When do we get to say We Told You So.

[Funtatlaguy]

So many of us are still holding our tongues.
In the name of going along to get along, we still remain publicaly quiet 🤫 on Trump.
We don’t want to damage family, work, school, relationships.
So, we avoid any talk of politics with those we know voted for and still support him.

But, I’ve got to say that they I am getting very close to my...I told you so moment.
We deserve that.
We were right.
We warned everyone even since the GOP primaries that this was a very sick corrupt person.
And we couldn’t understand how people that we loved and admired couldn’t or wouldn’t see it.

But, I’m getting very curious now.
They have to be privately wondering if they made a big mistake.
I’m not talking about the hard core racists and sexists.
I’m talking about your otherwise sane sister-in-law or uncle or cousin.
But, I’m still going to hold off at Christmas.
UNLESS - they bring Trump up - and HOPEFULLY express just a little regret.

If so, I will report back what my response was to them.
Maybe it will be a tongue lashing or maybe just a hug 🤗.
Hopefully, others of you will report back any Trump regret moments that you experience.

[no_hypocrisy]

1. My variation on your riff is "You were told but you wouldn't listen."

[apcalc]

2. I have been thinking the same... going to wait until more criminality is exposed to the light.

[TreasonousBastard]

3. What will really get to them is if we don't say a word. Just...

short glances as the sorry tale unfolds.

[erronis]

30. Just let a slight smirk cross your face. They'll see it and understand. No words. (nt)

[susanna]

41. This has been my approach.

It is incredibly effective.

My Fox-watching parents get up and turn the channel when I do it.

It's been a win-win for me. No harsh words exchanged PLUS I don't have to be subject to their propaganda network when I visit.

They can read me like a book. That was never a plus until now.

[dembotoz]

4. guess we answered the question just how fucking stupid are you

i am told i am not polite



for clarification....to the trump voter not the poster

[Funtatlaguy]

5. Well, that's one approach.

[greymattermom]

6. April 15

or whenever folks file their taxes.

[mucifer]

26. nope they will blame Nancy Pelosi. Just you watch.

[elocs]

7. "So many of us are still holding our tongues."

Really? Because reading DU I haven't noticed that.

But those who gloat last, gloat best so it is really better to wait until it's over to do that. It's like the football player who begins to celebrate his sure-thing touchdown on the 7 yard line and it doesn't always end like he hoped.

[louis c]

8. I've been here before

I was a highly political 22 year old in 1974. My "I told you so" moment about Nixon lasted 10 years.

I started that, though, at the Marine One wave good-bye moment. but I didn't let anyone forget until the day they died. Those still living, I bring it up to show them that they got fooled twice.

[MyOwnPeace]

15. Same here!

I still have my 1972 McGovern pin with a banner I'd attached and wore later:

TOLD YOU SO!!

[Cousin Dupree]

9. My brother voted for Trump. He admitted to me a year ago that he made a mistake.

[lark]

10. I won't ever say that to my best friend, but we both know it's true, lol.

All of a sudden, she's talking about administration lies, tax cuts for the rich only, destruction of healthcare coverage, and raging about potential Medicare and Social Security cuts. I just smile and tell her I have the same concerns. I do raise interesting facts with her from time to time, like the fact that his father gave him 500 million $ and he's got so little now shows he's not a good businessman at all. She has to agree because she's rare for repugs in being a fact based person and isn't a racist. She is 76 and was raised Repug and has some $$ from owning a business for 25 years, but is certainly not anywhere near rich. I am so happy to see her getting back to her usual smart questioning self and that she is no longer buying his BS. She's also said she would never vote for him again, which is great by me! I gave her a reinforcing hug when she said that and a huge smile. We both knew I was being nice in not saying "I told you so".

[watoos]

12. I think his father gave him 400 million? Maybe I'm wrong.

[lark]

13. Oops, I left out a zero. I will fix that.

Thanks for letting me know.

[erronis]

31. I'm guessing only federal/state auditors and SCO know the real $s. Probably more than 400-500M.

[watoos]

11. To change the narrative you have to talk like Richard Painter.

Painter calls it like it is. Whether Trump can be convicted of crimes or not doesn't change the fact that he is guilty of those crimes. We were timid to talk about the Steele dossier. We let the right control the narrative. Nothing in the Steele dossier has been disproven but people still believe it is a paid for by Hillary dirt on Trump document.

Trump and his crime family are money grabbing traitorous grifters. There is no need to wait for Mueller's bombshells or final report, there is enough evidence out there right now to convince me.

Take all of his money and possessions and if we can't throw him in jail he will be out in the street exposed as a fraud with no bank willing to lend him money.

