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Fri Dec 28, 2018, 05:50 PM

Breaking...Trump is the worst president in history


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Reply Breaking...Trump is the worst president in history (Original post)
pbmus Dec 2018 OP
malaise Dec 2018 #1
pbmus Dec 2018 #2
malaise Dec 2018 #4
Baltimike Dec 2018 #3
Gothmog Dec 2018 #5
ProudLib72 Dec 2018 #18
Caliman73 Dec 2018 #6
BootinUp Dec 2018 #11
rwsanders Dec 2018 #23
The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2018 #7
Pope George Ringo II Dec 2018 #14
Poiuyt Dec 2018 #8
BootinUp Dec 2018 #9
Achilleaze Dec 2018 #10
MyOwnPeace Dec 2018 #15
DavidDvorkin Dec 2018 #12
BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #19
Takket Dec 2018 #13
PeeJ52 Dec 2018 #16
LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #17
House of Roberts Dec 2018 #20
Liberty Belle Dec 2018 #21
PatrickforO Dec 2018 #22
Martin Eden Dec 2018 #24

Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 05:52 PM

1. Breaking?

The world knows that.

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Response to malaise (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 05:53 PM

2. Thought you would catch that...

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Response to pbmus (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 05:55 PM

4. Hehehe

Too good.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 05:54 PM

3. How is this breaking? LOL. In other news, he's the best Russian asset EVER nt

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 06:01 PM

5. There is one POTUS who is happy about this

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 08:09 PM

18. I hear he is doing great things

Now that the weight of being worst president ever has been lifted. Be best, president Buchanan!

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 06:17 PM

6. I have to disagree.

It is a survey so I guess it is just opinion, but as much as I think that Trump will go down in history as one of the worst in history, I cannot give him the bottom spot. Not as long as we continue to count James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson in the rankings. George Bush might still beat out Trump.

I understand why Trump is being considered. He is only two years into his term and he appears to have decreased America's standing in the world, appears to be allowing Russia to dictate global affairs, has denigrated the office of the presidency and several other institutions by his behavior in office, and seems poised at any moment to plunge the world into war or other chaos. He certainly has the potential to be the worst. However, I think that people may be caught up in the emotions of now and are not looking at things with a more objective frame of reference.

James Buchanan is the president who could have prevented, or at least mitigated the Civil War, a conflict that was one of the most destructive events in American Hisotry. A tragedy that cost 300,000 Union lives and killed another 300,000 Confederate traitors. The conflict fundamentally altered the course of American History and while good leaders like Lincoln, Grant, Sherman, and Sheridan were able to navigate the Union through the conflict, the scars of that conflict are still felt today, which leads me to Andrew Johnson, the exact worst person to be in office at the time of Reconstruction. A racist, Confederate sympathizer who allowed White Supremacy to continue rather than humbling the South and allowing Black Americans the rights paid for with American blood. His presidency set the stage for the next 100 years of oppression for Black Americans which was only partially alleviated in the 1960's with the Civil Rights movement.

In the modern era, George Bush because of incompetence presided over the most devastating terrorist attack on US soil claiming 3,000 Americans, then proceeded to launch the global war on terror (GWOT), first invading Afghanistan to supposedly hunt down Bin Laden, but letting him get away, then invading Iraq which had nothing to do with terrorism. Bush's incompetence or malice cost the US 5,000 more deaths and trillions of dollars and has devastated Iraq and Afghanistan.

Again, I am not saying that Trump cannot be the worst president in history. He certainly has that potential, but he hasn't because of his own incompetence, been able to be as successful in getting his agenda through to create the damage that Bush was able to do. Time will tell, but I can't objectively say he is the worst, yet.

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Response to Caliman73 (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 07:02 PM

11. In the context of the challenges of the time

I gotta go with Trump.

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Response to Caliman73 (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 08:35 PM

23. Great summary.

I've been ranking the best based on challenges overcome, which to me leaves FDR and Lincoln as 1 and 2.
But never thought of major failures as a converse criteria for worst. So I like your list.
Have you seen the series "American History for Truthdiggers" over at Truthdig.com?
But you may already know everything he covered there.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 06:34 PM

7. And in a forgotten attic of the White House...

the ghosts of James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Warren Harding and Richard Nixon are celebrating.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 07:46 PM

14. Nixon wasn't in that conversation.

His failings are legendary, but he's the guy who created the EPA. That's not enough to make him top thirty, but it gets him out of the mid-40s. The worst are train wrecks with no saving graces at all.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 06:49 PM

8. The original article was almost a year old

But I'm still happy to kick this!

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 07:00 PM

9. Awesome achievement for the Doturd. Nt

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 07:02 PM

10. So much winning!


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Response to Achilleaze (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 07:48 PM

15. Yep!

Wonder if he's tired of all of the winning?

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 07:25 PM

12. My great fear is that he won't keep that title.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 08:22 PM

19. That idea has me worried too.

I know that many do not have a memory longer than a nanosecond and forgive and forget only to repeat the mistake, often making it even worse.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 07:27 PM

13. on the other hand he's the best president in Russian history

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 08:03 PM

16. He would probably take it as a compliment

 

Such as he's the best at being the worst....

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 08:07 PM

17. Another beneficiary


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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 08:26 PM

20. Trump is the worst breaking pResident in history.

Everything he touches dies too.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 08:27 PM

21. To me, Trump is the worst because he is a traitor.

Other presidents failings were largely due to bumbling and incompetence, not intentional malfeasance and certainly not conspiring with a foreign enemy power to orchestrate the downfall of our democratic system of government.

The others were worse in terms of lives lost, so their lasting negative impacts may be greater.

But as far as being beyond incompetent or even corrupt, Trump has sunk to a level I hope we shall never see again.

We have also never had a president who lied about virtually everything, sought to villify the media, and failed to respect the Constitution and separation of powers, as well as being a racist and white supremacist, and decimating our environmental laws. He also has no concern even for the lives of children -- putting kids in cages and ripping babies from mother's arms. Other than the mistreatment of our Native Americans by Andrew Jackson, no other president has done something so wicked to people on American soil.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2018, 08:31 PM

22. We all KNEW this, but the great thing about this new survey....

It will drive Trump NUTS.

He's already circling the drain.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 12:05 PM

24. Trump is the most contemptible

In my lifetime of 61 years, GW Bush and LBJ have done the most damage.

Trump may top them before he's done, but so far he hasn't gotten us mired in another devastating war.

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