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Wed Dec 19, 2018, 09:25 AM

Quit Facebook and delete the App from your Smartphone. Seriously, delete it. NOW!

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1. Facebook is sharing your private information, your contacts, your private messages with 150 corporations all over the planet.

2. Facebook continued sharing all of this information with those corporations AFTER the projects that needed this data had ended.

3. Facebook circumvented FTC-regulations preventing this kind of behavior by pretending that these corporations are middle-men between Facebook and Facebook-users.

4. Facebook continued sharing your contact-information with corporations after promising in 2014 that they would stop doing that.

5. Facebook gave these corporations the rights to read, write and delete your private messages.

6. Your privacy-settings are meaningless. Facebooks shares your info whether you allow it or not.

7. In 2017, Facebook shared private info with russian IT-giant Yandex, who is accused of working for the Kremlin.



https://gizmodo.com/amazon-and-facebook-reportedly-had-a-secret-data-sharin-1831192148

Amazon refused to let a customer write a review for a book because Amazon had secretly gotten word from Facebook that the woman was following the author on Facebook.



https://gizmodo.com/turning-off-facebook-location-tracking-doesnt-stop-it-f-1831149148

The Facebook-App tracks your location no matter whether you turn this feature on or off.



https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/18/technology/facebook-privacy.html

Facebook allowed Microsoft’s Bing search engine to see the names of virtually all Facebook users’ friends without consent, the records show, and gave Netflix and Spotify the ability to read Facebook users’ private messages.

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The social network permitted Amazon to obtain users’ names and contact information through their friends, and it let Yahoo view streams of friends’ posts as recently as this summer, despite public statements that it had stopped that type of sharing years earlier.

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In all, the deals described in the documents benefited more than 150 companies ... The deals, the oldest of which date to 2010, were all active in 2017. Some were still in effect this year.

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Facebook has found no evidence of abuse by its partners, a spokeswoman said. Some of the largest partners, including Amazon, Microsoft and Yahoo, said they had used the data appropriately, but declined to discuss the sharing deals in detail. Facebook did say that it had mismanaged some of its partnerships, allowing certain companies’ access to continue long after they had shut down the features that required the data.

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With most of the partnerships, Mr. Satterfield said, the F.T.C. agreement did not require the social network to secure users’ consent before sharing data because Facebook considered the partners extensions of itself — service providers that allowed users to interact with their Facebook friends. The partners were prohibited from using the personal information for other purposes, he said. “Facebook’s partners don’t get to ignore people’s privacy settings.”

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The feature, introduced in 2008, continues even though some Facebook users have objected to it, unsettled by its knowledge of their real-world relationships. Gizmodo and other news outlets have reported cases of the tool’s recommending friend connections between patients of the same psychiatrist, estranged family members, and a harasser and his victim.

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Some enabled partners to see users’ contact information through their friends — even after the social network, responding to complaints, said in 2014 that it was stripping all applications of that power.

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Facebook also allowed Spotify, Netflix and the Royal Bank of Canada to read, write and delete users’ private messages, and to see all participants on a thread — privileges that appeared to go beyond what the companies needed to integrate Facebook into their systems, the records show.

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Yahoo could view real-time feeds of friends’ posts for a feature that the company had ended in 2011.

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Facebook empowered Apple to hide from Facebook users all indicators that its devices were asking for data. Apple devices also had access to the contact numbers and calendar entries of people who had changed their account settings to disable all sharing, the records show.

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In 2014, Facebook ended instant personalization and walled off access to friends’ information. But in a previously unreported agreement, the social network’s engineers continued allowing Bing; Pandora, the music streaming service; and Rotten Tomatoes, the movie and television review site, access to much of the data they had gotten for the discontinued feature.

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“There has been an endless barrage of how Facebook has ignored users’ privacy settings, and we truly believed that in 2011 we had solved this problem,” said Marc Rotenberg, head of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, an online privacy group that filed one of the first complaints about Facebook with federal regulators. “We brought Facebook under the regulatory authority of the F.T.C. after a tremendous amount of work. The F.T.C. has failed to act.”

According to Facebook, most of its data partnerships fall under an exemption to the F.T.C. agreement. The company argues that the partner companies are service providers — companies that use the data only “for and at the direction of” Facebook and function as an extension of the social network.

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Facebook even recategorized one company, the Russian search giant Yandex, as an integration partner.

Facebook records show Yandex had access in 2017 to Facebook’s unique user IDs even after the social network stopped sharing them with other applications, citing privacy risks. A spokeswoman for Yandex, which was accused last year by Ukraine’s security service of funneling its user data to the Kremlin, said the company was unaware of the access and did not know why Facebook had allowed it to continue. She added that the Ukrainian allegations “have no merit.”

In October, Facebook said Yandex was not an integration partner. But in early December, as The Times was preparing to publish this article, Facebook told congressional lawmakers that it was.

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Two former Facebook partners, whose deals with the social network dated to 2010, said they could find no evidence that Facebook had ever audited them. One was BlackBerry. The other was Yandex.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 09:28 AM

1. Facebook, a deceptive and invasive enterprise. n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 12:43 PM

96. It has a culture of deception (such a culture is biologically necessary to amass grotesque wealth)

I tried to write a complaint about Fbook’s use of fake ads and fake news leading up to the 2016 election (this was before news of Fbook’s role in our current national nightmare had surfaced). They brushed off my concerns – twice. I mentioned that perhaps Mark Zuckerberg was not politically and culturally educated enough to care and wasn’t leading a taskforce of any kind to address the problem. (He quit Harvard, after all, to make $$$).

