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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'd vote for Amy Carter over Clinton's kid anyday
Since DU is having some kind of fantasy football crap.
Amy Carter later became known for her political activism, participating in a number of sit-ins and protests during the 1980s and early 1990s, aimed at changing U.S. foreign policy towards South African apartheid and Central America.[6] Along with activist Abbie Hoffman and 13 others, she was arrested during a 1986 demonstration at the University of Massachusetts Amherst for protesting CIA recruitment there.
She was acquitted of all charges in a well-publicized trial in Northampton, Massachusetts. Attorney Leonard Weinglass, who defended Abbie Hoffman in the Chicago Seven trial in the 1960s, utilized the necessity defense, successfully arguing that CIA involvement in Central America and other hotspots were equivalent to trespassing in a burning building.[8] This occurred during Carter's sophomore year at Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island. She was eventually dismissed from Brown for academic reasons and declined an opportunity to return.[9]
She is a member of the board of counselors of the Carter Center that advocates human rights and diplomacy as established by her father.[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Carter
longship
(40,416 posts)You didn't name her, but we all know what you meant.
Stop it. Stop it! STOP IT!
What has Clinton's daughter done to you, or any of the other DUers who seem intent on maligning her.
Since many of you seem to need some schooling on this subject, I will leave you all with the following quote by Joseph N. Welch during the Senate McCarthy hearings:
It seems that too fucking many DUers were not alive during the McCarthy era. Another quote by George Santayana comes to mind here.
Enough is fucking enough. Stop this!!
Now!
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)Ironically YOU are the one advocating against an open exchange of ideas here.
longship
(40,416 posts)Do not pretend that you haven't.
Why even bring up Clinton's daughter here? What does she have to do with Amy Carter?
I am disgusted by DU about this. Shame on all of you who are spewing this crapola.
For shame.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Of which this is an extension.
Why?
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Chill out
A bunch of posts said "ZOMG chelsea is going to be the next pres, senator, etc"
People respond with posts thinking such unwarranted speculation is silly.
Someone else posts a response thread saying they would rather see Amy Carter in politics due to her record of activism.
You completely freak out in numerous posts over how everyone is hating on Chelsea.
Get a grip.
You sound like the "Stop being mean to Brittney" youtube guy.
longship
(40,416 posts)I am disgusted by it. Live with that, now.
Thank you for your concern about me, Senator McCarthy.
"Ms. Clinton, are you now, or have you ever been, employed by a hedge fund?"
Bullshista!
Without hedges, most farmers would go broke, including all those family farmers who use the hedge markets to insure against catastrophic losses. Many companies in other industries do the same. There is nothing illegal or immoral about it.
What you object to is what we all object to, the use of the hedge market to game the hedge market. That's what happened during W's administration that brought down the world economy. I recommend two books to help you see what really happened.
The Big Short: Inside the doomsday machine by Michael Lewis. Beautifully written, entertaining, and very informative. Explains how and what went wrong. It's kind of an inside the sausage factory view, written by a former sausage maker. A must read, filled with true characters at the crux of events.
Too Big To Fail by Andrew Ross Sorkin. The story of the Lehman failure, the impending ultimate worldwide economic collapse, and the TARP bailout. A compendious volume with a huge cast of characters, focussing on Hank Paulsen and TARP.
These two are two different views of the same story. They dovetail well, but a bit obliquely. Lewis was an insider, but no journalist -- but a great story teller. Sorkin, a journalist is not as fun, but his compendious account is imformative and fairly complete. However, it does not look inside the sausage making like Lewis' oeuvre. Start with Lewis. Then, when suitably horrified, see how the US handled it with Sorkin. After a somewhat deeper plunge into the political machine, you will be doubly horrified.
As investment manager Steve Eisman is quoted by Michael Lewis, "This is legal?"
Astounding story.
I suspect that none of it has anything to do with Chelsea Clinton since hedge funds do have proper, moral, and legal uses.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)I wonder if she has DU up next to Scottrade?
treestar
(82,383 posts)I agree.
It must be Hillary herself. Who else would get so vehement?
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Roy Rolling
(6,908 posts)Yeah, I don't get it either.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Good thing I wasn't called a Nazi too......LOL
Just a McCarthyite...because of my fantasy football picks.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Pity that hearkens "fantasy football" for you, and an even BIGGER pity that you would put ONE against the OTHER. Amy Carter lives near Atlanta. Why can't we have both, were Ms Carter inclined to give an interview AT ALL (<<<----she doesn't) The title of your OP is particularly telling.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Both being daughters of recent Democratic presidents.
