HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » how likely is President P...

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:06 PM

how likely is President Pelosi in 2019?

and VP Clinton?

I feel like chances are high that Pelosi will end up POTUS - soon - would she pick Clinton to right a wrong?

35 replies, 3043 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 35 replies Author Time Post
Reply how likely is President Pelosi in 2019? (Original post)
TalenaGor Dec 2018 OP
Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #1
Jarqui Dec 2018 #2
Buckeyeblue Dec 2018 #7
Jarqui Dec 2018 #19
Buckeyeblue Dec 2018 #22
Jarqui Dec 2018 #28
Buckeyeblue Dec 2018 #30
Jarqui Dec 2018 #33
Buckeyeblue Dec 2018 #34
musette_sf Dec 2018 #3
TalenaGor Dec 2018 #5
SHRED Dec 2018 #6
pandr32 Dec 2018 #21
peggysue2 Dec 2018 #26
Sugarcoated Dec 2018 #4
manor321 Dec 2018 #8
TalenaGor Dec 2018 #18
brooklynite Dec 2018 #9
Wellstone ruled Dec 2018 #10
Garrett78 Dec 2018 #11
Autumn Dec 2018 #12
Garrett78 Dec 2018 #15
beachbum bob Dec 2018 #13
elocs Dec 2018 #14
Floyd R. Turbo Dec 2018 #16
Takket Dec 2018 #17
TalenaGor Dec 2018 #20
Awsi Dooger Dec 2018 #23
Hekate Dec 2018 #24
cynatnite Dec 2018 #25
RockRaven Dec 2018 #27
TalenaGor Dec 2018 #29
regnaD kciN Dec 2018 #31
onenote Dec 2018 #32
oberliner Dec 2018 #35

Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:12 PM

1. Hard to say, the rules that are vigorously applied to all Democrats are never applied

to any republican.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:12 PM

2. Close to zero

Trump/Pence will name a GOP replacement if they have to resign. As long as they do not resign at the same time, it is almost impossible.

Republican Minority Leader Gerald Ford replaced VP Spiro Agnew and then President Richard Nixon when Dems held the House.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jarqui (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:15 PM

7. Both houses of Congress have to confirm a VP replacement

So it's highly likely we'd go without one.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Buckeyeblue (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:38 PM

19. Therefore, it would be highly unlikely the GOP would impeach Trump

to turn the White House over to a Democrat.

The GOP just stole one of Obama's picks for the Supreme Court and put another on the Supreme Court with a very sketchy alleged past of sexually assaulting women - sometimes while heavily intoxicated. They're not going to do what is right or fair.

Nixon's concern with the 25th Amendment years before - when it was being considered - was that a President should not have to contend with a VP who was not ideologically compatible. Nixon wanted to use the Electoral College to avoid that. At the time of Agnew's resignation, Dems controlled the House and Senate.

I do not see the unethical, partisan Republicans ever going along with Nancy Pelosi as President (with the fear that she might add Hillary as VP and then resign). The deadheads of Trump's base - their heads would explode. It is not going to happen.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jarqui (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 08:33 PM

22. But they might not have a choice

Let's just go out on a limb and say 45 or Pence are forced to resign. Then we have a president without a VP (which was the case when Johnson become president). Whoever is president has to pick someone that can be confirmed by both the House and the Senate. Maybe the House refuses to confirm any of their choices. At that point, Speaker is next in line...

This is a long shot to be sure. But these are strange and twisted times (as Hunter S Thompson would write), so I think all possibilities, at least for now, must be considered.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Buckeyeblue (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 09:02 PM

28. I already thought of that

The Senate would just drag out the impeachment proceedings until the 2020 election.

Given what they put in Flynn's memo, they've got a bunch of work to do before they wrap up - at least six months or something like that. The people at the lower end of the Trump hierarchy will likely get dealt with first.

if Trump has a heart attack and dies, Nancy would become president if Pence has already resigned. Knowing that, they probably wouldn't let Pence resign - again, just drag it out.

The chances of it happening are really slim - probably, both Trump and Pence have to pass away.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jarqui (Reply #28)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 09:23 PM

30. Agreed...with the Senate controlled by repugs no one has to resign

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Buckeyeblue (Reply #30)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 09:58 PM

33. Think of who else they would try to put in

Ryan? McConnell?

Pence as president is not going to be much better than Trump.
That guy is messed up too. There is something wrong with him.

I do not think the GOP would offer any good alternatives.
I never forgave Gerald Ford for the Nixon pardon but he'd be better than anything they seem to have to offer in leadership today.

With control of the House, hopefully, it'll be ok until 2020.

We've gone from what I thought was the best president of my lifetime, Obama, to arguably the worst president in American history.

What a mess!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Jarqui (Reply #33)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 05:58 AM

34. What a mess is right!

President Pence in some ways would be worse. He would push the fundamentalist agenda even harder than 45 has. With the exception of judicial appointments there isn't much in the way of legislation that he could get through.

I think the one big difference between Pence and Ford is that Pence's hands are dirty with this mess, where Ford wasn't involved because he replaced Nixon's VP who had to resign.

I think it is more likely that both 45 and Pence stay in place, even if they don't run in 2020.