Then they censored my report.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 12:55 PM

98. So is WhatsApp.

It's Facebook as well.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 09:34 AM

2. I can't delete it off my Samsung phone. Anybody know how?

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 09:45 AM

6. Same here

I tried for months.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 09:45 AM

9. I've never had an account. Never used that piece of shit app. Yet, the

most I can do is disable it on settings application manager. My understanding is that because of the deal between Samsung and Facebook. It's treated like a system application. Therefore it can't be 100% removed.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/forums.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-note-4/635771-why-cant-i-completely-uninstall-facebook.html%3famp

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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:32 AM

29. Yup.

I recently got a Note 9 and it doesn't let you remove it - and since I also have a Samsung Gear, the software for it requires it be there since Facebook now owns Occulus (who makes the Gear for Samsung).

I never had any Facebook account and didn't create one either even with having the Occulus software on the phone (just have that account).

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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:40 AM

37. I have a Galaxy S9+ and had no trouble uninstalling the FB app.

Not complaining, but I wonder why it was easy on my phone and others are having trouble getting rid of it.

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Response to WillowTree (Reply #37)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:44 AM

40. I just got a 9 and it only lets me disable and roll back updates. nt

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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #40)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:09 AM

51. Reading these posts, I consider myself lucky to have been able to easily dump it.

I still have a FB account that I keep purely social and if, for any reason, I want to access it from my phone, I just go in through the browser. My biggest objection to the app was that it kept pestering me to install the messenger and I don't want that because it tinkered around with my contacts list which was annoying as Hell.

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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 04:50 PM

128. This is my last Samsung

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:17 AM

59. It's Probably Part Of The Phone's Built-In Software

If so, you can't delete it, but you can disable it from the Android app settings.

Personally, I've created a couple fake-name fake-data Faceborg accounts just to pollute their database a bit, and don't actually use them.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 01:36 PM

110. Can you log out of the app?

My phone has it as part of the operating system and I can't delete it either. However, I've never used it, never update it and have never logged in on my phone. I don't know if it keeps the bugger from snooping around on my phone but it's the best I can do.

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Response to blogslut (Reply #110)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 03:58 PM

118. I have it disabled, but it still is taking up space.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #118)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:48 PM

141. Same here

 

What exactly does disabled mean?

Any idea?

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #118)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 04:08 AM

149. I heard on the news today that it takes 6 weeks to go into effect once

you delete it. I think they said Instagram is also owned by Fuckerberg and does the same thing as Fakebook I never had either so this is from what I saw on cable news, not from my own experience.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:07 PM

139. I highly recommend this app ..its free, it will ask you if you want to allow an app Internet access

or deny it. And whether to allow it on wifi or cell...

No root firewall

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=app.greyshirts.firewall&hl=en_US

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Response to wroberts189 (Reply #139)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:08 PM

140. While your at it.. delete whatsapp and Instagram ..FB owned ...


I highly recommend Telegram X or Telegram... runs on all systems even web. Allows end to end encryption.

Telegram Messenger
https://telegram.org/

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 05:12 AM

151. 3 Ways to Remove Facebook if It Came Preinstalled on Your Android Phone -- No Root Needed

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 09:38 AM

3. Extremely important..Facebook lied. It didn't sell info, IT SHARED INFO..WITH OTHERS..

So, private info was NOT SAFE, IT WAS GIVEN FOR FREE IN PART A SHARING DEALS....
FROM ABOVE......
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Facebook allowed Microsoft’s Bing search engine to see the names of virtually all Facebook users’ friends without consent, the records show, and gave Netflix and Spotify the ability to read Facebook users’ private messages.

The social network permitted Amazon to obtain users’ names and contact information through their friends, and it let Yahoo view streams of friends’ posts as recently as this summer, despite public statements that it had stopped that type of sharing years earlier.

In all, the deals described in the documents benefited more than 150 companies ... The deals, the oldest of which date to 2010, were all active in 2017. Some were still in effect this year.

Facebook has found no evidence of abuse by its partners, a spokeswoman said. Some of the largest partners, including Amazon, Microsoft and Yahoo, said they had used the data appropriately, but declined to discuss the sharing deals in detail. Facebook did say that it had mismanaged some of its partnerships, allowing certain companies’ access to continue long after they had shut down the features that required the data.

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:50 AM

43. Never had an account. Never missed it. I'm probably happier without it.

I text or call or email friends. Or sometimes I even see them. I don't need to see their vacation pics or restaurant plate pics.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #43)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:15 AM

56. Same here...nt

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Response to Squinch (Reply #43)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 02:22 PM

115. Copy that. But, my other half joined up last year (?). I keep sending him

all these 'negative features' posts about it. Actually deceitful and underhanded practices. Liars. "I keep telling him!"

Thx to DUers who post these alerts. 👍

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 12:59 PM

101. I've never had it for all the above reasons and more.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 09:41 AM

4. I have, but many people are addicted to it...

...literally addicted. For something that seemed rather innocuous at first, it's showing itself as a bane on society.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 01:39 PM

111. +1

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 09:42 AM

5. And then when you want to share an idea widely?

 

Facebook will throttle messages it finds overly political as well, it seems. I'll post a Tom Tomorrow cartoon or similar and it will get two likes and one comment, when I have ~1500 friends, and my non-political posts get plenty more traction than that.

Nonetheless, I stick around at FB for the kid pics and news from afar. I just treat "Friends Only" posts as public, and my public posts as potentially radioactive.