Did by chance you forget the sarcasm tag?
longship
(40,416 posts)So what should I take away from the mention of Clinton's daughter in this post? I can only presume that it connects with the unwarranted and hideous vitriol flung at Chelsea Clinton on these forums the past 24 hours.
Why else would anybody put that contrast in a post?
It is a despicable, and unconscionable malignment of a person of which none of you know about. Just because she worked at a hedge fund?
Fuck you all who would demonize her for that alone. You have no knowledge of why she worked there, what she did there, or what her priorities are.
But you demonize her nonetheless.
A pox on all your houses.
At long last, have you no decency? Shame on all of you.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Dear Mr. Longship,
I just clicked on this thread while having my late morning coffee(have the flu), and only got this far.
Man, you need to take some meds or calm down. Life is too short... Anger like that can help bring on cancer, heart attacks, strokes, and all manner of other not good stuff...
chill out..
longship
(40,416 posts)Then, tell me that I should calm down.
What has been happening here is nothing short of demonizing a person who has done nothing to deserve it. It is smarmy and dispicible and I will not let it go on without speaking my mind.
No! I will not calm down about this.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)repeal of Glass Steagall, and the entire business model she ascribes to is designed to benefit the rich (above the law) bankers is no reason not to make her a saint!!!
Plenty of saints worked to steal everything in sight while providing nothing of worth for mankind and these bastards should bloody well know that!!!
If anything we should worship our betters and keep them above all laws and investigations because a princess needs lots of money we DON"T NEED!!!
We would only waste it on food and not imaginary products designed to enrich the really good people that deserve more than the rest of us that produce "things that are real and have value". The true value of worth is shuffling papers and making a profit while the ingrate whiners get to be poor AS THEY SHOULD BE!!
Damnit, I hate those that hate tiaras and the entitlement of the elite. They tend to be dirty and sweaty from creating all the things a princess needs while shuffling papers.
Those pissant peasants really need to learn their place damnit!!!!!!
longship
(40,416 posts)Before it's too late.
Disgusting.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)live off the honest work of actual labor.
Becoming obscenely rich while producing nothing is not a thing to be admired when it is at the cost of the wealth of people that actually make things, sell things, and are productive.
Parasites are interesting creatures well adapted to leach energy, but not much to admire about them and the host is always healthier without the leaches attached that PRODUCE NOTHING BUT OBSCENE WEALTH at the expense of the host.
What has this or any other hedge funder contributed to society? why do they deserve wealth for providing nothing?
Why do you idolize parasites in general?
longship
(40,416 posts)I malign McCarthyism, or anybody who would paint with such a broad brush.
These posts are utterly dispicible. What has this woman done to you that you all want to figuratively lynch her here.
I am disgusted by all of your illogical and totally idiotic McCarthyism.
I am done here.
I don't care what you think.
longship
(40,416 posts)Unless you've paid attention to the other Chelsea Clinton threads here on DU the last 24 hours. That is what I was addressing, and what the OP was addressing in a sota voce way.
Check it out for yourself.
Done here, too.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)And the iPhone doesn't correct Italian.
Logical
(22,457 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)At long last. Have you no decency?
Logical
(22,457 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Enough is enough. Chelsea Clinton has done nothing to DU.
I am utterly disgusted by this.
I am done with this utter lunacy.
Alas, have you no decency?
Apparently not.
Logical
(22,457 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)If you haven't, I apologize. If you have, shame on you.
I am done in this thread.
he's better, by far than aynryan the racist teabagger and mittflip.
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)Uh, in what sense?
longship
(40,416 posts).
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)When you used the adjective in question, my first thought was, "At exactly what frequency, Kenneth?" It would have been easy to guess "rhetorical," as opposed to several other very real options.
The OP's use of two presidential offspring -- each symbolizing a very distinct segment of what people here view as "democratic values" -- obviously offends some. That is a risk that I suppose is unavoidable on an internet discussion site that focuses, in large part, upon those distinctions.
Again, thank you for taking the time to answer my question.
longship
(40,416 posts)She didn't even say she was running for office. She said she wouldn't rule it out, more or less.
So a portion of DU starts jumping down her throat about her working for a hedge fund.
But she's not running for fucking office!!!
It's utter DU bullshit. Demonizing a person who is not running for office is bullshit.
This whole thing started with a post of her picture the other day. She is very attractive. I don't know what's going on, but that's when the demonizing began.
Why? It is so destructive that I do not understand what I can only call hatred of all things Chelsea.
Why? Why???? Fucking why????????
