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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI think Impeachment will come over the Russian ties and not
because of Trump's payoff to the ladies. We don't know how many former presidents paid women for their silence...probably a few, but we do know that no president ever conspired with the enemy to destroy our Democracy. The bar is so low for this guy that only Russian collusion will bring the Senate to its senses and him down. I think the Special Counsel knows that too.
wryter2000
(46,023 posts)Obstruction of justice. There's a pretty clear case for that.
It will be an "All of the Above"
It will trickle out for a while and then come out in a huge pile.
I actually said from early on that the money laundering will do him in. I suspect that they will find a common thread from the condo sales to the financing to the election assistance. I think it is all one big decades long relationship that evolved over time.
YessirAtsaFact
(2,064 posts)I think by April itll be clear that the Moscow Project had Trump comprised and controlled by Putin. Theres no need for a peepee tape when you can wave hundreds of millions of dollars at Trump.
That makes it public knowledge that Trumps a security risk if not a Russian Asset.
Itll also be clear that there was a conspiracy with the Russians, a quid pro quo where the Russians deliver the emails and Trump drops the sanctions. Trump couldnt drop the sanctions because the Russian interference was discovered.
The obstruction is in plain sight and has been for most of Trumps presidency.
I think we are approaching the top of the roller coaster. Once we hit the tipping point, things will come fast and furious.
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)I believe that, similar to the Articles of Impeachment that were drawn up and about to be voted on per Nixon, that the House will charge Trump for a variety of things. The Russian ties, and obstruction (as the OP and first response note) will be the most important.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)But impeachment needs a more material charge I.e. Russians, emoluments, or interfering with the FBI headquarters development.
Hamlette
(15,408 posts)if that is all we have, paying off women, it could cost us dearly to impeach on that. Remember, Clinton's approval numbers went up to 69% and Dems won seats in 1998.
Republicans will spin it as lying about sex and/or a campaign finance (yes, I know, it is much more than that) violation.
It is clear that Trump put his interests (Trump Tower Moscow) above the country's but so do most Republicans and, for reasons I still do not understand, people still vote for Republicans.
I don't want it to be JUST about paying off a porn star.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Hamlette
(15,408 posts)pnwmom
(108,955 posts)But he asked Pecker to buy her story for the National Inquirer - and to kill it. That means he was entering a conspiracy and soliciting an unlawful campaign gift.
He also entered a conspiracy with Cohen. As a result Cohen took a mortgage on his house and paid Daniels himself. Trump failed to report the loan -- a violation of the law. Then he and Cohen conspired as to how Cohen would be reimbursed. He had Cohen submit fake invoices for LEGAL FEES for a total of $420,000 -- including a "bonus" of $60K -- which were deductible as business expenses by the Trump Corporation. So Cohen got enough of a reimbursement to pay his taxes, along with a hefty "bonus," and Trump got a very substantial legal deduction. A win/win, they must have thought.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)And sound like one too.
charlyvi
(6,537 posts)As well as taking Saudi money to boost his real estate holdings; especially his DC hotel.
FrankBooth
(1,600 posts)There will be many more revealed soon, a veritable stack of them.
Just be patient, let the felonies pile up, and then impeach - GOP can either join or perish in 2020.
peggysue2
(10,823 posts)The term 'collusion' is now being referred to as a 'symbiotic association.'
LOL.
Clowns, all of them. And traitors.
As for what will bring Trumpski down? Think we're going to have a long list to choose from: fraud against the United States of America, campaign fund violations, consorting and engaging in foreign policy that favors adversaries while lining the pockets of US officials, profiting in broad daylight (emoluments) while squatting in the WH, lying to the SC on an open book test, bribery, blackmail, money laundering, etc., etc.
As the water rises and Republicans realize that they and the Trumpster are passengers on the Titanic, I think we'll see people voluntarily jump ship. Judge Napolitano presumably trashed Trumpski on Fox News either today or yesterday. He's turned a corner on the Trumpster affair. I suspect more will do the same. Once Fox pulls the plug, the man's fate is sealed and the ship will go down fast.
Donald Trump will not finish his term.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)that will sting Dirty Donny and the sexually degenerate KGOP republican borg.
Depend on it.
C Moon
(12,208 posts)wiggs
(7,809 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)He will report whatever evidence his team found, and nothing more. That's his job.
The Mueller team is not on a witch hunt. They are after the truth about what happened, as shown by witnesses and documents and other evidence.
The Liberal Lion
(1,414 posts)The payoffs and the coverup is small potatoes.
But I doubt the pubs will even remove him over that. They are complicit.
Nitram
(22,759 posts)Nitram
(22,759 posts)removed and sentenced to prison.
Claritie Pixie
(2,199 posts)By the time the story of Individual-1's treachery is told, there will be so much against him (including the hush money) that defending him will be futile.