I do not have Messenger on my phone, and intend to keep it that way.

With FB, we are the product, the commodity. If one keeps that in mind, then it can be a source of amusement.

k&r,

-app

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Response to appal_jack (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:06 AM

16. Many people throttle overly political people.

 

I have several Facebook friends that I have unfollowed, but not unfriended, because all they do is spew political posts. I don't collect friend as if they were some sort of trophy, my friends are people I actual know. Facebook is not a political forum like DU, so an inappropriate venue for political content.

As I am job-hunting, I am more aware of keeping politics out of my non-anonymous social media. Here, I can let get my fill of content that would cause issues with some of the people who are my friends, regardless of politics.

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Response to appal_jack (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:21 AM

23. i do the same.

my extended family is all on FB and i keep up with them that way - we are scattered all over the US. many of them use instagram more now but i cannot figure that damn app out and it's turning out that the russians are all over instagram as well.

ETA i had fb messenger on my phone for maybe one day - it was so intrusive i deleted it. if someone messages me they have to wait until i'm at my computer. if it's someone close they can call me.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 09:45 AM

7. FSBook?

Yep, it's as corrupt as it can be.

Twitter is as bad or worse, but, nobody is willing to admit it yet.

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Response to Hugin (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 12:26 PM

88. +1

Twitter always gets an unearned pass.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 09:45 AM

8. Facebook is the slop jar of the internet.

I know people who use Facebook for business, and it seems to serve them well, but it's not good for much else. Facebook thrives on stupid people who post everything about themselves there. People seem to forget that Facebook was created to generate profit. They think of it like it's the water company, like it's there to provide a service to people.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 09:53 AM

10. Bummed

I like FB because it keeps me connected with folks who lean left like me.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 09:57 AM

11. I don't really care who reads what.

I'm a liberal leftie and I want everyone to know it.

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Response to ananda (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:02 AM

13. same here.. i use it to share anti trump shit and animal rescue stuff...

..I post but never read the replies and maybe once a week I log on briefly for some other reason. Im not susceptible to any propaganda and I never believe stuff I read unless I can verify it with other sources.

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Response to samnsara (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:26 AM

64. Same here!

My FB page is my anti-Trump platform. I don't give a damn how much it gets shared.

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Response to ananda (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:53 AM

46. Agree!

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Response to ananda (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 12:11 PM

81. Me too.

I treat the internet like privacy is dead. Only post things you don't mind others reading & knowing it was you who posted it.

Let's all post this today:



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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #81)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 04:46 PM

125. This

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:00 AM

12. Facebook also put Trump into the White House




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Zuckerberg is on record as saying "the problems" in 2016 and the elections
was a bad app and security problems but in reality facebook was working hand
and glove with Cambridge Analytica and the Trump Campaign to help "bath"
targeted voters with multiple streams of misinformation.


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The campaign also employed Cambridge Analytica, a data science firm principally owned by Trump backer and Breitbart investor Robert Mercer, to provide “useful analysis of data about the American electorate” as reported in Wired. The firm sent three staff members to the San Antonio office, including its chief product officer, Matt Oczkowski.

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Hong’s boss Brad Parscale had a similar take about the social media platform. In an interview with 60 Minutes, Parscale, the Trump's campaign Digital Director said, “I understood early that Facebook was how Donald Trump was going to win. Twitter is how he talked to the people. Facebook was going to be how he won.”

Parscale also revealed in the interview that Facebook provided the campaign with their employees, working out of the Project Alamo office, and helped educate the digital team on how to use Facebook ads. And it wasn’t just Facebook. According to Parscale, Google employees, and Twitter employees also visited the digital office multiple days a week.

https://www.cbc.ca/passionateeye/features/how-facebook-was-harnessed-to-micro-target-voters-and-promote-donald-trump

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Response to Botany (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:20 AM

61. It was a factor but in spite of

American gulliblity, ignorance and arrogance along with a big dose of precinct by precinct election fraud and an unfair and unbalanced election system, Hillary got more votes than any presidential candidate except Barrack Obama. The voices of the majority has been muffled and it's not by Facebook, but by the lying, cheating and dirty dealing of the Republican party using the obvious anti democratic flaws in our own Consitution against us.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #61)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:42 AM

70. Facebook was a factor .... one of many.

But it was part of the Russia/Trump/GOP plan.

And your are right about the precinct by precinct electoral fraud.
Russia was into Wisconsin @ the county level in 2016.

https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/2017/01/23/russians-suspected-hacking-local-dems/96965824/

BTW I put up my sig line .... It was treason and we had a coup on the day after the elections 2016.

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Response to Botany (Reply #70)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 12:08 PM

80. Facebook was absolutely critical to their 2016 campaign strategy

Just like right now with the riots they instigated in France

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Response to Botany (Reply #70)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 12:34 PM

93. Agree.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #61)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:57 AM

79. Do you really want to defend Facebook?

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #79)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 12:37 PM

95. No I don't.

I just recognize there’s more than one villain and they’ve been around long before Facebook.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:03 AM

14. I have deleted my account 0n Nov. 30th 2018

Got tired of dealing with Trumpers

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:03 AM

15. I'm on the 30 day countdown to deletion of account on Putin & Zuckerberg's

 

right wing spy/GOP network.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:30 AM

27. Mine is deactivated and awaiting deletion as well.

It should be gone Jan 7th.

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Response to Zing Zing Zingbah (Reply #27)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 01:13 PM

102. Well that makes two of us not supporting the right wing fascists!

 

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:11 AM

17. I can't

honestly, as long as my 86 yo mother is alive, I am keeping facebook.

