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Thu Nov 29, 2018, 05:53 PM

Any thoughts on if PENCE KNEW?

My money is on that he knew EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Reply Any thoughts on if PENCE KNEW? (Original post)
bluestarone Nov 2018 OP
mainstreetonce Nov 2018 #1
bluestarone Nov 2018 #2
lagomorph777 Nov 2018 #45
LuckyCharms Nov 2018 #3
Hortensis Nov 2018 #22
Eyeball_Kid Nov 2018 #59
Hortensis Nov 2018 #64
nycbos Nov 2018 #4
kysrsoze Nov 2018 #5
bluestarone Nov 2018 #8
dalton99a Nov 2018 #39
Hassler Nov 2018 #6
Lindsay Nov 2018 #7
OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2018 #55
LW1977 Nov 2018 #9
Jarqui Nov 2018 #10
bluestarone Nov 2018 #11
Jarqui Nov 2018 #19
Duppers Nov 2018 #44
ffr Nov 2018 #12
bluestarone Nov 2018 #13
Wellstone ruled Nov 2018 #14
doc03 Nov 2018 #15
bluestarone Nov 2018 #16
leftieNanner Nov 2018 #18
Tanuki Nov 2018 #29
SWBTATTReg Nov 2018 #17
Vinca Nov 2018 #20
bluestarone Nov 2018 #23
Blue Owl Nov 2018 #21
DFW Nov 2018 #24
bluestarone Nov 2018 #25
diva77 Nov 2018 #42
uponit7771 Nov 2018 #26
bluestarone Nov 2018 #27
rickford66 Nov 2018 #28
bluestarone Nov 2018 #32
rickford66 Nov 2018 #35
Polybius Nov 2018 #58
rickford66 Nov 2018 #61
MichMary Nov 2018 #66
rickford66 Nov 2018 #67
MichMary Nov 2018 #68
rickford66 Nov 2018 #70
MichMary Nov 2018 #71
rickford66 Nov 2018 #72
Polybius Dec 2018 #74
Amishman Nov 2018 #43
saidsimplesimon Nov 2018 #30
Cracklin Charlie Nov 2018 #31
bluestarone Nov 2018 #34
volstork Nov 2018 #33
BigDemVoter Nov 2018 #36
Bettie Nov 2018 #37
dlk Nov 2018 #38
triron Nov 2018 #40
bluestarone Nov 2018 #41
ananda Nov 2018 #46
allgood33 Nov 2018 #47
Chiyo-chichi Nov 2018 #48
smirkymonkey Nov 2018 #49
ChoppinBroccoli Nov 2018 #50
OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2018 #51
Mike Nelson Nov 2018 #52
bluestarone Nov 2018 #54
MFGsunny Nov 2018 #53
bluestarone Nov 2018 #56
redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #57
KPN Nov 2018 #60
bluestarone Nov 2018 #62
samplegirl Nov 2018 #63
Bayard Nov 2018 #65
BigDemVoter Nov 2018 #69
Hekate Nov 2018 #73
peggysue2 Dec 2018 #75
dflprincess Dec 2018 #76
guillaumeb Dec 2018 #77

Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 05:54 PM

1. Oh that would be too sweet

Bring it on!

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Response to mainstreetonce (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 05:56 PM

2. YEP maybe the top 20 REPUGS

Could be involved!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to mainstreetonce (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 09:28 AM

45. Pence is in on all of it, up to his eyeballs.

He's going down too.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 05:56 PM

3. Yep, these people operate like...

no one talks to each other, and everything happens in a vacuum. Things just do not work that way in real life.

They play the public for fools.

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Response to LuckyCharms (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 06:35 PM

22. Right. Pence is the visible head of a power center,

and information is power. I don't believe he's presidential-smarts material, but nor is he stupid. The question isn't what he knew but what can be proven he knew, or perhaps just what might cause a critical loss of public confidence in his innocence.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #22)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:09 AM

59. His handling of Mike Flynn opens the door to his knowledge of everything.

Pence is a phony. His pious persona is paper thin. At heart, he's an amoral power hungry monster who was caught approving of Flynn's access to classified information when he KNEW that Flynn was a foreign agent. And he did so because it's what HE wanted, and what Trumpy wanted. So Pence is, IMO, a target who will be indicted.

