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Mon Dec 10, 2018, 06:06 PM

I think Impeachment will come over the Russian ties and not

because of Trump's payoff to the ladies. We don't know how many former presidents paid women for their silence...probably a few, but we do know that no president ever conspired with the enemy to destroy our Democracy. The bar is so low for this guy that only Russian collusion will bring the Senate to its senses and him down. I think the Special Counsel knows that too.

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Reply I think Impeachment will come over the Russian ties and not (Original post)
Raven Dec 2018 OP
wryter2000 Dec 2018 #1
genxlib Dec 2018 #2
YessirAtsaFact Dec 2018 #7
volstork Dec 2018 #12
H2O Man Dec 2018 #3
grantcart Dec 2018 #4
Hamlette Dec 2018 #15
grantcart Dec 2018 #18
Hamlette Dec 2018 #20
pnwmom Dec 2018 #5
marylandblue Dec 2018 #6
charlyvi Dec 2018 #8
FrankBooth Dec 2018 #9
peggysue2 Dec 2018 #10
empedocles Dec 2018 #11
Achilleaze Dec 2018 #13
C Moon Dec 2018 #14
wiggs Dec 2018 #16
Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #17
The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #19
Nitram Dec 2018 #22
Nitram Dec 2018 #21
Claritie Pixie Dec 2018 #23

Response to Raven (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 06:11 PM

1. My best guess

Obstruction of justice. There's a pretty clear case for that.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 06:14 PM

2. I think

It will be an "All of the Above"

It will trickle out for a while and then come out in a huge pile.

I actually said from early on that the money laundering will do him in. I suspect that they will find a common thread from the condo sales to the financing to the election assistance. I think it is all one big decades long relationship that evolved over time.

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Response to genxlib (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 06:39 PM

7. There's a lot of crime and corruption to choose from

I think by April itíll be clear that the Moscow Project had Trump comprised and controlled by Putin. Thereís no need for a peepee tape when you can wave hundreds of millions of dollars at Trump.

That makes it public knowledge that Trumpís a security risk if not a Russian Asset.

Itíll also be clear that there was a conspiracy with the Russians, a quid pro quo where the Russians deliver the emails and Trump drops the sanctions. Trump couldnít drop the sanctions because the Russian interference was discovered.

The obstruction is in plain sight and has been for most of Trumpís presidency.

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Response to genxlib (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 07:26 PM

12. Yes.

I think we are approaching the top of the roller coaster. Once we hit the tipping point, things will come fast and furious.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 06:14 PM

3. Recommended.

I believe that, similar to the Articles of Impeachment that were drawn up and about to be voted on per Nixon, that the House will charge Trump for a variety of things. The Russian ties, and obstruction (as the OP and first response note) will be the most important.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 06:17 PM

4. I agree. The payments and lies should trigger a unanimous bill of censure


But impeachment needs a more material charge I.e. Russians, emoluments, or interfering with the FBI headquarters development.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 07:43 PM

15. Agree 100%

if that is all we have, paying off women, it could cost us dearly to impeach on that. Remember, Clinton's approval numbers went up to 69% and Dems won seats in 1998.

Republicans will spin it as lying about sex and/or a campaign finance (yes, I know, it is much more than that) violation.

It is clear that Trump put his interests (Trump Tower Moscow) above the country's but so do most Republicans and, for reasons I still do not understand, people still vote for Republicans.

I don't want it to be JUST about paying off a porn star.

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Response to Hamlette (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 08:25 PM

18. It seems we have him dead to rights on the FBI hdqtr scam

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Response to grantcart (Reply #18)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 09:39 PM

20. what's that?

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 06:26 PM

5. If he had just written checks to them it wouldn't have been a big deal.

But he asked Pecker to buy her story for the National Inquirer - and to kill it. That means he was entering a conspiracy and soliciting an unlawful campaign gift.

He also entered a conspiracy with Cohen. As a result Cohen took a mortgage on his house and paid Daniels himself. Trump failed to report the loan -- a violation of the law. Then he and Cohen conspired as to how Cohen would be reimbursed. He had Cohen submit fake invoices for LEGAL FEES for a total of $420,000 -- including a "bonus" of $60K -- which were deductible as business expenses by the Trump Corporation. So Cohen got enough of a reimbursement to pay his taxes, along with a hefty "bonus," and Trump got a very substantial legal deduction. A win/win, they must have thought.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 06:28 PM

6. I think the articles of impeachment will be as thick as a Russian novel

And sound like one too.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 06:47 PM

8. I think laundering Russian money will doom him.

As well as taking Saudi money to boost his real estate holdings; especially his DC hotel.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 06:53 PM

9. These are just the first known felonies

There will be many more revealed soon, a veritable stack of them.

Just be patient, let the felonies pile up, and then impeach - GOP can either join or perish in 2020.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 06:59 PM

10. Love the way they're changing the vocabulary

The term 'collusion' is now being referred to as a 'symbiotic association.'

LOL.

Clowns, all of them. And traitors.

As for what will bring Trumpski down? Think we're going to have a long list to choose from: fraud against the United States of America, campaign fund violations, consorting and engaging in foreign policy that favors adversaries while lining the pockets of US officials, profiting in broad daylight (emoluments) while squatting in the WH, lying to the SC on an open book test, bribery, blackmail, money laundering, etc., etc.

As the water rises and Republicans realize that they and the Trumpster are passengers on the Titanic, I think we'll see people voluntarily jump ship. Judge Napolitano presumably trashed Trumpski on Fox News either today or yesterday. He's turned a corner on the Trumpster affair. I suspect more will do the same. Once Fox pulls the plug, the man's fate is sealed and the ship will go down fast.

Donald Trump will not finish his term.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 07:10 PM

11. Like Manafort's first trial, the first impeachment count should be a very clear lock!

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 07:27 PM

13. Maybe, but Stormy and the other women will make a final statement

that will sting Dirty Donny and the sexually degenerate KGOP republican borg.

Depend on it.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 07:35 PM

14. Let it be the one that also brings down Pence. He's as scummy & slimy a traitor as the rest of them

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 08:00 PM

16. Tons. Emoluments. Money Laundering. Lying constantly. Dickishness. Incompetence. nt

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 08:03 PM

17. It doesn't matter what Mueller knows about what will bring Trump down.

He will report whatever evidence his team found, and nothing more. That's his job.

The Mueller team is not on a witch hunt. They are after the truth about what happened, as shown by witnesses and documents and other evidence.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 08:42 PM

19. That's what I want

The payoffs and the coverup is small potatoes.
But I doubt the pubs will even remove him over that. They are complicit.

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Response to The Liberal Lion (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 04:22 PM

22. A payoff to influence the outcome of an election is not "small potatoes."

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 04:21 PM

21. I don't care which of his multitude of crimes gets him out of office as long as he is

removed and sentenced to prison.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 04:38 PM

23. The hush money was the first salvo. More to come!

By the time the story of Individual-1's treachery is told, there will be so much against him (including the hush money) that defending him will be futile.

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