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Botany

(70,447 posts)
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:24 PM Dec 2018

Is This Enough to get some Trump backers to give up on him?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142231390

Cell signal puts Cohen outside Prague around time of purported Russian meeting


So if Cohen met and paid off hackers along with Kremlin officials in the late
Summer of 2016 at the behest of Donald Trump will that be enough to make
Trump backers give up on him? Or is the real crime Hillary's email server?
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Is This Enough to get some Trump backers to give up on him? (Original Post) Botany Dec 2018 OP
Sadly, no wryter2000 Dec 2018 #1
It is a huge deal to those of us who closely follow the Mueller investigation. fleur-de-lisa Dec 2018 #2
Unless he disavows and repents for his racism, his base will never leave him. LonePirate Dec 2018 #3
To me, that is consistently the greatest shared value between tRump and his supporters. And what RKP5637 Dec 2018 #4
100% agree AlexSFCA Dec 2018 #20
The majority of them Ohiogal Dec 2018 #5
"The depths of their brainwashing is bottomless." Botany Dec 2018 #9
You showed remarkable restraint Ohiogal Dec 2018 #19
He is a regular @ the bar and a big Fox watcher too. Nothing will help him Botany Dec 2018 #25
That area is Republican to the core, but a Democrat came close this time. True Blue American Dec 2018 #32
Not my area ... we are blue but the gerrymandering is massive Botany Dec 2018 #39
You said it. True Blue American Dec 2018 #41
He can roast and eat an an infant on live TV. Dave Starsky Dec 2018 #6
Kick for the conservative thinks tanks lurking here. Kingofalldems Dec 2018 #7
And many within those think tanks understand and agree with what we are saying. erronis Dec 2018 #34
No. They're not following this stuff, and they wouldn't care if they knew. NT enough Dec 2018 #8
I think you already know the answer to that question awesomerwb1 Dec 2018 #10
This is evidence. Evidence is not considered by Trump supporters. Kablooie Dec 2018 #11
Wasn't Melania or the Princess there too? Kingofalldems Dec 2018 #12
The story is that both Jared and Ivanka were in Prague too. Botany Dec 2018 #16
Convince enid602 Dec 2018 #13
No way... BlueJac Dec 2018 #14
Hillary . Please c'mon now do you know nothing about deplorables ? lunasun Dec 2018 #15
In the fact-free zone? Naaa..... mwooldri Dec 2018 #17
.... UpInArms Dec 2018 #18
Nope, it'll be just another Heartstrings Dec 2018 #21
kool-ade drinkers all. niyad Dec 2018 #22
Kick this one. Kingofalldems Dec 2018 #23
No. Deplorable to the end. Doubtful any of them Golden Raisin Dec 2018 #24
No. It requires a complexity of thinking they don't possess and don't want to possess. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2018 #26
I wonder when Bob Mueller shows them pictures and tapes of Cohen paying off Russian Hackers in ... Botany Dec 2018 #28
No. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #27
He could appear at one of his rallies matt819 Dec 2018 #29
Nothing will alienate is cult base. He could BBQ kittens in the Rose Garden and they'd swoon. Vinca Dec 2018 #30
"Trump backers" handmade34 Dec 2018 #31
Nope. Example: Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2018 #33
+1. What an ignorant idiot dalton99a Dec 2018 #36
They don't care, and they don't want to know. dalton99a Dec 2018 #35
Nope NastyRiffraff Dec 2018 #37
Trumpists are a CULT, existing in a manufactured alternate reality, impervious to objective facts. VOX Dec 2018 #38
I think his lie about the 10% salary increase or the military will malaise Dec 2018 #40

fleur-de-lisa

(14,624 posts)
2. It is a huge deal to those of us who closely follow the Mueller investigation.
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:27 PM
Dec 2018

To the rubes who worship Cheeto, it will mean nothing. Shitler will say "it has nothing to do with me" and the TrumpHumpers will agree. Sad!

LonePirate

(13,408 posts)
3. Unless he disavows and repents for his racism, his base will never leave him.
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:29 PM
Dec 2018

Cohen being in Prague and everything in the Steele Doosier being true will not change his base’s opinion of him. They do not care about how he won. They only care that he is a dumb racist just like they are.

RKP5637

(67,086 posts)
4. To me, that is consistently the greatest shared value between tRump and his supporters. And what
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:33 PM
Dec 2018

they cheer loudest for at his rallies. Other supporters are primarily concerned about $$$$$'s and what he brings/might bring them.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
20. 100% agree
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:21 PM
Dec 2018

E.g., if he decides to soften his immogration stance, that would be the only way for him to lose his supporters. As far as DNC e-mail, they actually support the hacking cause “dems are not people”.

Ohiogal

(31,907 posts)
5. The majority of them
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:37 PM
Dec 2018

think Russia did us all a big favor conspiring to get Trump elected by any means possible. So, no.

The depths of their brainwashing is bottomless.

Botany

(70,447 posts)
9. "The depths of their brainwashing is bottomless."
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:50 PM
Dec 2018

I was eating a meal @ a local pub* the other day and the guy in the both behind me
kept going on and on to the man he was sitting w/ about how much money "the O man"
had stolen from him in the past 8 years.

* Clintonville area of Columbus, OH

Ohiogal

(31,907 posts)
19. You showed remarkable restraint
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:15 PM
Dec 2018

Not hauling off and punching him in the face.

I assume you did not, anyway. lol

Ohio has our share of MAGAidiots, for sure

Botany

(70,447 posts)
25. He is a regular @ the bar and a big Fox watcher too. Nothing will help him
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:37 PM
Dec 2018

Besides he is really big too.

True Blue American

(17,981 posts)
32. That area is Republican to the core, but a Democrat came close this time.
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 03:17 PM
Dec 2018

Columbus was Kasich’s district, gerrymandered clear up to Marion.

erronis

(15,181 posts)
34. And many within those think tanks understand and agree with what we are saying.
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 03:20 PM
Dec 2018

But that's not their job - to try to correct the course of their mission and leadership. Basically, they're in it for the money and the access to power.

And to be able to write yet another tiresome story about what they witnessed and what truth really is, this time really.

awesomerwb1

(4,265 posts)
10. I think you already know the answer to that question
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:51 PM
Dec 2018

There is nothing he can do to get most MAGAts to stop worshipping him.

Kablooie

(18,608 posts)
11. This is evidence. Evidence is not considered by Trump supporters.
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:52 PM
Dec 2018

They react from pure emotion and tribalism.
No amount of evidence would Change their opinions.

Botany

(70,447 posts)
16. The story is that both Jared and Ivanka were in Prague too.
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:03 PM
Dec 2018

As of now it is just an internet story now. But we do have pictures of
both Jared and Ivanka in Europe around that time.

The famous picture of Wendy Deng (Vlad's girlfriend and the former Mrs. Murdoch)
and Ivanka in Sofia, Bulgaria was from around that time.

enid602

(8,594 posts)
13. Convince
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 12:53 PM
Dec 2018

If this doesn’t convince them there’s always Deutschebank/loans, Epstein/Katie Johnson, Rosneft/Putin/brokerage fee and Falwell, Jr/Pool boy/blackmail.

mwooldri

(10,299 posts)
17. In the fact-free zone? Naaa.....
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:11 PM
Dec 2018

When you have Republican senators privately tell outgoing senator Claire McCaskill that Trump is nuts but they still support him... that tells you all you need to know about the cult of Trump.

Golden Raisin

(4,605 posts)
24. No. Deplorable to the end. Doubtful any of them
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:35 PM
Dec 2018

could point out Prague (or Czech Republic) on a map. And that goes for Trump too.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,652 posts)
26. No. It requires a complexity of thinking they don't possess and don't want to possess.
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:38 PM
Dec 2018

It's just an inconvenient fact they can tell themselves is fake or, if real, doesn't matter anyway.

Botany

(70,447 posts)
28. I wonder when Bob Mueller shows them pictures and tapes of Cohen paying off Russian Hackers in ...
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 01:45 PM
Dec 2018

.... in Prague in order to rig the elections how many will tune into Rush/Hannity to learn the real
truth and that this is all a deep state conspiracy being spread through Hillary's email server and
the liberal media to make Trump look bad.

Do you ever stop to think this is the biggest criminal operation in the history of the world?

matt819

(10,749 posts)
29. He could appear at one of his rallies
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 02:17 PM
Dec 2018

in a Hitler uniform, complete with black mustache and swastika banners, and they would still cheer, adding Sieg Heil to their chants. So, no, nothing will change their minds. Not when the Secretary of State talks about fighting until the rapture and they all keep fear mongering about black and brown people. Not when the Big Lies keep coming, and even as they keep changing. They are going to remain steadfast in their cultish obsession.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,955 posts)
33. Nope. Example:
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 03:19 PM
Dec 2018

I am sorry, but this strikes me as false. This guy has a passport, he would have had to go through customs and fill out a form. They know when he left the country and when he came back, if he ever went to meeting out of the country. It’s not complex. “His cellphone was there” means nothing without his passport and person registered.

This is all about the “Russia Russia Russia”, so they don’t have to face the music about political spying with Federal government assets.

12 posted on 12/27/2018, 2:50:39 PM by Pete Dovgan


NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
37. Nope
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 03:25 PM
Dec 2018

They won't understand the significance. Even if Trump himself had been in Prague for a secret Russian meeting they wouldn't care.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
38. Trumpists are a CULT, existing in a manufactured alternate reality, impervious to objective facts.
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 04:20 PM
Dec 2018

There is NOTHING that would make Trumpists turn away from their leader.

The right-wing feedback system (Fox, hate radio, Russian trolls, etc.) reinforces daily their delusional beliefs, with non-stop florid tales of the latest attacks to malign and undermine their heroic, embattled Leader, who is fighting a desperate, defensive campaign against the Soros-funded, Obama/Clinton-led, godless, “Deep State” Democrat (sic) pedophile Armies of Darkness.

Sound insane? Of course it does, because it is. Sound far-fetched? Spend an hour reading Breitbart, or watch 10 minutes of Hannity. Take a dervish-spin through social media, using the search terms “patriot” and “liberty,” and read the unbridled, bottomless hatred in the user comments.

If you do, you’ll see that my first paragraph above is actually the lighter fare. American democracy is in deep trouble.

malaise

(268,692 posts)
40. I think his lie about the 10% salary increase or the military will
Thu Dec 27, 2018, 06:10 PM
Dec 2018

Do more damage than anything else. That's the one that will finish him off.

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