If I were a reporter I would ask Trump why no bank will lend him money? Think about that. I can get a loan from any bank I choose but the president cannot.

[snowybirdie]

14. Curiously

I'm not getting all the anti-Democratic stuff from them any more. All is very quiet on the political posting front. They're sending cute puppies stuff instead

[calimary]

34. My friend who voted for trump (because she likes Pence!?!?!) is also mighty quiet

these days.

I do feel like goading her sometimes, though.

“So you’re STILL ‘just going to be hopeful’?”

“So you STILL believe there’s no evidence?”

I haven’t yet. She’s having kind of a rough go at the moment. I’m not that sadistic. She has yet to give me a good reason why she clings to the GOP. She’s a union member, deathly afraid she won’t be able to qualify for union coverage if she doesn’t keep working. She’s the mother of a daughter. She’s a single mom scraping by who’s bent over backwards to raise two kids on her own, alienated from the rest of her family who COULD give her support but refuse to do so. She’s underwater on her mortgage with bills piling up that she can’t afford to pay. And her kids are now grown up and moving out of state, leaving her to slog through her troubles alone. You’d think she’d recognize how much more sympathetic and supportive the Democrats’ policies are - especially to people struggling to make ends meet as she has had to do. But I did hear her mumble “babykillers!” while visiting us awhile back, when we were edging into talk about politics. Maybe that’s it.

And I’ve TRIED AND TRIED AND TRIED to get through to her. With no success. Maybe it’s because years ago she moved with her kids to a red state and watches a lot of Pox Noise. I suspect her neighbors and friends there in that red state do too. So she’s surrounded and totally immersed in that toxicity. I can tell, every time she argues back at me. All the knuckledragger talking points and slogans are there. I’ve actually said I want to rescue her from that poisonous prison. She replies that she doesn’t need any rescuing.

So sometimes I just throw up my hands in resignation. Some people WON’T be saved. It’s awfully hard to have to admit you were wrong, or even worse, to admit you’ve been HAD. There’s the shame thing. So we talk about her rather ridiculous work schedule that she complicated with her own problematic decisions. And about her kids whom she loves like crazy and struggled to support and provide for. I’ve tried and tried and tried to help her and be supportive because she’s having a seriously hard time. But she WON’T budge in her thinking.

Because “babykillers” I guess. Go figure. Not sure what else I can do. I used to slip her a little cash every week. But the kind of help she needs is WAY beyond my means. It’s like trying to bail out a sinking boat when all you’ve got is a teaspoon.

[violetpastille]

40. On "Babykillers"

You could say..

"Even now when we have had Republicans controlling all chambers of government - abortion remains legal. Why do you suppose that is?"

You know the answer. But you don't have to tell her. Just lead her to start asking her own questions about this one issue that she cares so much about.

[WinstonSmith4740]

42. I've noticed that, too.

Very, very quiet on that side. Haven't even heard the prerequisite, "But, Hillary..."

[Sedona]

16. My Trump voting mother announced last week

She's no longer following politics.

[Granny M]

17. My "I told you so" moment

will come eventually. Look forward to telling my cult 45 cousin that I told him Trump was a crook before he was even the nominee.

[MadDAsHell]

18. I won't get to. They wanted this chaos. They wanted an unknown.

And disgustingly enough, it appears most of them are perfectly fine with the outcome. I think way more people in this country are anarchists than we think.

They don't WANT a well functioning government.

[infullview]

19. The tRumpers I know are all still in denial

Fox news has an iron grip on these people. It's f'ing amazing how they can just say "they all do it" and dismiss the treason. I've never seen anything like it. I listen to AM radio to hear the opposition voices and they're still banging the Hillary drum, and comparing this to John Edwards, etc.. They have so completely blurred and obfuscated moral equivalence that these tRumpers don't think he did anything wrong!? The deplorables are such narrow minded stupid people, Fox news could hand them a fork and tell them it was knife and they would believe it.

[LibDemAlways]

25. You can't fix stupid. In response to a suggestion that she

turn off Fox for one hour and watch Rachel Maddow, a certified insane Trumper of my acquaintance responded that she "doesn't believe a word" Rachel says. Of course, she's never watched Rachel, so there's that. She does, however, believe every word that comes out of Trump's lying orifice. It's a disease for which there doesn't appear to be a cure.

[violetpastille]

36. Rachel is not as easily watched as FOX

She really makes you wait for it...

When she at last gets into the heart of the story it becomes very complex with a lot of people and events whom Fox viewers may not be familiar.

She does sum up, but she doesn't really tell the viewer what conclusions to draw. She'll just look into the camera meaningfully or say, "watch this space".

Maybe as an interim step something like Don Lemon. He's not a blonde woman and he's no Republican but the format and pacing may feel familiar to someone addicted to FOX.