What did she do that brings this kind of hatred? DU was worse than Limbaugh calling her a dog. Shame on them. Nobody deserves that.
At long last. Where is their sense of decency? Apparently some DUers have none.
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)I've noticed a couple others that report on speculation that she may be running for the US Senate. This OP presents the author's viewpoint, that he would prefer to vote for Amy Carter than Chelsea Clinton. I do not think that it is accurate to say that this "demonizes" Chelsea in any way. It simply uses her and Amy as a vehicle to illustrate two very different democratic ideologies.
It would require tortured logic to pretend the two represent the same democratic values. I believe the OP makes a valid point. The histrionic responses simply reinforce that point.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Those posts were about Chelsea running for office.
No one is maligning the woman.
Chill
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Someone doing real work vice being a well handled C list celebrity
Note: We agree on some things...
ananda
(28,834 posts)Neither kid is running for anything.
xmas74
(29,670 posts)Is Amy running for a national office? If she is I'd love to know-I'd check out her platform any day! You don't hear from her all that often. I'd just assumed she was happy with what she's doing right now, though I'm sure the support would be there if she ever made a decision of that nature.
As to Chelsea-she's not running right now. She never actually said she would run. What she did say was that basically she'd keep her options open in the future. Other sections of the article made mention that her more immediate plans in the next few years were to start a family. Let's wait until the kids come along and then see what happens-peoples plans change and so does their perspective. With a child she could become more conservative or she could become one of the most liberal public figures. Heck, if she has a child she might decide not to even consider a run for office.
Let's cross that bridge-either bridge-when we come to it. Until then the speculation is just silly.
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)every day.
Recommended.
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)you would have voted for McCain? Interesting.
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)a game there. Way too simple.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)obnoxiousdrunk
(2,909 posts)TheManInTheMac
(985 posts)ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)talking about voting for people who aren't running for anything??? talk about exercise in futility...
sP
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)maligned here on DU. Amy Carter hangs out with Abby Hoffman and was kicked out of Brown.
dflprincess
(28,072 posts)so it would be a little hard for Amy Carter to hang out with him.
And she declined an opportunity to return to Brown.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)dflprincess
(28,072 posts)Present tense.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Never mind.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,392 posts)If Chelsea Clinton wants to run for office somewhere, she can and it will be up to the voters to determine her merits and qualifications for public office. Considering the number of RW hacks running for office, I don't see why she would be any less competent and/or qualified than any of them to do so. And for gosh sakes, if you don't like her because she hasn't "done anything" or you don't like the idea of political dynasties, just.don't.vote.for.her! No need IMHO to start a pointless flame war over two women whose parents happened to be Presidents of the United States at one time.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)is billy boy was responsible, in a large way, for the state of our MSM today, communications act, also nafta, and the taking away of safety nets for the most needy. Little chelsea is a spoiled little princess who I suspect is a 1percenter or wannabe.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)A direct beneficiary of the repeal of Glass Steagall.
She may be very nice, I don't know as I have never met her, but she is big bank, big m money all the way.
After his reforms, daddy likely told her what field to be in to cash in, but what father wouldn't?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)Last edited Fri Aug 17, 2012, 10:42 AM - Edit history (1)
you are entitled to draw comparisons between these two offspring of past presidents. don't let all the faux offended here put you off your right to comment, in a healthy way, on any subject you please. There is still your right to free speech, although some will attack you for it. I like amy carter's responsible efforts also. also I am through with responding to any and all BLUE DOG DEMOCRATS on democratic party people warts and rethug/teabagger apologizing. I now know who you are.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)but many don't know of Amy's activism which I always thought was cool.
She won't run, the water cooler is now closed
lets get back to work and bash republicans.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)for your vote. And yes let's get off the democratic party people warts and get back to the REAL problem aynryan and mittflip.. Oh and as an aside, just because you call it stupid speculation, your uninformed ego, doesn't make it so
revolution breeze
(879 posts)I know she opened they eyes of many of our generation. Here was the daughter of a former President being hauled off to jail for her beliefs. Chelsea is still young and has not had the same life experiences yet.
Lars39
(26,106 posts)Seriously, speculations on her jumping into politics at the state or national level? What about local? For more than a token few years, too. And I'd say the same about anybody considering politics.
revolution breeze
(879 posts)Get to know the people you want to represent first.
nevergiveup
(4,756 posts)RevStPatrick
(2,208 posts)...that makes me really embarrassed to be a DUer, a liberal, an American and a human being.