She can't remember her password for email and that's been broken for 3 months. The only way to contact her is via facebook or phone. With the 6 hr time difference, I'm afraid that's all I can do.

(To the OP, your information is out there and anybody will 25 bucks can get your name, address, phone number, date of birth and marital status easily. If I was worried about facebook having my data, I wouldn't have an account. Seriously, as a trained IT person, the hacks in the past decade have taken your social security number and credit card numbers too. Our data isn't private anywhere anymore. Too late, sorry).

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Response to LittleGirl (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:34 AM

33. The idea of privacy laws is to protect privacy

Facebook violating that privacy and then lying about it is wrong. They also shared your friends' data. There are hundreds of millions of people on FB, 25 bucks each is a lot of money.

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Response to Progressive dog (Reply #33)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:10 AM

53. yep, it sucks it's out there

but you're right, it's supposed to protect us.

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Response to LittleGirl (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:22 AM

63. I'm in the same situation. My mother is 95.

She's nearly deaf, and is hard to understand on the phone, but she has an amazing Facebook life! We have a private group for just her and me and my two sisters, where we discuss everything from recipes to funeral planning to Christmas reunion plans.

I don't post anything I wouldn't want to be public (except snark about a few relatives), because I'm well aware that Facebook is like that filthy tank in the dentist's office in Finding Nemo. You swim at your own risk.

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Response to Croney (Reply #63)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:33 AM

65. yup, that's the way it is. Glad your family gets along well. eom

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Response to LittleGirl (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 04:46 PM

126. All true!!

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:13 AM

18. Yeah, okay.......

So Facebook and The Soviets know I play war-games, go to the Botanical Garden, keep up with friends, read silly Meme's, am interested in what speaker is at the Library and post a few photos of flowers and sunrises.


Okay I will rush to delete my account......

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:20 AM

22. Exactly...do folks think only FB does this?

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Response to HipChick (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:21 AM

62. Last week I was in Hawaii and Google knew all about it.

All my ads changed from shoes and kitchen islands to local hotels and restaurants. Now it's changed back. Unless I threw my phone in the ocean, people know where I am.

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Response to flibbitygiblets (Reply #62)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 01:27 PM

106. It is scary or at least odd isn't it?

I went to my doctor a few weeks ago and when I checked my phone in the waiting room it told me that it was his wife's birthday. WTF?

Everyone knows everything. I have FB to keep up with people I know. I do a little politics but rarely and usually only in a protected group. I know it is not protected for "them" but it is not on the public part where others mess with you and try to hack you.

I do hate much of it, it is often stupid crap and worthless but my family and friends who I will never see again but have found a new relationship with on FB are important to me and as I get older I think it will be more important. When you live away from a city it is important to have contact with others as you age. So...for now I am staying. I have protected myself as much as I possibly can and after that it is either be alone without these important people and still be tracked, spied on and used by other sites or groups I am unaware of or just stay on FB with as many protections as I can put on it and deal with it.

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Response to HipChick (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 12:16 PM

83. If others do what FB does then it must be OK.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #83)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 04:09 PM

120. Or, the focus on FB is pretending that cutting down one tree denies the existence of a forest.

As to your own expressed sentiment, you appear the only one making that argument, while yet simultaneously arguing against it. :shrug

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #120)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 06:31 PM

130. Although I could call it sarcasm I prefer to call it irony.

I'm fairly convinced an intelligent poster like yourself can figure that out. If not then my apologies.

As far as the forest analogy, I think my participation in or patronage of anything is a worthy statement. Your alternate viewpoint would support the idea that an individual vote is not worth the trouble because it's a miniscule gesture, just one vote in the forest. I think not. Every act that supports a business, institution or idea is a vote and I take that seriously.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #83)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 12:27 AM

143. Why single out one provider? n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #143)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 02:39 AM

148. I wouldn't if I had the specifics on otber providers

that we have hands down of FB. I did mention WhatsApp earlier except it's owned and operated by FB. Others have mentioned Twitter but the subject of the OP is FB. No doubt the issue is network wide but not dealing with FB because others commit the same transgression isn't logical. We have to deal with what is right on the front line and Facebook's deceit is the most prevalent and far reaching.

Some people complain that we only have one vote and it's insignificant. On the contrary, we vote every time we make a purchase, every time we click a link, every decision we make to support a business or cause. All of those votes count. I want my votes to support human values, not disguised usery that undermines democracy in favor of oligarchy.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:40 AM

35. I cannot fail to notice that you use a pseudonym on DU, not your real name.

If you really don't care about all the banalities and trivialities of your hobbies getting out, why do you not use your real name?

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #35)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:41 AM

69. +100

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #35)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 12:23 PM

85. And it's funny that pseudonyms don't matter on FB.

They get, use and distribute your info anyway.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 12:14 PM

82. They don't care about those things either.

What they care about are who your friends are, who their friends are, who you friend, who you like and dislike, whatever contact information that entails and how all that information fits into an algorithm that can be used by the buyer to manipulate the public for whatever they're after whether it's financial or political. No one cares about your garden exploits.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 07:44 AM

156. Yep.

I don’t post anything on there that I don’t want shared.
But I like to know what’s happening in my town, and considering I travel a ton, I can touch base easily.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:16 AM

19. Facebook is Russian malware and Zuck is a colossal traitor nt

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:36 AM

67. +1

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 12:31 PM

90. +2

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:17 AM

20. Facebook is a lawless corporation

They may be broken beyond fixing. If governments fail to act to audit and punish Facebook, then users must.

