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babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 06:04 PM Dec 2018

Trump Moves to Deport Vietnam War Refugees



Trump Moves to Deport Vietnam War Refugees
The White House again wants to expel certain groups of protected immigrants, a reversal after backing away from the policy months ago.
Charles Dunst
Krishnadev Calamur
2:14 PM ET
Updated at 4:22 p.m.


The Trump administration is resuming its efforts to deport certain protected Vietnamese immigrants who have lived in the United States for decades—many of them having fled the country during the Vietnam War.

This is the latest move in the president’s long record of prioritizing harsh immigration and asylum restrictions, and one that’s sure to raise eyebrows—the White House had hesitantly backed off the plan in August before reversing course. In essence, the administration has now decided that Vietnamese immigrants who arrived in the country before the establishment of diplomatic ties between the United States and Vietnam are subject to standard immigration law—meaning they are all eligible for deportation.

The new stance mirrors White House efforts to clamp down on immigration writ large, a frequent complaint of the president’s on the campaign trail and one he links to a litany of ills in the United States.

The administration last year began pursuing the deportation of many long-term immigrants from Vietnam, Cambodia, and other countries who the administration alleges are “violent criminal aliens.” But Washington and Hanoi have a unique 2008 agreement that specifically bars the deportation of Vietnamese people who arrived in the United States before July 12, 1995—the date the two former foes reestablished diplomatic relations following the Vietnam War.

The White House unilaterally reinterpreted the agreement in the spring of 2017 to exempt people convicted of crimes from its protections, allowing the administration to send back a small number of pre-1995 Vietnamese immigrants, a policy it retreated from this past August. Last week, however, a spokesperson for the U.S. embassy in Hanoi said the American government was again reversing course.

Washington now believes that the 2008 agreement fails to protect pre-1995 Vietnamese immigrants from deportation, the spokesperson, who asked not to be identified by name because of embassy procedures, told The Atlantic.

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https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/12/donald-trump-deport-vietnam-war-refugees/577993/
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Trump Moves to Deport Vietnam War Refugees (Original Post) babylonsister Dec 2018 OP
There is a cruel meaness to Trump. riversedge Dec 2018 #1
It underlies everything he does, and he has plenty of people who like to do his bidding. enough Dec 2018 #6
One of the psychiatrists who signed Duty To Warn said BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #16
Yes, he's a narcissitic asshole. BUT THIS IS ORCHESTRATED DISTRACTION DemocracyMouse Dec 2018 #18
I think it is but it is so cruel. riversedge Dec 2018 #55
It also exposes the true face of the Repugnants in the Senate and House as cstanleytech Dec 2018 #30
The cruelty is the point. mn9driver Dec 2018 #48
Trump should be deported to Russia. lpbk2713 Dec 2018 #2
tRump has outlived his usefulness to Russia. pazzyanne Dec 2018 #27
No deals for Trump or his family. It's time for their family separation at Sing Sing. TheBlackAdder Dec 2018 #3
Well, gee, look at the waterfront view, 'eh? Location, location, location! calimary Dec 2018 #49
An already gnawed on chicken wing. erronis Dec 2018 #53
They've been here for decades now. Cruel and inhumane. octoberlib Dec 2018 #4
Most of them are critical members of society. nt Blue_true Dec 2018 #41
Capricious cruelty Moral Compass Dec 2018 #5
It is Stephen Miller. dalton99a Dec 2018 #14
Agree! pazzyanne Dec 2018 #28
Duplicate of my post: "Dishonoring America's Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines" TygrBright Dec 2018 #7
K&R Solly Mack Dec 2018 #8
Screw him and the haters that support him. Hoyt Dec 2018 #9
What? Why? Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2018 #10
They're not lily-white. nt babylonsister Dec 2018 #12
Just disgusting Johonny Dec 2018 #11
Sadistic assholes dalton99a Dec 2018 #13
i'm sure someone else planted the idea in his sick head onetexan Dec 2018 #15
lets hope in just a few weeks tRump and his criminal organization will be too busy elmac Dec 2018 #17
So many things Trump does make me gasp in horror. lilactime Dec 2018 #19
Truly horrifying ZeroSomeBrains Dec 2018 #20
Surely the courts will put a stop to this disgusting plan. Elwood P Dowd Dec 2018 #21
There is no other reason than to use people for his personal political gain. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #22
You hit it on the head. We OWE those people lifetime safety and safety for their offspring. nt Blue_true Dec 2018 #42
Distraction. mac56 Dec 2018 #23
He is one evil motherfucker! smirkymonkey Dec 2018 #24
I went to college with some. They absolutely worked their asses off. nt Blue_true Dec 2018 #43
I hope he can be stopped, if only through the Courts. This evil thing (and it IS evil) can't happen Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #54
Not his usual pattern rickyhall Dec 2018 #25
Trump is a very sick individual. orangecrush Dec 2018 #26
Just in Time for Christmas... dlk Dec 2018 #29
Is this because he got his ass handed to him yesterday? AllyCat Dec 2018 #31
It's like he's DARING someone--anyone--to rein him in NastyRiffraff Dec 2018 #32
Yet the Cubanos will stay. (n/t) OilemFirchen Dec 2018 #33
Don't give him any ideas! n/t aggiesal Dec 2018 #37
He won't touch them, they vote highly republican. Blue_true Dec 2018 #44
This asshole hasn't even thought that some of these people parents fought along side with turbinetree Dec 2018 #34
Let's re-examine Melania and her parents' paths to citizenship Freethinker65 Dec 2018 #35
And, I believe that the ... aggiesal Dec 2018 #36
many Vietnamese-Americans, if they vote, have historically voted Republican onetexan Dec 2018 #46
When I was in the Air Force we flew about 100 refugees from Guam to Hawaii on their way to the U.S. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2018 #38
You have got to be fucking kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ferrets are Cool Dec 2018 #39
it will be quickly overtuned by the courts IMO AlexSFCA Dec 2018 #40
Absolutely need to be, with a body slam to that asshole. nt Blue_true Dec 2018 #45
What The Flying FUCK? montana_hazeleyes Dec 2018 #47
Where does he even come up with these criminal, horrible ideas? mysteryowl Dec 2018 #50
stepehen miller is in charge of immigration policy AlexSFCA Dec 2018 #56
What a travesty! This is no way to represent and run the US! mysteryowl Dec 2018 #58
Does he NOT know what these Vietnamese did for some of us? leanforward Dec 2018 #51
What is the bottom for this pos UTUSN Dec 2018 #52
Its gonna be hard to do that if he SHUTS DOWN THE GOVERNMENT yuiyoshida Dec 2018 #57

