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TheBlackAdder

(28,070 posts)
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 08:14 AM Nov 2018

Lindsey Graham: Perjury Just a "Process Crime". Did You Convict People As Judge Advocate On It?

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Lindsey Graham, the man with the Brett Kavanaugh vapors about how unfair he was treated, is now downplaying the seriousness of lying to the FBI and Congress. For some reason, it was enough for Bill Clinton impeachment, years back.


Trump Defenders Downplay New Cohen Plea: It’s Just Perjury!

The White House’s closest allies in Congress and the media are leaning on President Trump’s go-to line in downplaying Thursday’s news that Michael Cohen has entered into a plea deal with special counsel Robert Mueller.

Ignoring the meat of the development—that Cohen admitted he was working on a deal for the Trump Organization to develop a project in Moscow in the middle of Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign—Trump’s defenders have claimed that Mueller is forced to prosecute false statements because he has no stronger criminal charges to bring.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) dismissed Cohen’s new guilty plea, calling it “a process crime.”


https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/trump-allies-downplay-cohen-plea-just-perjury



Hey, Lindsey! If lying under oath is just a "Process Crime," I guess you didn't convict anyone while you were a Judge Advocate in the Air Force, or go after the opposition for lying in private practice. That's OK, Lindsey--I know you are lying too.

You're just a fucking liar like the rest of the Putin-loving GOP traitors.

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Lindsey Graham: Perjury Just a "Process Crime". Did You Convict People As Judge Advocate On It? (Original Post) TheBlackAdder Nov 2018 OP
Maybe "process crimes" are what Mueller plans to charge in order to get the goods on the real Vinca Nov 2018 #1
Graham on Bill Clinton's impeachment in 1999. CentralMass Nov 2018 #3
Thanks for posting this reminder of the GOPoast for impeachment Raven123 Nov 2018 #12
Exactly the point grantcart Nov 2018 #15
Graham is a follower, not a leader. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2018 #5
Both of them were/are angry, spiteful hateful men. pangaia Nov 2018 #6
Even McCain took Russian money... Trueblue Texan Nov 2018 #26
can't figure it out? johnnyfins Nov 2018 #27
This putrid turd was leftynyc Nov 2018 #2
Wasn't that the only charge against Clinton? Lying about his blow job? watoos Nov 2018 #8
No - there was a second charge leftynyc Nov 2018 #16
Even IF the only crimes Mueller could charge these cretins with were process crimes Mr. Ected Nov 2018 #4
time to put this asshat on the "always ignore" setting bringthePaine Nov 2018 #7
Process Crimes AKA Crimes Iggo Nov 2018 #9
Theyre getting charged with perjury so they are try8ng to make perjury seem like no big deal Fullduplexxx Nov 2018 #10
Lol yeah...and next treason will be A-OK, as long as it's against the ebil librul deepstat. Volaris Nov 2018 #30
Hmmm...a process crime that impeached a sitting President. Well, ok. allgood33 Nov 2018 #11
Not even that. Clinton never committed perjury. Major Nikon Nov 2018 #31
He knows better nuxvomica Nov 2018 #13
Jill Wine-Bank, the Nixon prosecutor, watoos Nov 2018 #14
Aunt Lindsey Racerdog1 Nov 2018 #17
Lindsay's on the payroll. Duppers Nov 2018 #18
I guess it's ok to lie because we are NOT a nation of laws. world wide wally Nov 2018 #19
that's what limbaugh says - process crime certainot Nov 2018 #20
So interesting how these right wing talking points spread so fast among their community of rats. Nitram Nov 2018 #22
if they want all their sycophants chewing the same cud they give it to limbaugh to prechew certainot Nov 2018 #23
Make no mistake it's more than Limbaugh, all of cable news pushes the right wing narratives. watoos Nov 2018 #25
yes but talk radio is the only major medium with no free easy alternatives - all other certainot Nov 2018 #36
The community of rats is the corporate controlled M$M. watoos Nov 2018 #24
The Republican Party: Hypocrisy-R-Us! Nitram Nov 2018 #21
Tell that to Bill Clinton Botany Nov 2018 #28
Not even that, really Major Nikon Nov 2018 #37
And he wants to be AG? malaise Nov 2018 #29
Ask Martha Stewart. n/t justgamma Nov 2018 #32
Yes Lindsay, and the process will get you every time Zambero Nov 2018 #33
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh..... TrishaJ Nov 2018 #34
"It's Merely a Flesh Wound" FreepFryer Nov 2018 #35

Vinca

(50,168 posts)
1. Maybe "process crimes" are what Mueller plans to charge in order to get the goods on the real
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 08:18 AM
Nov 2018

criminals. Lindsey knows what's going on. I can't figure out his schizophrenia since McCain died. He's really lost at sea without the guidance of his former best friend.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
3. Graham on Bill Clinton's impeachment in 1999.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 08:34 AM
Nov 2018
https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2018/08/24/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-impeachment-bill-clinton/1082277002/
"In 1999.

Graham, who was arguing at the time for impeachment of then-President Bill Clinton, said:

"You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic. If this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role. Because impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office." "
The link to a video with him making those remarks below.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
6. Both of them were/are angry, spiteful hateful men.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 09:24 AM
Nov 2018

You can't miss it in the revealing expressions often seen on their faces, the tight lips, glaring eyes. It is sickening.

To say nothing of their words and actions.