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Response to Progressive dog (Reply #20)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 12:24 PM

86. This...

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:19 AM

21. I quit that dumb fucking thing years ago, will NEVER go back.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:23 AM

24. Not on Facebook

Deleted long ago. I despise it and am not too impressed with Twitter.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:23 AM

25. never used it

no account.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:28 AM

26. I never joined Facebook

or Twitter

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Response to malaise (Reply #26)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 04:10 AM

150. Neither have I.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:32 AM

28. I always treat everything on facebook as public

there isn’t much there; what type of private info are you afraid of sharing? I don’t have my phone number there or address or even exact real name, and dont share anything embarassing, same with facebook messsager. I will say that many of my friends and relatives have moved on to instagram and rarely use facebook anymore. I had to install instagram too (owned by facebook) just to keep up to date. What we need to work on is some serious regulations around people’s data with real consequences. EU is doing better in this area.

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #28)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:44 AM

39. I treat everything on my phone as public.

I never put anything but general stuff on my phone.

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #28)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:43 AM

71. once my granddtr asked my my phone# was on FB..

...ao apparently there are some things that we as users need to be aware of and tweek as needed...but other than that im surprised how many ppl post stuff about their little kids.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:33 AM

30. I'm not going to leave FB. I don't have the app on my Smartphone.

I do support government legislation, oversight, and enforcement of privacy laws on all social media. We know they can't be trusted to do it themselves.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:33 AM

31. How about using it but never posting personal information?

I belong to a closed group that talks about cat rescue and fostering. All they know about me is what kind of cats I have.

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Response to ginnyinWI (Reply #31)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:11 AM

54. They know more about you than you think. It's not just what you post.

They also know who you're friends with (if you've done any of those connections), possibly records of physical locations like which stores you visit (if their app is on your phone and you have location services on), how much time you spend viewing which posts (telling them more about your interests), whatever sign-up info you provided (age, etc.), what hours of the day you tend to be online, all kinds of things even if you never create or like a single post (and more if you do).

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #54)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 12:35 PM

94. This is what most people just don't get.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #54)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 12:36 AM

145. And you think FB is the only site that's collecting this info?

And that everyone has FB apps on their phones?

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #145)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 01:59 AM

146. I didn't say those things. But since you ask...

I think other sites collect info, and it's all worth considering. That said, facebook probably has (and makes available to others) access to more of it than anyone else. Google has a lot of info on you, but people generally engage with google in entirely different ways than they engage with facebook.

As for the other, of course I don't think everyone has FB apps in their phones, or else I wouldn't have typed a phrase like "if their app is on your phone."

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:33 AM

32. My solution

is to assume that anything posted on line isn't private. I post photographs of flowers, pictures of Indian spices, pictures of goats eating kudzu, just interesting or quirky things. I have friends in India I like to keep up with.

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Response to greymattermom (Reply #32)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 02:01 PM

114. I mainly post public service announcements.

Like, what plants are toxic to cats, etc.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:35 AM

34. Kick

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:40 AM

36. The Three Stages of Facebook Addiction Denial....

1. "What difference does it make, anyone can obtain your information on the web."

True, but that is not what is being talked about here as the users of this application did not sign up to have their contact information, messages and who knows whatever else -- read by Facebook and Shared/Sold to Whomever.

2. "My Friends, Family, Dog, Cat could not EVER be reached like EVER if it was not for Facebook, therefore I must keep it."

Really? Did phones stop working all of a sudden? What about snail mail? What about just stopping over someones home for a wellness check? Facebook is NOT a need, it is a WANT. Acknowledge it and move on from the lame excuses.

3. Well Twitter, Google, MSN, (Insert - Name Any Social Media Tool) Sells Your Data Too!

Maybe, but they have NOT at this point to be as Evil in the intent of doing so (Yet??) as Facebook obviously has been. Point, Blank, Period. Facebook sold your data to a Russian Firm to target your thought patterns to heavily influence how you might vote or not vote in an election. That is the reality of Facebook. Deal with it and don't make excuses for them or you.

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #36)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:01 AM

48. Thank you!

I see and hear these excuses all the time. Unfortunately, a great many people just do not give a shit about being spied on, tracked, and reported on, as long as they get the endorphin rush that comes from being acknowledged and affirmed via Facebook feedback.

I don’t use it and have managed to maintain all my most important relationships with family and friends just fine.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:41 AM

38. I, personally, never have ANY problems with FB.

I do not engage in any political discourse.

I probably have some 'friends' who lean right, I don;t know, but if any of them post anything that I see in my news feed, they are toast.

I am a still active retired musician who, while not exactly famous (whew!), is known in my field throughout the world. I have real and, thanks to FB, "FB" friends in many countries -- mostly classical musicians, ballet dancers, artistic types, a few sailors, instrument makers,etc. Also just old friends.

This is how we stay in touch with each other. I learn a great deal from many of these people, often through private groups, can buy and sell instruments and accessories pertinent to my profession through a couple of other private groups...

90% of the time I use my desktop, but also my cell, especially when traveling.

I had a 1 hour call last night with 2 dear friends in Graz, for free, using FB messenger. Sure beats hell out of Verizon, which is still tying to over charge me for cell use on a recent trip to Japan.

I don;t doubt what others say, This is just my experience.


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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:48 AM

41. Uh huh!

This falls into the category "My congressman is ok. It's yours we need to remove from office."