riversedge

(70,186 posts)
1. There is a cruel meaness to Trump.
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 06:10 PM
Dec 2018




..............The Trump administration’s move reflects an entirely new reading of the agreement, according to Ted Osius, who served as the United States ambassador to Vietnam from December 2014 through October 2018. Osius said that while he was in office, the 2008 agreement was accepted by all involved parties as banning the deportation of all pre-1995 Vietnamese immigrants.

“We understood that the agreement barred the deportation of pre-1995 Vietnamese. Both governments—and the Vietnamese-American community—interpreted it that way,” Osius told The Atlantic in an email. The State Department, he added, had explained this to both the White House and the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency.

News of the Trump administration’s renewed hard line quickly made the rounds on Vietnamese American social media, with advocacy groups warning of potentially increased deportations.

“Forty-three years ago, a lot of the Southeast Asian communities and Vietnamese communities fled their countries and their homeland due to the war, which the U.S. was involved in, fleeing for their safety and the safety of their families,” said Kevin Lam, the organizing director of the Asian American Resource Workshop, an advocacy group. “The U.S. would do well to remember that.”

enough

(13,256 posts)
6. It underlies everything he does, and he has plenty of people who like to do his bidding.
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 06:27 PM
Dec 2018

A sadistic administration.

BigmanPigman

(51,584 posts)
16. One of the psychiatrists who signed Duty To Warn said
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:05 PM
Dec 2018

that he definitely has narcissistic, sociopathic and sadistic personality disorders.

cstanleytech

(26,281 posts)
30. It also exposes the true face of the Repugnants in the Senate and House as
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:57 PM
Dec 2018

they have had the power all this time to reign him in but have refused to which means they clearly support him in this.

lpbk2713

(42,753 posts)
2. Trump should be deported to Russia.
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 06:13 PM
Dec 2018



America would be better off and Trump and his buddy Vlad would like it too.

pazzyanne

(6,547 posts)
27. tRump has outlived his usefulness to Russia.
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:46 PM
Dec 2018

The first thing Vlad would do is serve him polonium tea.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
49. Well, gee, look at the waterfront view, 'eh? Location, location, location!
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 08:58 PM
Dec 2018

Who knows, donald - they might give you your own wing!

Moral Compass

(1,517 posts)
5. Capricious cruelty
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 06:23 PM
Dec 2018

Trump and his minions seem to delight in caprice and cruelty. This looks to be something that sprang from the twisted mind of Stephen Miller. It stinks of him.

Every day is brings a new evil.

onetexan

(13,036 posts)
15. i'm sure someone else planted the idea in his sick head
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:05 PM
Dec 2018

this guy has no empathy whatsoever. He's a sociopath.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
17. lets hope in just a few weeks tRump and his criminal organization will be too busy
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:05 PM
Dec 2018

fighting the coming blue wave to do much more damage.

ZeroSomeBrains

(638 posts)
20. Truly horrifying
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:13 PM
Dec 2018

Every day you think there's no lower that this administration can go yet they just find a way to go lower and lower.