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Response to Eyeball_Kid (Reply #59)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:40 AM

64. Worse, I believe Pence combines genuine religious zealotry with

a belief in the need of the people for the stability provided by strong ruling classes and authoritarian government. Serving god through business and dutiful people, a born natural fascist, and of course highly immoral -- he doesn't know it though. Same for Romney. The right's elevating a pack of them in this era, no coincidence.

Mueller hasn't interviewed Pence yet... Hope, hope. We think we know about Flynn, but what else? Pence was active and in the middle of everything through much of the campaign and transition eras, and of course now.

When I spoke of info and power, I was thinking that powerful people and their groups spend a lot of money and effort gathering information about everything that might affect them -- while presumably trying to maintain plausible deniability. All those in the Republican Party leadership, and among most of their big, dark-money donors, like the Koch alliance of hundreds of extremely wealthy people (themselves all power centers) have to know a great deal that we don't.

But it absolutely would have been the business of Pence and his backers, who include the Kochs, to know.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 05:57 PM

4. I forgot who...

... but someone said "Pence is smart enough to get up and leave the room when Russia is mentioned"

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Response to kysrsoze (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 06:00 PM

8. YEP sure is!!!

WOW i tell you just WOW!!!

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Response to kysrsoze (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 07:30 PM

39. +1

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 05:57 PM

6. Pence was Manafart's idea. So yeah, he knows all of it.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 05:58 PM

7. I think Pence

doesn't know much of anything about anything.

But I can't forget that it was Manafort who manipulated Trump into choosing Pence. There's gotta be a reason for that, and it can't be an innocent one, not from Manafort.

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Response to Lindsay (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:48 AM

55. There is a Russia - Pence connection

 

His brother was a lobbyist(?) or Exec for Cummins Diesel engines. He was very much involved with export of engines and Russia was a big customer.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 06:07 PM

9. He's up to his Albino eyebrows in it....

Or so says Sean Comiskey of the Stephanie Miller Show.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 06:08 PM

10. Rachel did some shows some time ago

that establish some slippery stuff about Pence during the transition involving Flynn

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 06:10 PM

11. oh i can only hope!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whitaker to i hope!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #19)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 09:27 AM

44. Thank you!

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 06:10 PM

12. Well he did visit with the Ecuadorian president about Assange recently

if that's what you mean.

I think the official line was that they were talking finance. But the Assange WikiLeaks news timing is uncomfortably coincidental for Pence, if you ask me. Plus, he has a Mike Flynn problem.

Let's hope Mueller's final report doesn't come out until 2019, just in case.

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Response to ffr (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 06:13 PM

13. RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 06:15 PM

14. He will be gone shortly after he pardon's

Dipstick Donnie and is replaced by the Speaker of the House.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 06:18 PM

15. I think Ryan and McTurtle were in it up to thier necks too nt

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Response to doc03 (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 06:20 PM

16. ABSOLUTELY

Feeling the same way here!!!

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Response to doc03 (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 06:29 PM

18. It has been reported

That McConnell's PAC took many millions of Rubles.

He has to be dirty.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 06:43 PM

29. Ryan hushed up Kevin McCarthy when he said he suspected Trump and Rohrabacher

were Kremlin stooges,, insisting that they keep what he just said "in the family."

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 06:29 PM

17. I think a whole lot of them were more involved than anyone suspected (far more then we ...

anticipated)...makes sense, you got everyone supposedly going in one direction under rump during the campaign in 2016. rump is not intelligent enough to pull in all of the strings so even though he knew of the 'collusion' he wasn't sharp enough (or running his mouth as he usually does would have ruined things, so the Russians picked someone else to run the whole thing).