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:50 AM

42. I left it a few years ago. Could see this coming a mile away. n/t

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:52 AM

44. For those of us addicted to it, what can we replace it with?

I'm fine with going back to MySpace, but I would be alone on my friend's list.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #44)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 01:34 PM

109. Addiction

I have a theory that people that are addicted (all of us, to something)

are longing for connection, for beauty, for meaning.

I would say this. Don't give up your addiction, but fill yourself up with something else that the addiction loses power.

Buy a dozen roses and go to the closest graveyard and put a flower on 12 graves of your choice. Contemplate eternity.

Get a stack of post its and write messages on them "You are an ever flowering blossom" "It will be okay" whatever you would like to see and hide the post its in the supermarket. In a carton of eggs. on an orange juice carton.

Write in chalk on the sidewalk, "Be Here Now" "Remember to Breathe."

Take a walk. Sprinkle wildflower seeds as you go.

And on and on...

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Response to violetpastille (Reply #109)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 09:48 PM

138. Thanks for such creative suggestions!

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:52 AM

45. The problem is that Zuckerberg is a dishonest piece of shit.

And you can bet that the public only knows about 10% of the fuckery he is pulling.

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Response to LuckyCharms (Reply #45)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:08 AM

50. No matter what he says, every keystroke you give him is kept, shared and monetized behind your back.

It's guaranteed.

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Response to LuckyCharms (Reply #45)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 09:04 AM

159. +1000

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 10:56 AM

47. As a librarian

I take personal responsibility for the information I post. No addresses, personal dates, etc. I used to teach my students how to be safe online. It should be taught in all schools.
I also manage pages for 2 charities. Facebook is great for that.

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Response to iamateacher (Reply #47)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:06 AM

49. I manage a web site for a nonprofit using WordPress,

and it works great. There are other web platforms that are as easy or easier to use, and cheap or free.

Of course, with Facebook, you get the built in tentacles that make it easy to be found by FB users, but those same tentacles are part of the framework the OP warns about.

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Response to iamateacher (Reply #47)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 01:50 PM

112. Facebook is a un-American racist company.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:09 AM

52. EVERYTHING you do on social media is tracked and public.

Absolutely everything. Even your private videos and pictures. All tracked!

Don’t put pictures on social media that you wouldn’t want the world to see. Don’t put pictures you wouldn’t want sold to a porn site - technically, they could do that too.

There is no delete. Once you upload the pictures, they’re there forever.

Never send embarrassing photos on your smart phone either. Those can be stolen from your phone. Even if Apple assures you they can’t, you’re trusting a corporation to care about your privacy. All they care about is money.

That’s my philosophy on devices and social media. They need to be used carefully. Everything is public domain now - there is no privacy, like it or not.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:12 AM

55. I did this a few years ago...

Never really liked FB that much.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:17 AM

57. Best advice this entire year! Fakebook is a giant data mining fraud!

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:17 AM

58. I'm not naive enough to think that nearly everything to know about me is being collected and shared

all over the place whether I like it or not. Perhaps the day will come when I can't leave the house without being seen on video. So what do I do then? Stay home and never leave the house?

I use Facebook to be able to post at places that require it, that's it.
None of the information I have there about me is real. No, it's not a perfect solution but this is the world we live in now.
Do I think that I am absolutely safe about what I post here at DU?
No.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:20 AM

60. What a funny thing to do

 

Arguably the worlds largest communication and information sharing service should be shunned by left leaning groups because of the use of right wing groups?

I am by no means going to make excuses for facebook's actions, but I find it hilarious that people think this is only FB that engages in this. Literally almost every social service is sharing and or selling your data. And if they aren't, it is likely they are going to mishandle your data at some point. Doesn't make it right. It's just a fact that these things are going to happen.

Knowing that the right is using these tools to reach out and gain voters and support why is our first inclination regarding these stories to cede that ground to them? The goal should be stricter privacy laws and data governance. Even still we are always going to have these problems online. Always. Underline that. There will ALWAYS be these types of issues online. Because someone is always looking to gain that info either inside the host company or outside.

I think if we abandon social media we are fools.

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Response to MrGrieves (Reply #60)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 12:33 AM

144. I agree. I post lots of articles from reputable MSM sites to counter

all the junk my family and friends might be seeing. And I've had some relatives and acquaintances in red areas contact me privately and thank me for doing this -- because it made them feel less isolated.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:34 AM

66. facebook has ALWAYS been a big data collecting machine...why do you think we get it for free?

..this shouldnt be a surprise to anyone. Just never post anything you want kept private.

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Response to samnsara (Reply #66)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 04:08 PM

119. Yes, and you also don't have to accept every friend request that comes your way.

It boggles my mind that people accept requests from people they don't even know. I always thought it odd that I was getting friend requests from foreigners, mostly Russian women. Now I know why. I never got any of the Anti-Hillary, Pro-Trump hit in my news feed, because the bots had no permission from me to do so.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:36 AM

68. Ok Facebook is problematic. Way problematic

But, that being said, it keeps me connected to friends and family members whom I would not be able to have any contact with otherwise and I've met tons of people I would never have met otherwise. It is probably my only pipeline to having a social life at present. I'm personally in no rush to get rid of it. A lot of marginalized groups don't have any other means of communication with the outside world beyond social media. Don't throw away the proverbial "baby" with the bathwater and keep on pushing for social media companies to be more responsive/responsible to our concerns.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:45 AM

72. FB/GOOG/TWITTER -- they must be regulated

full stop

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Response to Dorn (Reply #72)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:56 AM

77. Yes, found this thread that explores your point:

[link:http://
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Response to Ponietz (Reply #77)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 12:50 PM

97. You know, I can agree with this....

But I'll be damned if I'm not going to be personally resposible as well. To do otherwise is the same as saying voting doesn't matter or my vote won't make a difference. We can vote every day through our choices.

