Mika Breszinski just described mike Pompeo as MSB's butt boy live on MSNBC.

[Augiedog]

They tried to cut it off but were to late. It was truly hilarious.

[csziggy]

1. Mika and Joe were going ballistic over what Pompeo had said on Fox

When I turned on the TV this morning. I didn't get to see the clip they apparently showed, but they were pissed at whatever Pompeo said about the Khashoggi murder. As upset as they were I am not surprised that Mika went over the top on the air!

[stonecutter357]

2. Disgusting comment !

[olegramps]

19. Just a picturesque description. Like a-hole, bootlicker, c-sucker, etc. Not unfounded.

[dewsgirl]

3. I don't often praise them, but they where both on fire this morning.

[dsc]

4. gee wonder if she would have used the term house n word

I fail to see a difference between the offensiveness level of both terms.

[brer cat]

6. +1 nt

[912gdm]

20. +1 .

[MrsCoffee]

23. +1

[Raster]

26. Ditto!

[Atman]

5. I think she said Trump's Butt Boy.

Asking why Pompeo would defend Trump on the Khashoggi murder; Trump has direct financial ties, but what does Pompeo have to gain. That’s where she said “maybe he just wants to be Trump’s butt boy.”

[thbobby]

7. Wana Be Dictator's butt boy

I also think she was referring to trump.

[Atman]

11. Correct. MSB is already a dictator.

So Trump would be the “wanna be dictator.”

And thanks for the correct quote. I wasn’t listening closely, but my ears sure perked up at that one.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

8. That's a garbage thing to say.

[Buckeyeblue]

9. There is no better way to express that?

I didn't realize we were back to using being gay as an insult.

[Atman]

13. Is "brown nosing" gay?

Just asking. A brown noser is also a butt boy, has nothing to do with sex. Not a smart choice of words by Mika, but I don’t believe it was meant in any sort of sexual connotation. But I’m still trying to get over Baby It’s Cold Outside being a song about date rape.

[Buckeyeblue]

21. I've never heard butt boy used as brown noser

I have heard it used in the context of someone being so submissive to someone else that that person could screw them if they wanted.

I'm not trying to be overly PC. I have friends who have some deep scars from all of the different play ground taunts of being gay.

[Atman]

39. I'll concede the point.

I was just trying to give Mika the benefit of the doubt, because it’s refreshing to hear someone hitting back at all their bulkshit.

[MontanaMama]

27. I do not think that the term "brown noser"

is a gay slur. It’s a reference to kissing someone’s ass or acting a grossly obsequious way...hence the brown nose: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brown-noser

[Raster]

30. brown noser is anyone that has their nose so far up someone's ass...

...they get shit on their schnoz. NOT a gay-themed insult.

However, buttboy IS a gay-themed insult.

[violetpastille]

29. +1 Billion Zillion Million

At it's heart it implies that there is something wrong with men who have sex with other men and tha there is something humiliating and laughable about gay sex.

I remember this kind of humor from grade school.

Do better Mika.

[PCIntern]

10. Here comes the DU prim-and-proper parade

Pearl clutching!

How DARE she say anything so vile!

Gimme a break. You have to fight fire with Fire

[dsc]

15. so she should call Clarence Thomas a house n word

just wondering.

[PCIntern]

17. No...

There are varying degrees of insults.

Colloquialisms abound.

So if you call someone a bastard, that insults all out of wedlock individuals? I think not.

[ProfessorGAC]

34. IMO, She Was Referring To Being An Ass Kisser

I think the interpretation you seem to have is less likely than she actually implied.

[dsc]

35. I have been called a butt boy

I knew what the person meant, he knew what he meant, and we both know he didn't mean ass kisser.

[ProfessorGAC]

37. And???

You think Mika knows that term? I doubt it.

[Caliman73]

46. If she doesn't understand the use of the term, she should not use it.

Why would you assume that Mika did not know the implication of the term anyway? You are thinking she just made it up? She just heard the term one day and decided to use it to imply that Pompeo is subservient to the Saudis, in a totally non offensive way of course?

I have only ever heard that term used as a slur to imply that a man is allowing himself to be dominated sexually.

[deurbano]

38. Thanks for your personal perspective. My daughter has had good friends refer to themselves

(deprecatingly, of course) as "spaz"... even though my daughter has the spastic quadriplegia subset of cerebral palsy. Unlike the person who deliberately insulted you, however, her friends haven't made the connection regarding the origin of the term. Since she has bigger (ableist) fish to fry, my daughter usually ignores this unintended slur (and doesn't take it personally), but language can be very hurtful, and it's important to consider origin and impact.

[Owl]

18. +1

[fishwax]

25. meh. You can fight fire with fire *without* resorting to homophobic language

[LanternWaste]

50. You seem a wee bit hysterical. Overly-emotional, even. I hope you're alright...

"You have to fight fire with Fire..."

Hence the reason fire departments never use water to put out house fires. Otherwise, their pearl-clutching over a water-hose would be vile bait for your alleged prim-and-proper parade.

But I'm sure her remarks will be the turning point in trump's presidency... else the statement "you have to..." is at best, unsupported codswallop.

[demmiblue]

52. Totally not surprised by your response. n/t

[Behind the Aegis]

53. Not the point

"But if you’re not gay perhaps it doesn’t make sense to understand how we gays might feel. "

Recognize it? You said it! Right here.

Your comment was in response to an online personality saying something you found to be offensive to Jews. As a Jew, I found it distasteful too. How did you feel when others, not Jews, told you it wasn't offensive? Especially the comment: "Gasp! " Well, as a Jew, who is GAY, I found what was said offensive. Do you still think:

There are varying degrees of insults.

