Giuliani frustrated @ Mueller's tactics. White House in defensive crouch. "It's untethered situation

[hlthe2b]

Gabe Sherman's latest at VF:

“Trump Was Totally Caught Off Guard by the Cohen Plea”: Inside Trumpworld, Some Fear Mueller Has Laid a Perjury Trap
Rudy Giuliani is frustrated at Mueller’s tactics. The White House is in a defensive crouch. “It’s an untethered situation,” a person close to the president said.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/11/inside-trumpworld-some-fear-mueller-has-laid-a-perjury-trap

Exactly what Michael Cohen told Robert Mueller has been among the most unnerving unknowns for those closest to the president ever since Trump’s longtime fixer began cooperating with the Russia probe in the summer. “If anyone can blow up Trump, it’s him,” a former West Wing official told me in June. The detonation began on Thursday, when Cohen pleaded guilty to lying to Congress, accompanied by a detailed plea agreement, a new set of facts that begin to fill in a picture. To the Trump camp, it looked ominous. “The Cohen news is very bad,” a former White House staffer said.

The fear in Trumpworld is that Mueller may have laid a perjury trap for the president, the former staffer said. Mueller waited until after Trump submitted written answers under oath to the special counsel’s office—some of which reportedly included responses to questions about Trump Tower Moscow—before revealing the evidence prosecutors had gathered to secure Cohen’s plea. “Trump was totally caught off guard by the Cohen plea,” the source said.

--snip--
In the days leading up to Cohen’s plea, Trump’s legal team had grown increasingly annoyed with the special counsel’s office for stonewalling. Giuliani vented to a friend that that Mueller’s office stopped communicating with him after he delivered Trump’s answers. “They’ve gone dark,” the friend who spoke with Giuliani, said. “Rudy is extremely frustrated. He thinks Mueller is acting like some junior U.S. attorney who’s got his panties in a wad and doesn’t want to talk to you.” Giuliani also complained that Mueller is delaying submitting his report to the Justice Department until the Democrats have taken control of the House of Representatives in January. (Giuliani did not respond to a request for comment.)

Cohen’s plea also re-ignited fears that the president’s son, Don Jr., will be next to be indicted. “Don’s been telling people he’s very worried after today,” a source said. (Don Jr.’s attorney did not immediately respond to a request for comment.) Mueller now appears to be driving the West Wing agenda, with the principals in a reactive crouch; there’s a sense of loss of control. “It’s an untethered situation,” a person close to the president said. --more--

[skylucy]

1. ...

[vlyons]

2. Here's why I want Trump Jr to go down

Need I say more?

[hlthe2b]

3. I'm with you there... That photo is devastating to me.

[lilactime]

31. I'd like to see them covered in gravy and thrown into

a pit with a bunch of wild cats.

[think4yourself]

36. That sounds delicious!

Not to eat, but to watch.

[pazzyanne]

32. Count me in, too. I have had nightmares since I saw those grinning idiots

happily displaying the bodies of those beautiful animals. No sympathy for anything that happens to the idiots!

[LuckyCharms]

37. +1 n/t

[MiniMe]

4. Good

Remember, never let them see you sweat

[Dave in VA]

5. Whomp, whomp...

n/t

[Jarqui]

6. 'there's a sense of loss of control. "It's an untethered situation,"'

... kind of like some of us felt Nov 2016 after the election had been stolen ... except it lacks words like 'horrified' 'disillusioned' 'outraged' ...

[Ccarmona]

7. A Sense of Loss of Control....

That’s

They really haven’t paid attention. They NEVER were in control.

Lies and Lying become a full-time job in keeping their stories straight; this group of criminals also has shit for brains. That’s a bad combination.

[Freethinker65]

8. IOW, Trump assured Rudy info would be leaked by Trump loyalists so they could get ahead of the story

[RockRaven]

9. Rudy, Rudy, Rudy... It isn't that Mueller doesn't WANT to talk to you, it's that he doesn't NEED to

and you and your client are so full of crap anyway that it is a waste of time too.

[Buckeyeblue]

10. As much as I would like to see it as well...

I think it is a bad idea. I wonder if the public would sour at the idea of the son going down for the crimes of his father. Jr just does what daddy demands. He has no choice, really.

[erronis]

22. Which "public"? And no one is talking about taking Barron, Don Jr., and the other one down without

taking down the ultimate Con/Don.

(Sorry - can't remember all the dump family names and d'alliances.)

[Mr.Bill]

25. Yes he does have a choice.

He's not 12 years old.

[Kaleva]

30. Don Jr. was a willing attack dog for his dad. I'd love to see him and his sister go down.

[llmart]

33. He's a grown ass adult...

so, yes he does/did have a choice. He chose to be scum and a criminal to follow in his daddy's footsteps.