My actions matter.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #97)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 12:57 PM

100. +1

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Response to Dorn (Reply #72)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 01:54 PM

113. I don't agree with that. That's what trump is pushing. Do you support Trump?

Just boycott Facebook.

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Response to Dorn (Reply #72)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 06:11 AM

154. +1

Any web page you visit with a “Like and share” button embedded in it, regardless if it’s FB, Twitter, Pinterest, your visit is being recorded and catalogued for advertisers (or worse). So you can never use a social media site, but your habits are known anyway.

One solution is to give up any and all internet use, maybe move out into the boonies like those extreme off-grid survivalists in Alaska. Or we can demand more regulation and oversight of how Big Data uses that information they scrape with every web page visit.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:53 AM

73. Some in the media are doing the same thing

Here is Kasie Hunt from MSNBC/NBC

:large

Jessica Valenti



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Response to RockaFowler (Reply #73)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:54 AM

75. +1

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:56 AM

76. Can't delete. I have a Samsung. When I get my next phone I'm going to get a brand

That doesn't have programs hardwired in.

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Response to SweetieD (Reply #76)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 07:47 PM

132. You can't delete FB at all on your phone? nt

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:57 AM

78. Never joined

I never joined facebook as myself. No info about me at all. I have a fake shell account in the name of a long dead designer. I even put his birthday, the correct one on. He was born in 1922. I never do anything with that account either, I just poke around with it. I have seen old co-workers, jerks from high school, assorted old friends. But anybody that is important to me has my e-mail. It has not changed in 20 years. So I feel no need to give Zuckerberg any pictures or info about myself.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 12:22 PM

84. Someone needs to file a clas action suit on behalf of all Facebook users.

If Facebook had to pay a settlement that was more money than it made off these companies, this nonsense might stop.

For some people Facebook is valuable and not easy to do without.

As a reporter, I keep track of what the issues are in various communities that I cover, what local candidates are doing or saying, etc. I get input for stories when I need comments. I create invitations to events where I can invite hundreds at a time to fundraisers for our nonprofit. I also keep in touch with a few old friends and family who have moved away.

For some businesses, Facebook is a lifeblood. Many local restaurants, galleries, wineries and bars post their weekly entertainment, classes, and so forth to get customers. Some are barely making ends meet and without that promotion would have a hard time.

Dems in January need to haul Zuckerburg's ass onto the carpet and hold him accountable. Pass new laws with teeth in them if they are violated. There must be a solution short of eliminating Facebook, which is useful for millions of people around the world, maybe billions.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 12:26 PM

87. I'm on FB and I'll be staying there.

But I don't have a smart phone, and am more and more disinclined ever to get one.

When my son died last year it was Facebook that made it possible to inform all of his many friends of his death, and it was because of Facebook that over 200 people showed up at his memorial less than ten days later.

No, I'm not getting off FB, but I do limit what I post.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 12:33 PM

91. I enjoy Facebook and instagram

I love being able to keep up with my family, cousins, friends and acquaintances. Most of them live in far off places and I like seeing what they're interested in now.

The shared history aspect of it all is what value most. There are historical memory pages of the various places where my ancestors once lived. It's interesting to see the old photos and to wonder about what life must have been like for them back then.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1806791499619634/members/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/779324542159457/

So much to learn, so little time.

I could go on and on....

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 12:33 PM

92. I lulz'd

there no real info other than my name on it. didn't even use my real b-date

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Response to KG (Reply #92)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 01:14 PM

103. That depends.

Facebook has your contact-list, your geo-location, they know who you are friends with, they know who you follow on Facebook, they know which topics you like on Facebook... Facebook has a file on you and your habits.
This is you.
Your digital fingerprint.
The only thing that is missing is the name of the person who belongs to that fingerprint.

And while Facebook does not know your real-world name, your digital fingerprint can be cross-referenced with the data the other 150 corporations have about you.

How many people do you know who have exactly the same friends as you, exactly the same interests on Facebook as you and who log in from exactly the same IP-adresses as you?

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 12:56 PM

99. So Gen Flynn sold out his country but Zuckerberg hasn't?

Zuckerberg Zombies: Addicted Users of Facebook; corporate junkies; modern equivalents of Jim Jones' followers and David Koresh followers.

So Facebook apologists, how do you condemn Republican voter suppression, gerrymandering, and collusion with Russia and billionaires to steal elections but not condemn Facebook colluding with Russia and Cambridge Analytica and billionaires to steal an election?

Pod People. Learned helplessness.

Since /zuckerberg refuses to be honest about privacy I challenge Facebook users to each post a warning label on your site that states visitors to your page have no expectation of privacy/

You do have that power.



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Response to delisen (Reply #99)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 01:14 PM

104. I agree although posting that warning will probably

get them censured or banned. FB doesn't abide criticism.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 01:19 PM

105. No FB

but Messenger. You suppose that, too?

Uninstalled.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 01:29 PM

107. I've quit it twice

The last time about 7 years ago. I'll not be going back EVER. I do have a rarely used Twitter account with an alias, which I deactivated yesterday for good measure. Not sure if Twitter is practicing this kind of crap, but it's not worth it to keep.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 01:31 PM

108. Done.

I disabled the app on my phone about 6 months ago. I have been visiting less and less using a web browser. I was already planning to do it but this news pushed me over the edge.