[LibDemAlways]

44. True. Rachel never met a topic she

couldn't beat to death before getting to the point. Watching her can be exhausting. But this particular Trumpette would never watch anything on MSNBC or CNN for that matter, so it's all moot anyway. Trying to get a Fox "News" addict to switch channels is even less likely than getting Trump to lay off Twitter.

[struggle4progress]

20. We won't have to. They'll be telling us, "I always opposed Trump!

I told everybody to vote against him! I knew he was a disaster waiting to happen the first time I saw him!"

And we will be too busy doing other things to waste our time arguing

[calimary]

38. I think that's what's coming. Sure did with Nixon.

You couldn’t PAY somebody to admit they voted for Nixon. Back during Watergate, when it eventually became impossible to deny or ignore every fact that finally came out.

I bet the same thing will happen with trump.

[Nictuku]

43. Exactly

They did it for Bush too, said they never supported him.

When we start to hear a lot of this, then we will know the tides have truly turned.

[Efilroft Sul]

21. I keep telling people what I always have: Are you that stupid? Is anyone?!

Fascists don't believe in fairness, so why should they receive it from us?

[LibDemAlways]

22. I have otherwise sane longtime friends who shy away from

discussing Trump as a political figure, but who recently visited DC for a conference and had a couple of drinks at the bar of the Trump Hotel. They went on and on about how nice it was and how friendly the bartender was. However, they were surprised by how empty the place was (LOL). In order to keep the conversation from turning hostile, I held my tongue, but it was all I could do to keep from asking why anyone would give a nickle to a business associated with a racist, homophobic crook. My "What were you thinking?" moment is waiting in the wings and the curtain is slowly rising.

[RealityBasedNewYorkr]

23. Yup

[erronis]

32. Good edits. Thanks.

[calimary]

39. Yep.

[griloco]

24. Do not curse the light!

Though one may point out that Ponzi schemes fool wealthy, intelligent people and by every definition Trump is a con man.

[usrbs]

27. According to this, it's now!

https://www.zazzle.com/told+you+so+bumper+stickers

[ancianita]

28. "Don't avoid us. We know what you're thinking. Just own your regret, say it and move on.

Next time maybe you'll read and listen better to us about who should run this country instead of dividing and dragging it down."

That's what I would tell them.

Thanks for asking. It's something for Democrats to think about.

[lancelyons]

29. Are all the others staying quiet about their love of trump?

Why should you?

[ooky]

33. I said it yesterday to an idiot aquaintance

when he complained to a group of us that he had "just gone on Obamacare and now the Republicans were going to kill it, leaving him with the prospect of paying his own $1400 per month premium."

Background: He was a work aquaintance, who last year was just turning 60 and had a great job with great health care, and planned on working to full retirement. And, he was loud and often obnoxious about his "conservative views" and his gun "rights", especially when drinking (So he and I had naturally argued before.). At the time he thought Trump's "business acumen" would make Trump a great president, and denied his obvious lies and misogyny.

Then not long after the election the company decided to eliminate HIS job.

So all of a sudden he figures out that Obamacare is a good deal for him and signs up this time around, and he didn't seem to mind at all when he found a plan that would subsidize almost the entire $1400 a month. But boy was he crying about that "conservative" Texas judge yesterday.

All I said was "womp womp" , and that fortunately he has the good fortune to have enough money to cover the $1400 a month for "just a few years" if the people he voted for eventually win in the Supreme Court.

[PJMcK]

35. How about today?

What are you waiting for?

[Funtatlaguy]

37. In my group, I'd waiting to see them turn on Trump first.

[Mr. Quackers]

45. I rubbed it in my best friend's face after Cohen got sentenced

he blocked my calls and texts.

It's like he's mad at me because he's a dumbass.

I've known this motherfucker for more than 30 years since high school.

It made me question myself.

1. How could I have loved this man for all this time?

2. What can you tell about someone by who they admire?

3. How much intellectual respect can you lose for someone and still keep them in your life?

[Bucky]

46. Depends on who you want to say it to

As a teacher, I really can't ever say it. I teach government and economics and, despite my efforts to remain objective, most of my students figured out where I stand. At least the ones who care.

But other than a post-Nixon like "the system works" vague statements, I will never be able to do the superior dance. And frankly I don't have that many Trump lovers in my immediate circle. So I have the problem of "to whom would I say this?"

If you have Trump supporters in your friends and family, I think the first thing to tell them is that you are praying for their salvation. But along the way there's no reason not to point out to them each time a new scandal emerges. I recommend phrases like, "Wow another corrupt cabinet secretary is resigning. Those people don't know how to run government like a business, do they?"