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Thu Jan 3, 2019, 08:48 AM

Pelosi breaks with Justice: Trump can be indicted

In an interview to air on NBC's "Today," co-anchor Savannah Guthrie asks Nancy Pelosi, who will become House speaker at around 1:30 pm Thursday: "Do you believe the special counsel should honor and observe the Department of Justice guidance that states a sitting president cannot be indicted?"

The big picture: Pelosi replied, according to an excerpt from NBC: "No, I mean I don't think ó I do not think that that is conclusive. No, I do not." With that response, she becomes the highest ranking official to suggest President Trump could be indicted while in office.

Pelosi is ready to rumble, planning to maintain the unyielding posture she took with Trump in their Oval Office standoff before the shutdown.

She tells USA Today that Trump is now entering a "different world."

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Reply Pelosi breaks with Justice: Trump can be indicted (Original post)
kpete Jan 2019 OP
malaise Jan 2019 #1
olegramps Jan 2019 #16
defacto7 Jan 2019 #25
Cha Jan 2019 #2
Vinca Jan 2019 #3
jcgoldie Jan 2019 #4
2naSalit Jan 2019 #21
duforsure Jan 2019 #5
UTUSN Jan 2019 #6
NewJeffCT Jan 2019 #7
watoos Jan 2019 #8
honest.abe Jan 2019 #10
NewJeffCT Jan 2019 #12
watoos Jan 2019 #14
honest.abe Jan 2019 #15
NewJeffCT Jan 2019 #22
honest.abe Jan 2019 #23
rusty fender Jan 2019 #29
honest.abe Jan 2019 #9
onetexan Jan 2019 #24
SpruceMoe1 Jan 2019 #11
Farmer-Rick Jan 2019 #17
triron Jan 2019 #30
bluestarone Jan 2019 #13
calimary Jan 2019 #18
Liberty Belle Jan 2019 #19
olegramps Jan 2019 #28
dalton99a Jan 2019 #20
Me. Jan 2019 #26
Hassler Jan 2019 #27

Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 08:50 AM

1. Lock him up!

Rec

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Response to malaise (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 11:01 AM

16. No president can be indicted is a Republican obstruction measure not founded in law.

It stands in direct contradiction to the American principle that no man regardless of position is above the law. It stands in stark contrast to the outlandish concept that royalty claimed in being above judgment by any one. If this stands then flush the rest of the constitution down the toilet and join with the Republican Party that has been pursuing a authoritarian presidency for over fifty years. Their goal has been to establish an oligarchical cabinet with a authoritarian president and making the congress nothing more than a mockery without authority. It is why Trump admires dictatorships and aspires to tyranny.

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Response to olegramps (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 11:52 AM

25. Tell that to Kavanagh

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 08:50 AM

2. I would think so.. why should

anyone be above the law?

Thanks, Nancy!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 08:51 AM

3. No one is above the law.

I want his orange ass frog marched out the front door of the White House.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 08:52 AM

4. "breaks with justice"?

I assume they mean the Justice Department, but this is a pretty Trumpian title.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 11:15 AM

21. Yeah, could have been worded dfferently and more on point...nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 09:00 AM

5. I agree

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 10:06 AM

6. K&R

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 10:15 AM

7. The guidelines were originally written by Justice Dept under Nixon

and approved by a Nixon appointed AG.

They were re-affirmed under Bill Clinton by a Clinton appointed AG.

However, I think the crimes and abuses of Trump are so numerous and so vast in scale and scope that Mueller may feel he has no choice but to indict

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 10:30 AM

8. Yes, the headline is misleading,

it is not settled law that a sitting president can't be indicted.

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Response to watoos (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 10:33 AM

10. Yep.

This will end up at SCOTUS I am certain.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 10:51 AM

12. I'm sure "I like beer" Bart O'Kavanaugh

will do the right thing and recuse himself from hearing the case.

Leading constitutional authority Laurence Tribe believes a sitting president CAN be indicted.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 10:55 AM

14. I'm only an internet lawyer but,

I believe our founders intended that no one is above the law, especially the president. They didn't want America ruled by a president/king.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 11:00 AM

15. I dont think we need Bart's vote.

Roberts will be the swing.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #15)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 11:16 AM

22. True

but, didn't Earl Warren & Felix Frankfurter hold out on Brown v Board of Education in order to get a 9-0 vote? Will Roberts be similar in trying to get an enduring legacy that heavily affirms that nobody is above the law?

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 11:25 AM

23. I doubt Roberts would do that.

There is no love lost between he and Trump. Recall the ACA vote. Trump ridiculed and insulted Roberts for his vote. Roberts wont be out for revenge but he also wont go out of his way to help him in any way.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 03:48 PM

29. Right, but per the Rachel Maddow podcast, "Bag Man"

the Nixon DOJ said that a sitting Vice President can be indicted, but not a sitting President. This DOJ ruling hasnít been tested in the courts so Trumpassís crimes may bust this save Nixonís ass guideline

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 10:32 AM

9. Pelosi: "We shouldn't be impeaching for a political reason, and we shouldn't avoid impeachment...

for a political reason."

Perfectly stated.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 11:46 AM

24. i'm bowing down to this great woman leader

Oh mighty goddess, deliver us from the horror that is trump

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 10:34 AM

11. he's a president not a king

The president is not above the law.

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Response to SpruceMoe1 (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 11:09 AM

17. Yeah, even kings got slapped down with the magna carta

In 1215, under the threat of civil war, the British king declared that the sovereign was subject to the rule of law in the Magna Carta.

So, when Kavanaugh, the Justice Department, Nixon, Clinton and Traitor Trump declare that a sitting president can't be indicted, they are giving the president power that even a British king hasn't had for over 800 years. They are severely damaging the foundation of individual rights of Anglo American jurisprudence.

Talk about destroying our legal system, this will do it. Because who else are you going to exempt? How about Senators? Judges? Anyone claiming they were breaking the law for the president? Cabinet members? Anyone wh pays off the president? A CEO who gave money to the president?

If he really gets this more than kingly power, you can bet your bottom dollar, he's going to make money off it.

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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 04:08 PM

30. This is educational. I did not realize. Excellent post.

Pukes want to take us back to the dark ages.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 10:53 AM

13. Oh yea she's right on the money here!!

FULLY AGREE!!!!!!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 11:12 AM

18. Go get him, Nancy!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 11:12 AM

19. The Founding Fathers would never have wanted a president who conspired with a foreign government

to undermine national security to remain in office a heartbeat after the crime was discovered.

While it's doubtful they would have considered philandering or lying about it to be worth removing an otherwise good president from office (they were not saints), they would never have countenanced keeping a traitor in office.

If that same government has bought off members of Congress, then unquestionably the judicial branch must exercise its checks and balances powers to step in.

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Response to Liberty Belle (Reply #19)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 03:16 PM

28. In fact they cautioned against any foreign entanglements.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 11:14 AM

20. Absolutely

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 12:21 PM

26. Not Exactly What She Said

she said "I do not think that that is conclusive" which is right in the middle of yes and no.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2019, 03:09 PM

27. President Ulysses Grant was arrested for speeding by a DC cop and had to post bail. No one is above

The law.

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