Colloquialisms abound. (you again)

Do you think "Cohen had a Come To Jesus Moment" and "Mike Pompeo as MSB's butt boy" are that different? Because, basically, in regards to her comment, you said to me (and other gay people), "Gasp! " Frankly, what you said was even more offensive, but that is for another time.

Perhaps, you might want to read: Antisemitism and LGBTQ+ Hate Are Spiking -- So We Must Come Together

[WeekiWater]

12. How is "butt boy" defined or characterized as imagery? Thanks. NT

[Arkansas Granny]

14. She has already apologized for her remark via twitter.

Link to tweet

Mika Brzezinski
✔
@morningmika
Totally agree with you -SUPER BAD choice of words .. I should have said “water boy”... like for football teams or something like that.. apologize to @SenatorDurbin too! SO SORRY!

G.E. Anderson
✔
@g_e_anderson
Replying to @g_e_anderson
I was with you, @morningmika, right up to the “butt boy” comment. Try “toadie” or “lackey” or “stool pigeon” or “ass kisser,” or “traitor,” but maybe don’t equate homosexuality with Mike Pompeo carrying water for the murderous regime in Saudi Arabia.

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8:12 AM - Dec 12, 2018

[ffr]

33. +1

[MineralMan]

16. Bad choice of words. "Toady" would be good.

"Water bearer" There are many words available to illustrate Pompeo's total deference to Trump. Mika chose the wrong, offensive one.

[TheBlackAdder]

24. Wouldn't that be redundant?

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If it's used in context with Trump, wouldn't it be, "Toady Toady?"



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[FreepFryer]

22. As a self-appointed member of the LGBTQ delegation to MSNBC, I hereby issue a sternly-worded sideeye

And then resume enjoying my popcorn and Mika's commentary.

Thanks for your boldness, Mika - and your forthright apology.

Next!

[SHRED]

28. It's MBS

[Gothmog]

31. MSNBC cuts Mika Brzezinski's audio after she calls Mike Pompeo 'a wannabe dictator's butt boy'

Link to tweet

[democratisphere]

32. Wonder when Mika will be going on an extended leave of absence?

[hlthe2b]

36. I would note that she has issued an apology for using that term but not for the sentiment...

Link to tweet

So, there is that for those who remain offended. BTW, I think the point of this thread is to discuss the episode and perhaps enlighten those who don't realize that/why the term can be really offensive to many. So for those who keep alerting on the OP, I would hope that would be some consolation.

[Caliman73]

47. The sentiment isn't necessarily the problem.

The sentiment is that Pompeo is allowing himself to be used. That he is being subservient or demeaned.

The implication that accepting anal sex (butt boy) is a subservient or demeaning act is the problem. Men and women freely engage in sex as a pleasurable activity or act of intimacy.

I have personally had to rethink words I have used in the past because they associate sexual acts with being demeaned because of their implication of homosexuality. The term c*cksucker for instance. Men call other men that word to imply that it is a bad thing and you are less of a man for doing it. But it is a normal sex act for gay men, as well as for women to perform on their partners. So, you have to ask yourself, "What mechanism am I using to insult the person?" Are you saying that men who have sex with other men are bad? What about women who have anal and/or oral sex, are they abnormal?

The problem isn't the sentiment, it is the association.

[hlthe2b]

49. I'm sorry you misunderstood me. I did not mean to imply the sentiment was wrong--at all.

No one who has any integrity whatsoever COULD defend Pompeio's horrific whitewashing of the murdering Saudi Prince.

[Caliman73]

51. I didn't think you were implying that the sentiment was wrong.

Pompeo and the whole Trump administration are beyond words, disgusting. Mika was completely correct for being disgusted and for calling out the cravenness. What I was making sure was out there, was that the term she used to call that out was a very poor choice. As you stated in your post. She seems to have realized that too and apologized.

There are people on the thread who are saying, "What's the big deal?" So it has to be repeated that insults are insults because of their association.

[highmindedhavi]

40. Homophobic

[QC]

41. I prefer "lickspittle." n/t

[Mosby]

42. I liked her apology.

A learning moment for her.

[Joe941]

43. Megyn kelly was fired for similiar...

[pecosbob]

44. and this from long-time Republican apologists...

[Cousin Dupree]

45. I always thought of "butt boy" as someone who is a door mat, an ass kisser. Don't think of it as a

sexual or homophobic term. Maybe I need to rethink this.

[Caliman73]

48. That is the implication. You are right about the implication.

The problem is about the association. You picture a "door mat" and you see something that people walk all over. That is the mental image associated to that concept. Same with "ass kisser". While I am sure that there are intimate partners who kiss each other all over their bodies including the buttocks, the term is insulting because it implies that you simply kneel down and kiss the naked butt of someone you are not intimate with as a sign of subservience. Why would you want to kiss anyone on the butt? Again, intimate partners notwithstanding.

Butt boy, to my knowledge has the same connotation, however, it has always been used as a slur for one man allowing another to penetrate their ass, thereby implying a lack of manliness. It is implying that anal sex, which is one of the only penetrative sex acts that gay men engage in with each other, is bad.

When people say, "You run like a girl" what is the implication? It is meant as an insult, but why? Definitely rethink.

[lillypaddle]

54. Speaking of butts

Mika usually has a stick up hers, so I thought it was particularly hilarious and totally unlike her.

[floppyboo]

55. That didn't take long. Not buying the 'talking baseball' excuse

And Joe sounds drunk