEST

 

It should cost them $5,000 a day just to wear them, and they have to wear it for a minimum of 25 years.

Cruel and unusual? It's fucking Trump and his ilk. They deserve that punishment.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 02:36 PM

10. Maybe Ivanka will mass-produce these



for the whole family!

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Response to volstork (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 03:02 PM

14. Those are so "cute"! Can they also be used to stash some "stash"?

You know, if you are required to wear an accoutrement, might as make it really stylish.

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Response to erronis (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 04:44 PM

27. Nice +1

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Response to volstork (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 03:19 PM

18. I'm sure she already has a Chinese trademark for them.

Probably a Chinese factory ready to go into production, too.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 09:31 AM

29. I want them in prison n/t

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Response to Just a Weirdo (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 02:47 PM

12. All of his so-called assets

are hocked for far more than they are worth. Trump has a few businesses that generate some cash flow, but his net worth is a negative number. Anyone reading this is worth more than Trump.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 03:22 PM

19. Yes. Trump lives on debt.

He borrows, skims off the loan, lives on the skim, and then declares bankruptcy when the loan comes due in full. That's his economic strategy. Eventually, it always catches up with you at some point. The presidency let him put it off a while longer, I suppose.

Trump hopes he dies before it all comes crashing down around him, I'm sure.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 03:29 PM

21. It catches up to you unless you have access to petrorubles...

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 04:34 PM

24. He probably spent his children's trust funds already and promised to put it back

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 02:19 PM

2. Was this possibly from

Him or his family being threatened by trump or russians or others? Could he be facing charges of treason?

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Response to duforsure (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 02:23 PM

4. As a strategy to hide from the Russians, going to federal lockup isn't the best option.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 02:32 PM

8. Yeah, you'd think he'd at least try to get in the witness protection program...

after doing a shortened stint in a club fed detention facility.

At the age of 67 or 68 or whatever, I'd take that chance that the Russkies wouldn't be able to find me before I crooked.

Look at Whitey Bulger, he avoided capture for 18-some years.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 02:33 PM

9. Yup. There are Russian mafia in the prison system.

 

They won't last very long in it. Probably have the effect of having a life ending within 24 hours after entering prison.

Nah, I'd rather they be in the hole financially, and free to wander around skid row looking/begging for money to pay their restitution and ankle bracelet fees in the thousands per day. Not one damn person will give him a damn penny.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 02:30 PM

6. Except that Mueller's questions to Trump were probably send before the Manafort plea deal

The questions to Manafort may have been very similar but I doubt they were the same. Manafort's plea deal was in September and I believe the written questions to Trump were sent before that time.

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Response to Jersey Devil (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 03:07 PM

16. You are right. Not sure if we ever figured it out way back when

when questions were leaked if those were really Mueller questions or not, but nevertheless... Those were rather open ended. So it's highly likely that he could cross reference a lie between manafort and d******.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 02:39 PM

11. cheeto got Mueller's question March 18th, Do you doubt he and Manafort went over their stories ...

straight first? If their stories mesh there's collusion; if there's collusion, there's conspiracy.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 03:01 PM

13. Trumpies are still clueless about our global intel capabilities.

Of course, international spies (including Americans) have video, still photography, & probably sound of every single day Asange has been in that embassy in London. So I'm sure Mueller knew the answer to the question, "Did you communicate in any way with Julian Assange?" Before he even asked Manafort.

And that's just one example of many that Manafort, Stone, Corsi, et al, trapped themselves in.

As for Trump, did he think constantly insulting our intel community would endear him to them?

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Response to displacedtexan (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 03:05 PM

15. Because they can't concieve of it, they don't believe in it.

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Response to displacedtexan (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 03:18 PM

17. Interesting junction point. We like global surveillance when it catches the bag guys.

But do we want it for our own mundane lives?

I've always thought(/known) that the NSA/etc. had all to records from Cheney's Energy Conference as well as deleted W WH emails. I can't blame the IC for not publishing these openly, but it might be nice if some of the 5-Eye and others don't just let the world know that they exist. Much as Erdogan represents a low point in transparent/fair governance, he knows how to use his knowledge/cameras.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 03:27 PM

20. "Collussion is an element in conspiracy." Collusion IS Conspiracy

 

col·lu·sion
/kəˈlo͞oZHən/
noun
noun: collusion

secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.

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Response to Perseus (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 03:31 PM

22. The collusion is what makes it a conspiracy rather than the single actions of single parties, ...

that's my point: if you want to charge conspiracy, you have to show collusion. If you have federal conspiracy then RICO statutes come into play.

So no, legally they are not the same. You need collusion to get to conspiracy.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 04:27 PM

23. I hope you're right.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 04:36 PM

25. I'm with you on this

Mueller sets a trap to round up the whole bunch with one lasso.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2018, 04:40 PM

26. Do not forget that Manafort was sent to jail for violating the terms of his bail

Mueller has known that he's dealing with a grifter, a liar and a scoundrel from day one.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 08:01 PM

28. You're guessing. And I hope you're right. Mueller is only human, after all.

It is possible to trick anyone, under certain conditions.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 10:42 AM

30. Again, I've said this multiple times...please think a little bit..


Do people REALLY believe that a sitting president will get taken down like this?

Really?

You are all forgetting these two nasty, evil words: "NATIONAL SECURITY"

The decision will (probably already has) be made that the hit to the stock market will not make this happen.

As well, you will look like a 'weak' country, etc.

There is simply no chance the powers that be will allow this to happen. No chance.

They still will not release all the JFK files because of "National Security", so people honestly believe these evil bastards will see an ounce of justice?

Call me pessimistic, but I just can't see it.







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Response to Fix The Stupid (Reply #30)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 12:12 PM

31. I guess thats because NO US Presidents have been taken down????? Nixon won two elections with ...

major leads, was involved with a major war and he went down.

The problem with impeachment is the need for a 2/3 majority in the Senate. But that doesn't mean he will still be in office for 2020.

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Response to Fix The Stupid (Reply #30)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 12:21 PM

33. Trump is demonstrably weakening national security.

Many voters probably had that in mind in the mid-terms.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 12:20 PM

32. More than that, Mueller may have used Manafort to mislead Trump.

Trump has probably made numerous serious errors as a result.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #32)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 01:40 PM

34. Mueller played the both of them. Like a Strad.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #34)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 03:09 PM

35. Mueller's not fiddling around!

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #35)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 03:56 PM

36. Badda-bing! I'll be here all week folks!

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