Of course, we could find out something tomorrow or next week that makes me change my mind on this. But, with the house going Dem, the only VP nominee who could get through would be someone who was very centrist and not a threat to run for President.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:13 PM

3. My personal fantasy

is that she picks HRC as Veep. Then Pelosi steps down after a decent interval and hands off to HRC. Then there's an HRC/Beto ticket in 2020. Then HRC does not run for re-election in 2024 and Beto is the candidate.

I can dream, can't I?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to musette_sf (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:14 PM

5. I'm right there with ya!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to musette_sf (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:15 PM

6. I like that dream.

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to musette_sf (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 08:13 PM

21. Yes!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to musette_sf (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 08:56 PM

26. What a Dream!

Fanciful. But I like it!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:13 PM

4. Lol

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:15 PM

8. High? No

 

No one has followed the Russia probe as closely as Seth Abramson and so far he doesn't see good publicly available evidence that Pence is involved.

I believe Pence is quite possibly involved but based on evidence we have, there isn't much there.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to manor321 (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:38 PM

18. that wasn't there that bit about the transition team and didn't pence leave the transition team?

I realize I'm not a hundred percent well-versed in all this LOL

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:16 PM

9. Is there a number less than 0%?

Name ANY sequence of events that would result in Trump and Pence beings impeached and convicted simultaneously.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:16 PM

10. Wellllllll,

 

if one has been paying attention,I would put some serious coinage down on this. Just caught a Stephie miller Malcolm Nance interview, if Pence is talking to Team Mueller,well Pelosi won't be the one sitting in the Oval office,but,if Pence stonewalls Team Mueller,it will be President Pelosi.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:18 PM

11. Pretty much zero chance.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:19 PM

12. A snowball in hell chance.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Autumn (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:28 PM

15. Sweet!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:19 PM

13. no chance

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:20 PM

14. Absolute ZERO, and that's equivalent to -273.15C or -459.67F.

In other words, NO, NO, NO, a million times NO!

Not every good or important Democrat needs to run for president because we need them in other places as well.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:29 PM

16. Zero and none!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:29 PM

17. the senate would never allow a president pelosi.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Takket (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 07:47 PM

20. they'd obviously not allow a Democrat at all, especially a woman...

I mean isn't that where we are now? Isn't the goal to eliminate all Democratic control through any means necessary?

The goal is certainly not to uphold election integrity....



Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 08:33 PM

23. Same chance that Obama was born in Pittsburgh

 

In 1823

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 08:47 PM

24. Doesn't anyone recall Nixon? There was no vacancy. A refresher...

Nixon was in deep Shinola
On examination, it turned out VP Agnew was a bribe-taking crook
Nixon was in deeper Shinola as the Watergate Hearings hit critical mass
Agnew was forced to resign
Immediately, a GOP member of the House was picked to take his place, thus: VP Jerry Ford
The Watergate Hearings -- well, I hope you know the rest. Nixon was forced to resign.
Gerald Ford was sworn in as president
The Speaker of the House was never in play. At all. Ever.

Now, if both Nixon and Agnew had gone down in a plane crash with no survivors -- then the Speaker would have stepped in.

Based on this history, I'm guessing Nancy Pelosi will not be President.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 08:49 PM

25. Hell freezes over and Jesus moves in to set up shop...

I don't see any of that likely at all.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 09:00 PM

27. Zero percent.

Mitch McConnell and the GOPers in the Senate will NEVER, N-E-V-E-R, N---E---V---E---R vote to remove both Trump and Pence simultaneously.

Even if both were impeached, AND the Senate were to vote to remove whoever's trial was first (already in very unlikely territory here), the Senate GOPers would then have the remaining POTUS nominate a replacement VP and vote to confirm that new VP (and wait for the House to do the same) before even taking up the second trial.

Likewise, I see zero chance of both Pence and Trump resigning *simultaneously*. Similar play as impeachments -- at best you'd get one to resign, and the other would refuse to resign until the House and Senate confirm the new VP.

The GOP will NEVER willingly give up the executive branch to the Democrats. Especially not when there are very easy methods to avoid doing so, as I've indicated. Even if Trump and Pence both need to go, just do one, add a VP, do the second. Viola! New Repuke POTUS. No Dem/Pelosi POTUS.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 09:15 PM

29. y'all are killing my happy dreams here lol

Potus seat was won by Clinton dammit.....it's rightfully ours and I want it back lol

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 09:55 PM

31. Not at all...

If we get enough Republicans to join us to impeach and convict Trump, it will only be on the condition that Pence, or another Republican, succeeds him. If dirt emerges on Pence and he gets removed from office first, said Republicans will refuse to continue proceedings against Trump until he has named a new V.P. and that choice has been confirmed.

It's much the way it happened during Watergate: the case was building against Nixon, then suddenly Agnew was caught in a corruption investigation and had to resign. At that point, the proceedings against Nixon essentially came to a halt until Ford had been sworn in as the new V.P. Until that point, even "shaky" Republicans in Congress were going to take a firm stand against any further actions until they were sure a Republican would be President through the remainder of Nixon's term.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 09:56 PM

32. absolutely zero

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to TalenaGor (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 06:17 AM

35. Extremely unlikely

 

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread