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Thu Dec 20, 2018, 10:29 AM

Who advised Trump to withdraw from Syria? Mattis didn't, Bolton didn't,

the Joint Chiefs didn't, the SoS and the new CoS didn't. Who, besides Putin, is he listening to?

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Reply Who advised Trump to withdraw from Syria? Mattis didn't, Bolton didn't, (Original post)
Raven Dec 2018 OP
EleanorR Dec 2018 #1
Raven Dec 2018 #3
spinbaby Dec 2018 #5
brooklynite Dec 2018 #2
Dread Pirate Roberts Dec 2018 #4
lark Dec 2018 #7
Achilleaze Dec 2018 #8
D_Master81 Dec 2018 #6
WeekiWater Dec 2018 #9
Polybius Dec 2018 #10

Response to Raven (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 10:31 AM

1. Erdogan

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Response to EleanorR (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 10:34 AM

3. OK, but who in this country advised him to do this?

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Response to Raven (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 10:36 AM

5. Rand Paul?

He seemed to have been for it. Or it could just be Putinís Christmas present.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 10:32 AM

2. Secretary of State Kushner?

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 10:36 AM

4. It's Putin and Erdogan

Why did Russia and Turkey put so much effort into influencing Trump and Flynn? For a day like this. Throw in the lifting of sanctions on Deripaska this week and it all makes sense regarding just what those influence efforts were all about. Trump was the perfect target. He's an idiot who thinks he's smarter than everyone else who is also greedy. What more can a foreign power looking to gain influence ask for?

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Response to Dread Pirate Roberts (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 10:43 AM

7. Winner winner chicken dinner!

This was definitely orchestrated by PUtin and Erdogan to give Turkey what it wants to shut up about murderous MBS & his co-conspirtor, Kushner. drumpf is handing Erdogan the Kurds on a platter and is doing this knowing full well he's killing our best allies in the region. He cares for nobody but himself, is the most disloyal person I've ever heard of.

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Response to lark (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 10:45 AM

8. You nailed it

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 10:38 AM

6. His Gut?

It does tell him more than other people's brain do after all.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 10:54 AM

9. If he is still thinking about winning the next election then it makes sense.

 

In a very messed up way he ran as a populist. I never understood why that word gets such warm feeling from those on the left. More often than not history has shown that politicians running as populists are horrific for the people they serve/rule over.

His base is "ordinary people". It's a group who believes we should withdraw from the world stage and only take care of things at home. They can't point to Syria on a map. They can't point to Iraq on a map. They don't see the connections or have empathy outside of the United States. This is Trumps populist image coming though. It also knocks some of the absolutely horrible news off the front page. He just doesn't think two steps ahead and didn't realize this would also generate news that is negative.

I think Trump saw this as a win all the way around. He has to have help from Russia to win another election. He also has to continue to pay them back for the last election. And don't forget, when he is out of the WH, he is going to need some money in order to make payments on his enormous debt all while continuing his lifestyle. Much of that over the last ten years has come in the form of loans from Russian outlets. It's his revolving line of credit. It also panders to his base as stated above. Like many populists, he knows his base is borderline isolationists.

Guy is just an idiot but these are some of the ways he can come up with such foolishness. Maybe I'm just dumb enough to think at his level.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 10:56 AM

10. Definitely not Bolton

He's the worst neo-con warmonger in there.

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