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 06:32 PM

20. And Nunes.

We're going to need a whole, new wing at a federal prison. It should be called the Robert Swan Mueller III Correctional Facility.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 06:36 PM

23. OH THIS i'm really wanting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 06:34 PM

21. The Motherlodestar

n/t

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 06:37 PM

24. Here are my thoughts on Pence knew

PENCE KNEW!!

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Response to DFW (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 06:40 PM

25. OH yea

WE definitely AGREE!

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Response to DFW (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 07:44 PM

42. Thank you for your thoughtful discussion.



(I agree)

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 06:40 PM

26. Or he didn't want to know and that's even worse

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 06:42 PM

27. YEP!!

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 06:42 PM

28. Wow. Pelosi could be the next Pres

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Response to rickford66 (Reply #28)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 06:45 PM

32. THIS possible??

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #32)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 07:04 PM

35. If there's two impeachments and convictions ....

the Speaker of the House becomes President. It could happen. I won't bet on it though. Just a fantasy.

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Response to rickford66 (Reply #35)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:55 AM

58. No way will the Senate vote to convict unless there is a Republican next in line

If the evidence is overwhelming on both, they will convict and remove Trump, but insist that the House confirms President Pence's VP pick first before they remove him. Probably Mitt Romney.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #58)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:12 AM

61. Notice I said fantasy.

It's possible but not probable. And why would Pence get to choose a VP if both he and
Trump were convicted at the same time ? If Pence became president, he wouldn't pick his VP. Nixon didn't choose his VP when Agnew quit. I believe Congress agreed somehow. And Congress somehow picked Ford's VP (Rocky). But in the end, your scenario would be more likely.

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Response to rickford66 (Reply #61)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 02:07 PM

66. Because they would not be simultaneously convicted.

Won't happen.

If Pence is prez for even five minutes after Trumpy gets the boot, he gets to nominate a new VP.

The Senate is still in R hands, and will confirm anyone Pence nominates.

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Response to MichMary (Reply #66)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 07:00 PM

67. Pence couldn't nominate anyone. Congress appoints as in the past.

Nixon didn't nominate Ford and Ford didn't nominate Rocky. He may prefer someone but Congress decides.

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Response to rickford66 (Reply #67)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 07:05 PM

68. Section 2 of the 25th Amendment

Section 2.
Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

Nixon did nominate Ford.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Gerald_Ford#Accession

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Response to MichMary (Reply #68)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 07:10 PM

70. I was going by memory. I apologize. You are correct.

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Response to rickford66 (Reply #70)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 07:13 PM

71. It was my senior year of high school

We studied it intensely.

Don't know what would happen if the House refused to confirm an R VP nomination. I suspect they would have to come up with a nominee that would be a compromise.

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Response to MichMary (Reply #71)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:03 PM

72. I often ask people who Ford's VP was.

It stumps lots of them. Great trivia question.

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Response to rickford66 (Reply #61)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 02:09 PM

74. They would never be impeached and convicted at the same time

If anything, there would be two separate trails and after Trump was removed (or steps down), President Pence picks a VP that must be confirmed.

When Agnew quit, Nixon did indeed send the nominee (Ford) to Congress for approval. The President picks whoever he wants, but is subject to approval from Congress. Ford was well-respected on both sides, and was easily confirmed. Once Ford became President, he nominated his own VP, who was also easily confirmed. I'd expect Pence to nominate someone non-controversial, although these days it won't be easy to find a well-liked Republican anywhere. Probably Romney would get chosen, and confirmed fairly easily.

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #32)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 07:50 PM

43. About as possible as world peace. Pubs will never ever vote to surrender the Presidency

Doesn't matter what evidence is found or how horrible their crimes, they will never hand us the White House early.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 06:43 PM

30. Easy peasey,

He is a co-conspirator. Let the Hunger Games begin.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 06:44 PM

31. IF he knew?

They told him (Elijah Cummings, Sally Yates), and he did nothing.

At that point, whether he knew or not doesn’t matter.