Seriously, this is the kind of thing that makes me keep a total separation of my DU life with the rest of my social networking life. I will often link to original stories that I see first on DU, but I have never once linked a DU thread directly to Facebook. Because I find this place embarrassing at times, and I don't want real people to know that I spend time here.
On Facebook, I proudly back up everything I say with my real name and face, but I would never do that here because of things like this (among so, so many other things). I do find DU to be the absolute best news aggregator on the internet, which is why I'm happy to pay for it to exist. And, of course, much of the discussion is lively. And then there's shit like this.
I've long believed that anonymity on the internet allows people to say the most ridiculous things possible, things that they would never actually say out loud. I've really welcomed the trend, particularly among younger people, to say things on the webz using their real names and identities. Although there is certainly plenty of ridiculousness on Facebook, people do have to back up that ridiculousness with their real lives.
Not so here...
Sugarcoated
(7,716 posts)and will never do it again. There's lots of good, smart people here, but some are just miserable and want to spread that misery, or come here to fight and argue.
I agree, this thread is petty and pointless.
RevStPatrick
(2,208 posts)...and his response was "Ah yes, your daily two minutes hate!"
But again... I do think this place is the best news aggregator on the internet, for the kind of news that I'm interested in.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)you are so right, and then when the whiners/detractors/distractors get offended by a person going right back at em, they whine to admin and get a person banned from responding got to be real careful with all the bluedogs on here, they hate Obama as bad as any rethug or teabagger.
riverbendviewgal
(4,252 posts)and very petty.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)These two Democratic women are from different States and regions, meaning that there is only one office they could run for against each other, President. I consider it highly unlikely that either of them would ever want that gig.
So two Democrats who are not running for office and never have, from different States. What is the point of such a discussion? All I take away from it is that many seem to think women are xerox copies of their fathers, to be judged not as people but as objects.
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)of this OP. I get that you don't like Chelsea Clinton, I get that you do like Amy Carter and would vote for her. Are either running for office?
Perhaps the intent of this is to stir the pot? Maybe you're looking for people to agree with you that Amy Carter is way better than Chelsea Clinton. Maybe we could compare past democratic Presidents and argue about which one we'd vote for today, it seems that it would be equally as productive.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,153 posts)Are we going to be debating Malia and Sasha next? How does Caroline Kennedy fit in?
Bottom line: Chelsea, Amy, Caroline, Malia, Sasha.....all are good people. They all grew up in the public spotlight and--at least in Caroline, Amy and Chelsea's case--have developed into wonderful, bright people. (And I have no doubt Malia and Sasha will follow suit.)
Unlike, you know, these ladies:
But this whole conversation is ridiculous.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Coyote_Bandit
(6,783 posts)Why are we discussing this?
Who cares? If Amy and Chelsea are not runing against each other seeking votes for public office then there is no need to compare their qualifications for office. Such comparison is simply irrelevant.
If the Clintons and the Obamas are able to work together to advance Democratic causes then perhaps Dems should quit perpetutating familial resentments. Hating Chelsea because she's a Clinton is an outdated agenda. Time to move on.
Perhaps this is an indictment of Dems who have not faced criminal charges for their political activism. I would imagine that likely includes the majority of DUers. It is possible to be deeply committed to Dem principles and to openly support Dem causes without committing criminal acts and facing criminal charges. Crossing that line can foreclose future opportunities and end careers. Condemning such folks seems a little ..... uh, for lack of a better term, ...... self-righteous.
Or maybe there is a hint of class resentment in this post. Both Amy and Chelsea had opportunities not available to most. Amy may have been a political protestor but eventually she went to work for Daddy. Chelsea went to work in the financial industry. Guess what? There are millions of Americans who work in the financial industry who are neither rich nor highly compensated - and there are several here who are long-time DUers. Believe it or not it is possible to work in the financial industry and be committed to Dem causes. Tens of millions of people earn their livlihood by offering goods and services to people who have far more financial resources than they. Chelsea got that financial services job because she had a minimum level of competence and carried the Clinton name and political connections. It's a "good job" to be sure - but you are mistaken if you believe she is entrusted with the power to make strategic or policy decisions. Like most, her labor is performed at someone else's bidding.
I'll give the OP the benefit of the doubt and assume that the implications of this post simply were not well thought out.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)issues that would help the country and women. I don't see a problem.
yellowcanine
(35,693 posts)What is the premise for this construct, anyway?
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)until she actually runs?
The Right wing psy-ops must be laughing their ass off knowing the democrat circular firing squad is still loaded with ammo.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)RZM
(8,556 posts)Since Billy has been gone a while now.
Still, that's a matchup I'd like to see.