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Raven

(13,877 posts)
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 06:06 PM Dec 2018

I think Impeachment will come over the Russian ties and not

because of Trump's payoff to the ladies. We don't know how many former presidents paid women for their silence...probably a few, but we do know that no president ever conspired with the enemy to destroy our Democracy. The bar is so low for this guy that only Russian collusion will bring the Senate to its senses and him down. I think the Special Counsel knows that too.

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I think Impeachment will come over the Russian ties and not (Original Post) Raven Dec 2018 OP
My best guess wryter2000 Dec 2018 #1
I think genxlib Dec 2018 #2
There's a lot of crime and corruption to choose from YessirAtsaFact Dec 2018 #7
Yes. volstork Dec 2018 #12
Recommended. H2O Man Dec 2018 #3
I agree. The payments and lies should trigger a unanimous bill of censure grantcart Dec 2018 #4
Agree 100% Hamlette Dec 2018 #15
It seems we have him dead to rights on the FBI hdqtr scam grantcart Dec 2018 #18
what's that? Hamlette Dec 2018 #20
If he had just written checks to them it wouldn't have been a big deal. pnwmom Dec 2018 #5
I think the articles of impeachment will be as thick as a Russian novel marylandblue Dec 2018 #6
I think laundering Russian money will doom him. charlyvi Dec 2018 #8
These are just the first known felonies FrankBooth Dec 2018 #9
Love the way they're changing the vocabulary peggysue2 Dec 2018 #10
Like Manafort's first trial, the first impeachment count should be a very clear lock! empedocles Dec 2018 #11
Maybe, but Stormy and the other women will make a final statement Achilleaze Dec 2018 #13
Let it be the one that also brings down Pence. He's as scummy & slimy a traitor as the rest of them C Moon Dec 2018 #14
Tons. Emoluments. Money Laundering. Lying constantly. Dickishness. Incompetence. nt wiggs Dec 2018 #16
It doesn't matter what Mueller knows about what will bring Trump down. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #17
That's what I want The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #19
A payoff to influence the outcome of an election is not "small potatoes." Nitram Dec 2018 #22
I don't care which of his multitude of crimes gets him out of office as long as he is Nitram Dec 2018 #21
The hush money was the first salvo. More to come! Claritie Pixie Dec 2018 #23

genxlib

(5,518 posts)
2. I think
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 06:14 PM
Dec 2018

It will be an "All of the Above"

It will trickle out for a while and then come out in a huge pile.

I actually said from early on that the money laundering will do him in. I suspect that they will find a common thread from the condo sales to the financing to the election assistance. I think it is all one big decades long relationship that evolved over time.

YessirAtsaFact

(2,064 posts)
7. There's a lot of crime and corruption to choose from
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 06:39 PM
Dec 2018

I think by April it’ll be clear that the Moscow Project had Trump comprised and controlled by Putin. There’s no need for a peepee tape when you can wave hundreds of millions of dollars at Trump.

That makes it public knowledge that Trump’s a security risk if not a Russian Asset.

It’ll also be clear that there was a conspiracy with the Russians, a quid pro quo where the Russians deliver the emails and Trump drops the sanctions. Trump couldn’t drop the sanctions because the Russian interference was discovered.

The obstruction is in plain sight and has been for most of Trump’s presidency.

volstork

(5,399 posts)
12. Yes.
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 07:26 PM
Dec 2018

I think we are approaching the top of the roller coaster. Once we hit the tipping point, things will come fast and furious.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
3. Recommended.
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 06:14 PM
Dec 2018

I believe that, similar to the Articles of Impeachment that were drawn up and about to be voted on per Nixon, that the House will charge Trump for a variety of things. The Russian ties, and obstruction (as the OP and first response note) will be the most important.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
4. I agree. The payments and lies should trigger a unanimous bill of censure
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 06:17 PM
Dec 2018

But impeachment needs a more material charge I.e. Russians, emoluments, or interfering with the FBI headquarters development.