He knew, because they told him, and he did either nothing, or furthered the cover up. Busted.

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Response to Cracklin Charlie (Reply #31)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 06:47 PM

34. He's cooked!!!

This could be VERY interesting for sure!!

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 06:45 PM

33. Of course

he knew. He participated. As did turtle and ryan.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 07:07 PM

36. I'm 100% with you. . . .

I bet that stupid, fucking Bible thumper knew EVERYTHING about it. What a goddamned waste of space. . . . .

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 07:07 PM

37. The phrase I have heard is

Mike Pence is up to his albino eyebrows in this.

I tend to agree.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 07:28 PM

38. There's a Reason Manafort Chose Pence for Vice President

Keeping a low profile won't make a difference. I would bet Mueller has evidence of the entire conspiracy.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 07:34 PM

40. Yep he knew.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2018, 07:37 PM

41. Maybe with this mess ALL pardons could be stopped?

Who knows what Mueller has right?

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 09:29 AM

46. I'd put money on it too!

Might get rich off of it, lol.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 09:32 AM

47. He knew and he will either go down with Trump or strike a sealed deal.

 

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 09:41 AM

48. The truth about Mike Pence is...

...that he is actually dried Elmer's glue in the shape of a man.

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Response to Chiyo-chichi (Reply #48)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:01 AM

49. LOL!

I love this!

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:41 AM

50. There's No Way He COULDN'T Have Known

When Trump wanted to pick somebody else as his running mate, it was Manafort who told him to pick Pence, a guy he'd never met before. Pence was the head of the transition team. He signed off on EVERYTHING Flynn and Manafort did. If Pence didn't specifically authorize all their Russian contacts, then he certainly knew about them. And if he claims to not know what they were doing, he has to be the dumbest, most incompetent leader of all time. Either way, he was either in on it or he's so dumb and incompetent that he's unfit to run the Slurpee machine at 7-11, let alone the country.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:42 AM

51. GOP should change it's name to OCP

 

Organized Crime Party

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:45 AM

52. Of course...

… he knew. I think the Republicans want to protect him, tho...

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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #52)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:47 AM

54. Agree

The REPUBLITOADS will do anything to keep one of them!!

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:47 AM

53. K & R

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Response to MFGsunny (Reply #53)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:49 AM

56. Welcome to this great site

TY for the kick

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:52 AM

57. Of course he did!

He is a slimy snake in the grass. Notice how absent he has been lately? He is hiding out waiting for what "God has promised him" the presidency.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:11 AM

60. Get this straight. It's not just Pence. It's the whole frigging GOP. This was a Coup d'Etat

carried out by the GOP with the intentionally obtained aid and abetment of a foreign power.

This was a treasonous act of the highest order.

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Response to KPN (Reply #60)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:13 AM

62. Great post and

Man do i FULLY AGREE!!!!!! These bastards were ready to give our country away!!!!!! NO DOUBT IN MY MIND!!!!!

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:22 AM

63. Everyone knew

In the Whitehouse! Everyone there was no way of not!

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 12:36 PM

65. We are having a hard enough time

Getting tRump dislodged from the White House, even with his blatant crimes. The Senate will never toss Pence. Yertle and Ryan would be pure fantasy.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 07:09 PM

69. That Psalm-Singing Motherfucker Knew ALL of it. . .

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:06 PM

73. Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? Bwa-ha-ha. The Mueller Knows.....

Tip of the hat to The Shadow.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 02:16 PM

75. Pence was handpicked by Manafort and

he headed the Transition Team. He knew everything. He went along to get close to the WH, fulfill his God-given ambition to transform the country into a theocratic nightmare. He was willing to ride the Trumpster's coat tails to accomplish that.

He knew EVERYTHING.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 02:22 PM

76. He knew

And my biggest fear is the Republicans will pressure both Trump and Pence to resign before January 3rd which would make Ryan president.

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Response to bluestarone (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2018, 02:33 PM

77. Pence is the controller.

As Bush Sr. was for Reagan.

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