Trueblue Texan

(2,368 posts)
26. Even McCain took Russian money...
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:22 AM
Nov 2018

...I don't doubt Graham is similarly compromised. Now that he wasn't named AG he seems to have his drawers in a bit of a tuck towards Trump, but he's definitely continuing to behave as though he needs cover.

johnnyfins

(772 posts)
27. can't figure it out?
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:23 AM
Nov 2018

He was anti Trump and he switched to Pro Trump at the snap of a finger. People dont change like that. Especially politicians. Unless they are motivated to do so. Its simple. He has either been promised money, or the administration has serious dirt on him, or both.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
2. This putrid turd was
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 08:22 AM
Nov 2018

part of the whole Clinton impeachment effort A LARGE part. One of the charges he thought was important enough to derail a presidency for was perjury. We need every single reporter in his face reminding him of that.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
16. No - there was a second charge
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 09:56 AM
Nov 2018

of obstruction of justice (more irony for you as the cons are saying obstruction is another "process crime&quot and even that presidents can't commit obstruction.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
4. Even IF the only crimes Mueller could charge these cretins with were process crimes
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 09:03 AM
Nov 2018

They are crimes nonetheless and even moreso coming from the titular heads of our government.

But the process crimes were perpetrated in COVERING UP the more egregious crimes of money laundering, conspiracy, tax fraud, RICO, obstruction, and God knows what else.

WALL THEM UP. WALL THEM UP. WALL THEM UP.

bringthePaine

(1,726 posts)
7. time to put this asshat on the "always ignore" setting
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 09:25 AM
Nov 2018

really, its just all lies and bullshit, so why grant a platform
for any of it?

Major Nikon

(36,814 posts)
31. Not even that. Clinton never committed perjury.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:54 AM
Nov 2018

All he did was provide misleading answers about a blowjob that wasn't material to the matter before the court and had exactly zero to do with his office.

nuxvomica

(12,360 posts)
13. He knows better
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 09:47 AM
Nov 2018

Prosecutors don't charge people with perjury just for lying. The lie has to be about something material to the case and it must be made in an attempt to hide illegal behavior; the lie has to point to something bigger.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
14. Jill Wine-Bank, the Nixon prosecutor,
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 09:49 AM
Nov 2018

stated that people in the Nixon administration lied to Congress and Nixon knew they were lying. The fact that Nixon did not speak up and report their lies was one of the charges that was being used to impeach him.

My how times have changed.

Sunday school teacher Jimmy Carter had to sell his beloved peanut farm to avoid a potential conflict of interest.

 

Racerdog1

(808 posts)
17. Aunt Lindsey
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 09:57 AM
Nov 2018

Get out from under tRump's desk. You have made a big enough ass of yourself. Don't forget to wipe your chin.

world wide wally

(21,718 posts)
19. I guess it's ok to lie because we are NOT a nation of laws.
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 09:59 AM
Nov 2018

We are a nation of Trump.

Is that about right, Lindsey?

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
20. that's what limbaugh says - process crime
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:06 AM
Nov 2018

they're all going to say it and that's what the response should be in media - "that's what limbaugh says"

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
23. if they want all their sycophants chewing the same cud they give it to limbaugh to prechew
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:13 AM
Nov 2018

and lay out there on a silver platter with a toothpick in it

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
36. yes but talk radio is the only major medium with no free easy alternatives - all other
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:00 PM
Nov 2018

major media are part of the free speech spectrum

even fox has 'alternatives' a click away in most parts of the US

talk radio is also the only major medium that the republican (and russian) think tanks can coordinate on the local level.

limbaugh is point man although it's decreasing he still leads the pack. most national and local blowhards get the same material from similar sources. most of that bullshit and lies can't sell widely on TV on its own. radio is the only medium with a 50 mil a week audience getting it passively with no challenge from the other side of the spectrum. those memes and talking points - lies- can get prechewed and rechewed for months and years with great certitude as if they are fact.

people who listen and can't call then call the local shows and repeat the same crap in different ways to reinforce it and the local hosts don't correct and usually add to it.

talk radio is the only medium where these big lies can get repeated over and over without direct challenge. the consequences for ignoring it are hitting up in the face.

the whole email stupidity depended on their ability to chew that crap on the radio for years, and the dems and progressive orgs not only ignore it they don't even poll for it - the biggest political mistake in history

that is why the russians told trump to base his campaign on and learn to speak 'talk radio'. they studied it in 2014 (sam nunberg - new york magazine 4/3/16). all trump's talking points and policies to cater to the base are steeped in months and years of talk radio repetition. the russian trolls coordinated to it.

talk radio is the greatest single source of this alternate reality that just fucked us big time.

it is also the best opportunity to take trump and the gop out asap:

88 universities support 260 limbaugh stations

Artificial intelligence will force ad industry to kill RW radio. Dems can accelerate the inevitable.

Botany

(70,282 posts)
28. Tell that to Bill Clinton
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 10:35 AM
Nov 2018

In the republicans great 7 year 77 million $ b.j. hunt called White Water
they put Bill Clinton under oath and caught him lying about a blow job
and used that lie as grounds to impeach him. A "Process Crime" Ms. Lindsey?
Please, you no good little shit.

Major Nikon

(36,814 posts)
37. Not even that, really
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 01:24 PM
Nov 2018

It wasn't Clinton's fault Ann Coulter was too incompetent of a lawyer to legally define a blowjob.

Zambero

(8,954 posts)
33. Yes Lindsay, and the process will get you every time
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:15 AM
Nov 2018

Perjury, cover-up, obstruction of justice, all processes apart from the in initial criminal activity itself. In your infinite wisdom, do you have any plans to open up a Graham University? If so, Obvious Law 101 should be a required course.

TrishaJ

(797 posts)
34. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.....
Fri Nov 30, 2018, 11:25 AM
Nov 2018

but impeaching Bill Clinton where Graham led the charge "rule of law! rule of law! rule of law!" over PERJURY was necessary???

PALEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE, Lindsey, you hypocritical MOFO!!

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