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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAm I the only one who thinks Mueller wasn't the least bit surprised that Manafort leaked to Trump?
Mueller wasn't born yesterday and he's no babe in the woods. He and his team knew exactly who they were dealing with.
I don't believe this came as any surprise to Mueller. In fact, I think it's likely that Mueller set Manafort and Trump up
FSogol
(45,472 posts)That's how criminal conspiracies work.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,663 posts)and he also anticipated that Manafort would lie as part of his plea agreement and that he'd leak stuff to Trump's lawyers. It was all a setup, I think, to see whether Trump would lie in his written answers and that those lies corresponded to Manafort's lies.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)Country would be shut down until impeached. Or worse.
Raven123
(4,817 posts)Since now we are are hearing that attorney-client privilege no longer applies, the Manafort legal team seems either incompetent or they will protect themselves and let Manafort to fend for himself.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Mueller knows this.
We all know this.
It is only a matter of time, and Trump knows it.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)both of them
FakeNoose
(32,626 posts)No doubt it was his idea, Mueller may have a 6-pack here!
Vinca
(50,258 posts)based on the untruthful information provided by Manafort and Corsi and later fed back to Trump and the tremendous legal mind of Rudy 9/11 Giuliani. Mueller knows the answers to questions before he asks them and the whole lot of them are in big trouble.
Like the teacher knows exactly which students cheated because they copied the wrong answers from the guy who stole the test - the test the teacher planted to catch who was cheating.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)Damn crooked I suppose. Let me remind you that Paul Manafort worked for President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych, a Russian puppet leader so corrupt that his own people rose up and chased him out of the country. What normal person running to be POTUS would hire such a person? Well we all know that Trump is not normal. He and his cronies are all cons and criminals that are attracted to and by one another in the quest for easy money by hook or by crook.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,663 posts)because he's a crooked scumbag himself.
RT Atlanta
(2,517 posts)IIRC he (manafort) volunteered his time.
GopherGal
(2,008 posts)Supposedly.
It's not as if he has such a simple, off-the-grid lifestyle that we're going to believe there was no self-interest at all attached to his employment as Trump's campaign manager. Some special interest paid him that ostrich jacket money.
triron
(21,995 posts)0rganism
(23,937 posts)... to see if any of it shows up in Trump's "open book test" written answers
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Am surprised by how sneaky Mueller was in maneuvering the two of them to fall into his trap.
This is why Mueller is the expert and I am not.
monmouth4
(9,694 posts)oldtime dfl_er
(6,931 posts)at this point Mueller needs to move very fast. Trump wants him out and the whole thing shut down BEFORE the new Congress and new investigations in January.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)that he's dealing with a gang of criminals.
Skraxx
(2,970 posts)Trumpco are the keystone cops of corruption. It's unbelievable. Amateur hour.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)And given the way Trump loves to kiss ass around military guys, the Pentagon probably has a bunch of moles in the White House.
Botany
(70,487 posts)... hang themselves.
DallasNE
(7,402 posts)The day before the NYT reported on this I speculated exactly this on DU. Mueller set the perjury trap by waiting until after Trump submitted his written answers counting on Trump to echo the Manafort lies. Trap springs.
GoCubsGo
(32,078 posts)He took out the Gambino crime family, and they were A LOT smarter than Manafort and the rest of the Trump crime syndicate. It is being said he has even found a workaround to get information out without needing Whitaker's approval.
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)State charges against all the tRUMP grifters amount to something and that the USSC doesn't go along with the double jeopardy bullshit in the case coming before them. But, with Kavanough there who knows how it will go....
Kingofalldems
(38,444 posts)spooky3
(34,433 posts)Jarqui
(10,123 posts)Most of you will recall Rudy's absurd 'Truth isn't truth' spin. Rudy went on to outline his version of the 'perjury trap'
Giuliani warns of perjury trap: 'Truth isn't truth'
https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/402527-giuliani-truth-isnt-truth
"Im not going to be rushed into having him testify so he gets trapped into perjury," Giuliani said on NBC's "Meet the Press."
"And when you tell me that he should testify because hes going to tell the truth and he shouldnt worry, well thats so silly because thats somebodys version of the truth, not the truth," Giuliani said.
"Truth is truth, anchor Chuck Todd responded.
"No it isnt," Giuliani said. "Truth isnt truth."
....
Giuliani went on to say he is skeptical of having Trump speak with Mueller because the special counsel may believe former FBI Director James Comey or another witness's account of events if it contradicts the president.
"We have a credibility gap between the two of them," Giuliani said. "Youve got to select one or the other."
Here's the potential amusing part:
What if Trump told the same lie to Mueller that Manafort told to Mueller?
There's no credibility gap between Manafort & Trump.
Mueller already has evidence to expose the Manafort lies beyond reasonable doubt. He's about to present it in criminal court.
A summation of the potentially amusing part is there is no "credibility gap" between the verbose testimony because Manafort and Trump colluded to lie to Mueller. The credibility gap is between what both men said and the evidence. That is not going to play well even with Trump's deadheads. It will go down even worse with a judge.
It would be poetic if that is how it played out.
Apollyonus
(812 posts)The big indictments that were going to be dropped post election have not materialized.
I'm keeping the faith in Mueller though and hope Whitaker is not stopping Mueller's indictments.
brush
(53,764 posts)He waited until trump submitted his take-home questions with some of the same info Mueller had knowlingly feed Manafort with to drop the hammer.
Now Manafort and trump both know Mueller caught them in lies.
Princess Turandot
(4,787 posts)..by having a known shady associate of his send permanent-record text messages to the other parties (who, unlike this pompous criminal, weren't going to try to commit crimes for someone else (!) while the SP was actively involved with them)...did this surprise Mueller? NO!!