Hamlette

(15,408 posts)
15. Agree 100%
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 07:43 PM
Dec 2018

if that is all we have, paying off women, it could cost us dearly to impeach on that. Remember, Clinton's approval numbers went up to 69% and Dems won seats in 1998.

Republicans will spin it as lying about sex and/or a campaign finance (yes, I know, it is much more than that) violation.

It is clear that Trump put his interests (Trump Tower Moscow) above the country's but so do most Republicans and, for reasons I still do not understand, people still vote for Republicans.

I don't want it to be JUST about paying off a porn star.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
5. If he had just written checks to them it wouldn't have been a big deal.
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 06:26 PM
Dec 2018

But he asked Pecker to buy her story for the National Inquirer - and to kill it. That means he was entering a conspiracy and soliciting an unlawful campaign gift.

He also entered a conspiracy with Cohen. As a result Cohen took a mortgage on his house and paid Daniels himself. Trump failed to report the loan -- a violation of the law. Then he and Cohen conspired as to how Cohen would be reimbursed. He had Cohen submit fake invoices for LEGAL FEES for a total of $420,000 -- including a "bonus" of $60K -- which were deductible as business expenses by the Trump Corporation. So Cohen got enough of a reimbursement to pay his taxes, along with a hefty "bonus," and Trump got a very substantial legal deduction. A win/win, they must have thought.

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
8. I think laundering Russian money will doom him.
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 06:47 PM
Dec 2018

As well as taking Saudi money to boost his real estate holdings; especially his DC hotel.

FrankBooth

(1,600 posts)
9. These are just the first known felonies
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 06:53 PM
Dec 2018

There will be many more revealed soon, a veritable stack of them.

Just be patient, let the felonies pile up, and then impeach - GOP can either join or perish in 2020.

peggysue2

(10,823 posts)
10. Love the way they're changing the vocabulary
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 06:59 PM
Dec 2018

The term 'collusion' is now being referred to as a 'symbiotic association.'

LOL.

Clowns, all of them. And traitors.

As for what will bring Trumpski down? Think we're going to have a long list to choose from: fraud against the United States of America, campaign fund violations, consorting and engaging in foreign policy that favors adversaries while lining the pockets of US officials, profiting in broad daylight (emoluments) while squatting in the WH, lying to the SC on an open book test, bribery, blackmail, money laundering, etc., etc.

As the water rises and Republicans realize that they and the Trumpster are passengers on the Titanic, I think we'll see people voluntarily jump ship. Judge Napolitano presumably trashed Trumpski on Fox News either today or yesterday. He's turned a corner on the Trumpster affair. I suspect more will do the same. Once Fox pulls the plug, the man's fate is sealed and the ship will go down fast.

Donald Trump will not finish his term.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
13. Maybe, but Stormy and the other women will make a final statement
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 07:27 PM
Dec 2018

that will sting Dirty Donny and the sexually degenerate KGOP republican borg.

Depend on it.

C Moon

(12,208 posts)
14. Let it be the one that also brings down Pence. He's as scummy & slimy a traitor as the rest of them
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 07:35 PM
Dec 2018

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
17. It doesn't matter what Mueller knows about what will bring Trump down.
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 08:03 PM
Dec 2018

He will report whatever evidence his team found, and nothing more. That's his job.

The Mueller team is not on a witch hunt. They are after the truth about what happened, as shown by witnesses and documents and other evidence.

The Liberal Lion

(1,414 posts)
19. That's what I want
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 08:42 PM
Dec 2018

The payoffs and the coverup is small potatoes.
But I doubt the pubs will even remove him over that. They are complicit.

Nitram

(22,759 posts)
21. I don't care which of his multitude of crimes gets him out of office as long as he is
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 04:21 PM
Dec 2018

removed and sentenced to prison.

Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
23. The hush money was the first salvo. More to come!
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 04:38 PM
Dec 2018

By the time the story of Individual-1's treachery is told, there will be so much against him (including the hush money) that defending him will be futile.

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