Thinking about dumping Twitter too. I don't really use it much anymore.



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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 02:34 PM

116. Quite honestly

anyone who has any expectation of privacy on social media or on the internet, period, is living in a fool's paradise.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 02:48 PM

117. I never put FB on my phone

In fact I don't put any app on my phone that demands location data.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 04:20 PM

121. It comes preinstalled in many phones, but you can always turn it off

And that I did, immediately after purchasing and setting up my phone. Also turned off Instagram, TripAdvisor, and most of the other preinstalled crap. When I'm forced to go on facebook, I use the browser version.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 04:24 PM

122. I never had a Facebook account, but my sons do.

I'll advise them accordingly. They're students so probably no major harm done.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 04:44 PM

123. No. Don't care.

 

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 04:45 PM

124. I would like to quit FB, however...

I would like to quit FB, however, I don't know on another app where to search for and setup public events. Another app like Instagram are more like word of mouth and/or hard to search any random events to do on certain specific days. There are plenty of events I found using that app event calender.
I also use Meetup app too, but sometimes it harder to find groups for people who live in smaller cities. Also I have to pay yearly if I want to setup an event group. If there is another app to look at, I'll give it a try.

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Response to clutterbox1830 (Reply #124)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 05:15 AM

152. Eventbrite. (nt)

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 04:49 PM

127. everytime you sue your credit card you give your information to corporations

 

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 05:04 PM

129. I have two Facebook accounts.

One of them under my own name, one under a made up name. Now I know how some advertiser got the info on my made up name and sent me USPS mail.

I don't have Facebook on my phone and never will.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 07:45 PM

131. Google does something similar, too.

It tracks you wherever you go. I could list all the things it does, but that's boring. Suffice to say, if you have a google account, and then you to any other website, Google is tracking you. When you input a credit card number, Google keeps it. When you post as "anonymous" to a news article, Google links that post to your account.

Nothing on the internet is secret or private, any more, seems like.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 07:56 PM

133. I am so glad I never joined facebook! (nt)

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 08:10 PM

134. Apparently it's FaceBook that could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose any supporters.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 08:37 PM

135. Did it about a year ago

BEST thing I have done in a long time. Even more glad now after the privacy issues have come to light.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 08:38 PM

136. Did it about a year ago

BEST thing I have done in a long time. Even more glad now after the privacy issues have come to light.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 09:43 PM

137. I don't have a FB app on my phone. nt

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 12:03 AM

142. My only FB account is under a fake name

and I've never had it on a phone.

FB is a horrendous con. The only time it was worth spit was after the 2016 election when DU was down. It was nice to keep up with what was happening with the effort to get us back up again.

Still, FB has proven itself to be one of the worst privacy violators on the internet. I refuse to use it again.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 02:09 AM

147. 'I don't miss it at all.' There's life after deleting Facebook, some former users say

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/12/19/these-people-deleted-their-facebook-accounts-and-have-no-regrets/2365191002/

'I don't miss it at all.' There's life after deleting Facebook, some former users say
Jessica Guynn, USA TODAY Published 8:32 p.m. ET Dec. 19, 2018 | Updated 8:32 p.m. ET Dec. 19, 2018

SAN FRANCISCO – Abbey Fatica joined Facebook in 2004 after graduating from Ohio State, when the social network was for college students only. Soon it became an everyday – or even every hour – part of her life, constantly tugging at her attention, whether she was posting pictures of her four children, updates from her two businessesor catching up with friends and relatives.

But over the past year, Fatica, a 37-year-old writer who lives outside Columbus, Ohio, began to notice that her anxiety levels rose each time she checked Facebook, especially when her connections shared mommy-shaming articles or disturbing videos from local newscasts.

Last February, Fatica took a month-long break from social media. In retrospect, she says, "that was the beginning of deleting Facebook." In November, she closed her account and never looked back.

"I'm free!" she wrote on Twitter using the hashtag #deletefacebook.

As the giant social network reels from a series of scandals, more Facebook users have begun to question what they are getting out of the relationship. The answer for some: Not enough.

Four in 10 Facebook users ages 18 and older say they've taken a break from checking the platform for several weeks or more, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted in May and June and released in September. About a quarter say they've deleted the Facebook app from their phone.


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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 05:58 AM

153. Alternatives to Facebook:

  • Send a homemade post card to a loved one (I send my Mom one every week).

  • Create opportunities for in-person human interaction: Join a book club, schedule regular outings or get-togethers with friends or family, do volunteer work, get a plot at a community garden, take a class, etc.

  • Call friends and family on the telephone. The real-time interactivity is amazing!

  • Learn to play a new musical instrument.

  • Post on DU.

  • exchange artist trading cards with one or more friends.

  • Get an AR headset:

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Response to klook (Reply #153)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 08:59 AM

158. +1

1. Have something to say? Print it out on your computer and wheatpaste it!
https://www.instructables.com/id/Wheatpaste/

2.Clean out that center console of your car. All the gum. That lone fry. The straw wrappers..

3. Make eye contact and smile at people. I know. I know. It's a challenge. Try looking at the space between the eyes first.

4. Become conscious of your feet touching the floor. Sometimes that's all it takes to get out of your thoughts and into your body and your surroundings.

5. Meditate on the fact that the fact that you are meditating is changing the world for the better.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 06:55 AM

155. I have nothing on it nor do I use it to message or post. No input from me.

I don't use it to log onto anything else, either.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 07:53 AM

157. VPN access...

It’s to be assumed that if you are online doing *anything* your every move is being tracked by someone, somewhere.

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