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
21. Surely the courts will put a stop to this disgusting plan.
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:17 PM
Dec 2018

The repukes in congress sure as hell won't as they are scared shitless of Trump's redneck base.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
22. There is no other reason than to use people for his personal political gain.
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:24 PM
Dec 2018

I hope he can't do this. Unconscionable. Some of those people helped the Americans over there. They would have been killed, if htey had stayed. As it is, we left some of them behind, who were surely killed. Trump has no idea of our country's history.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
24. He is one evil motherfucker!
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:32 PM
Dec 2018

About 30 years ago, when I was working at a large financial company, we had a Vietnamese boat person who worked in our mail room. He was such a hard worker and so happy to be here. Every day he had a smile on his face and everyone loved him. I always wondered about him after I left for another job. Those people had come through so much and finally found some peace in their lives. And now this vicious bastard wants to yank the rug out from under them and destroy everything they have built for themselves in this country as Americans.

FUCK YOU Donald Trump, you disgusting piece of shit!

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
54. I hope he can be stopped, if only through the Courts. This evil thing (and it IS evil) can't happen
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 09:25 PM
Dec 2018

This is yet another outrageous, cruel thing.

I hope he's just saying this to rev us his hateful base.

dlk

(11,552 posts)
29. Just in Time for Christmas...
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 07:49 PM
Dec 2018

Like most bullies, when someone stands up to him, he bitterly picks another victim to abuse.

AllyCat

(16,177 posts)
31. Is this because he got his ass handed to him yesterday?
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 08:00 PM
Dec 2018

So, as I stated elsewhere and can’t find, he is going to take it out on someone who cannot protect themselves?

Tre45on is an asshole.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
32. It's like he's DARING someone--anyone--to rein him in
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 08:01 PM
Dec 2018

He's on a mission of destruction. There is no sense to this; it protects no one and causes needless and unwarranted suffering. It may be just another piece of red meat thrown to his evil base, but this feels like something more.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
44. He won't touch them, they vote highly republican.
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 08:35 PM
Dec 2018

Their kids, not so much, their grandkids, even less.

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
34. This asshole hasn't even thought that some of these people parents fought along side with
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 08:04 PM
Dec 2018

us in that fucked up war, and if they go back..................well they are fucked.....................but all he does his look for a deflection from his crimes and his treason......................and as for Stephen Miller................he and his treasonous boss really can go fuck themselves....................your pissed off because your criminal gang lost California, where most Vietnamese live..........................you really are a vindictive POS..........................


https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/vietnamese-immigrants-united-states-5


November 3, 2020 cannot get here fast enough..........................

Freethinker65

(10,009 posts)
35. Let's re-examine Melania and her parents' paths to citizenship
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 08:04 PM
Dec 2018

Then let them stay and deport Trump and his spawn just for kicks.

aggiesal

(8,910 posts)
36. And, I believe that the ...
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 08:08 PM
Dec 2018

Vietnamese-Amrerican citizens tend to vote conservative.
Please correct me I'm wrong.
https://medium.com/@lucyha93/us-presidential-elections-voices-of-vietnamese-voters-in-new-york-city-dbb8a36cfc86

Now they might be deported?
IQ45 is going to go down in history as one of the racist pResident we've ever had.

onetexan

(13,036 posts)
46. many Vietnamese-Americans, if they vote, have historically voted Republican
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 08:45 PM
Dec 2018

Starting in the late 70's and thereafter, the GOP pushed to sign up vietnamese voters. After the fall of Saigon President Ford was a Republican president who enacted legislation to receive Viet refugees. This combined with the fact Senator Mccain was hugely popular among the Vietnamese, having been a POW during his service, and the fact a large number of Vietnamese are Catholic/Christian and tend to be conservative in their views, led the older generation to lean Republican.
That said, the younger generations tend to lean left. This latest move by the Idiot will force many to reconsider their vote in the next general election.

38. When I was in the Air Force we flew about 100 refugees from Guam to Hawaii on their way to the U.S.
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 08:21 PM
Dec 2018

Everything they owned was stacked about chest high on a pallet.

Donald Trump makes Hitler look like a choir boy. I have never met anybody in my life who is as detestable.

montana_hazeleyes

(3,424 posts)
47. What The Flying FUCK?
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 08:45 PM
Dec 2018

Sorry I'm commenting without reading the whole thread. People should be in the streets about this. OMG!

mysteryowl

(7,376 posts)
50. Where does he even come up with these criminal, horrible ideas?
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 09:03 PM
Dec 2018

Why would this even occur to someone as "a thing to do"? How would anyone even think this up?



AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
56. stepehen miller is in charge of immigration policy
Thu Dec 13, 2018, 01:17 AM
Dec 2018

he gets his ideas from the comments section of breitbart

leanforward

(1,076 posts)
51. Does he NOT know what these Vietnamese did for some of us?
Wed Dec 12, 2018, 09:06 PM
Dec 2018

NO, he does not know S**t.

Does he not understand the anguish he's causing these citizens.

THEY helped us.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
57. Its gonna be hard to do that if he SHUTS DOWN THE GOVERNMENT
Thu Dec 13, 2018, 03:38 AM
Dec 2018

So HE BEST make up his mind what he wants to do, so lawyers can start their Law suits...

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