Give me a break.

[Cracklin Charlie]

11. "Untethered"?

What does that mean?

Explain yourself, unidentified staffer. Do it for your country.

[mcar]

12. Thoughts and prayers Dotard

[emulatorloo]

13. How to avoid perjury: Tell the truth n/t

[Blue_true]

17. Yep, that is the old fashioned way. And the only one proven to work. nt

[Stuart G]

19. Well said, "Tell the Truth" but of course we have a problem here..

That word has no meaning to the man in charge..and you too Rudy..............................
.....You may not know it, but a long time ago, in a world that seems far far far away by today's standards...I was told to, "Tell the truth." That was from the man and the lady who were in charge of our family..
..It seemed at the time the correct thing to do, so I did it. I ended up teaching students in a high school, and mentioned that idea a number of times as I taught U.S.History. It turned out that some of the students didn't listen to me, and they lied a lot to their teacher..And for a while, some got away with it.
..I didn't know that that was one of the lessons that I did not learn at the university that I attended, but after awhile, I learned through experience to be able to tell the liars from the non liars. Some of the liars thought they could get away with it with me, but they did not know that previous liars, (a few years earlier) had
taught me some lessons on teenage liars. Yes, it was indeed a hard lesson to learn, but if I was going to survive and prosper, I had to learn that lesson.
..As I learned that lesson in the high school with the students, I noticed after awhile, that the students were not the only liars around. There were parents who lied, and other teachers who lied, as well as some of the administrators (who were the bosses) who lied. Lots of liars around who kinda enjoyed the game of lying and getting away with it.
..But they did not know, that I had learned my lessons well and began to have a real sense on the liars vs the rest of us who..."Tell the Truth." A lot of those liars got into important positions of power. Still, they hadn't learned the lesson that I picked up the first few years of teaching in a high school. I guess the lesson is simple, and you nailed it.........To avoid perjury, "Tell The Truth"
..Poor Rudy and company..I guess they never learned that lesson........................???

[erronis]

23. Just to be a contrarian: Didn't work too well in the Inquisition (or many other examples.)

[Cha]

14. Awwwwwwwww

We weren't surprised by Cohen's Plea.. why was the Traitor of the United States?

We see whose "panties are in a wad", ghouli, and it ain't Robert Mueller's.

[BumRushDaShow]

15. "Cohen's plea also re-ignited fears that the president's son, Don Jr., will be next to be indicted."

I think Stone and/or Corsi may be next (if it happens), not Jr.

[ananda]

16. Was it ever tethered?

Now it's just more untethered...
if that's possible.

[DoctorJoJo]

18. Perjury Trap for Trump Starts Off with:

Mueller: "How tall are you? What do you weigh?" Then things really go downhill!

[erronis]

24. Good questions. And "Are you in good health and sane?"

Four easy questions and four falsehoods as answers.

(But he does live in an alternative universe.)

[Volaris]

35. Do you swear to tell the truth (etc.)....

[MaryMagdaline]

20. Rudy actually feels he is entitled to deference from Mueller

He is a total thug mob lawyer. And a bad one at that.

[keithbvadu2]

21. A perjury trap is impossible if you tell the truth.

A perjury trap is impossible if you tell the truth.

[Wounded Bear]

28. Ding! Ding! Ding!

Apparently, nobody in Trump world knows this.

[irresistable]

29. For Trump, a perjury trap is simply....

....a question. The only surefire legal strategy for avoiding that, in his case, involves gorilla tape.

[liberalhistorian]

26. Ghouliani is probably frustrated because

Mr. "a noun, a verb and 9/11" can't figure out this time how to relate all of this to 9/11. And he's finally starting to realize that no one is falling for that shit anymore, either.

[Me.]

27. There Is No Such Thing As A Perjury Trap

if you tell the truth

[Initech]

34. Can we just put it out there that Guiliani is a terrible attorney?

I'm just throwing that out there!

[LiberalFighter]

38. I'm wondering if Giuliani might be in legal trouble too?

[Honeycombe8]

39. I thought it seemed like Mueller was waiting to get those answers from Trump before moving further.

It does seem that way.



Who is talking to the press about how the Trump team is feeling & what they're saying? That would be very interesting to know.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

40. Maybe a little fix'en to the title will clarify somewhat.

Roodelphia Giuliani was totally blindsided ,lashed out in person.





He thinks Mueller is acting like some junior U.S. attorney who’s got his panties in a wad and doesn’t want to talk to you.

[Amaryllis]

41. We can offer thoughts and prayers for his sad.