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Trump - Santa Ana Tried To Take Land From Texans Too - How'd That Work Out? (Original Post) PaulX2 Jan 2019 OP
Actually, Santa Ana was trying to take back his own property stolen by Texans leftofcool Jan 2019 #1
Yes. For many years Texas was considered to be a far northern territory or state of Mexico. Anglos dameatball Jan 2019 #10
Santa Ana was a buffoon, but his heart was in the right place. Aristus Jan 2019 #2
Come and Take It nocoincidences Jan 2019 #3
A "Come And Take It" bumper sticker is a sure sign of a shithead. Paladin Jan 2019 #9
So Rump is comparing himself to Santa Ana? ProudLib72 Jan 2019 #4
It's Santa Anna dalton99a Jan 2019 #5
It's the Santa Ana Winds. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2019 #6
+1. Blowing very very strongly dalton99a Jan 2019 #8
One of those hot dry Santa Anas that come down through the mountain passes? Brother Buzz Jan 2019 #11
Growing up in Texas, they never taught us that... displacedtexan Jan 2019 #7

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
1. Actually, Santa Ana was trying to take back his own property stolen by Texans
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:03 PM
Jan 2019

It didn't work out so well for Texans either. Actually, all of America is stolen property and those of you not here originally or descended from those not here originally are simply squatters.

dameatball

(7,394 posts)
10. Yes. For many years Texas was considered to be a far northern territory or state of Mexico. Anglos
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:25 PM
Jan 2019

were allowed to settle in that area as long as they were loyal to Mexico and abided by Mexican laws. Over time, Anglos started to split away from Mexico and began promising land grants for Americans who would move to Texas. It became nothing other than a land grab.
Eventually they formed a provisional government on Mexican soil.

I just finished "Duel of Eagles" by Jeff Long. It is a novel, but does a great job of laying out the history of the region. Very well researched and includes extensive footnotes.

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
2. Santa Ana was a buffoon, but his heart was in the right place.
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:05 PM
Jan 2019

He was trying to prevent the spread of slavery into Mexican territory.

The leadership at the Alamo was composed almost entirely of slave-owners or supporters of slavery.

nocoincidences

(2,216 posts)
3. Come and Take It
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:10 PM
Jan 2019

is a Texas slogan that refers to the Battle of Gonzales over a cannon, but it is a big deal to Texans, a stand your ground kind of refusal to be pushed around.

Here's a little explanation of it:

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/Texas-revolution-Come-and-Take-It-flag-Gonzales-13275757.php

Paladin

(28,243 posts)
9. A "Come And Take It" bumper sticker is a sure sign of a shithead.
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:22 PM
Jan 2019

They are generally accompanied by NRA and pro-trump messages. Like I say: shitheads.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
4. So Rump is comparing himself to Santa Ana?
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:13 PM
Jan 2019

He's the one trying to take Texan's land under eminent domain, but I guess that doesn't matter.

Brother Buzz

(36,383 posts)
11. One of those hot dry Santa Anas that come down through the mountain passes?
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:48 PM
Jan 2019

"There was a desert wind blowing that night. It was one of those hot dry Santa Anas that come down through the mountain passes and curl your hair and make your nerves jump and your skin itch. On nights like that every booze party ends in a fight. Meek little wives feel the edge of the carving knife and study their husbands' necks. Anything can happen. You can even get a full glass of beer at a cocktail lounge." ― Raymond Chandler, Red Wind: A Collection of Short Stories

Arguably the best opening passage to any hard-boiled mystery fiction, bar none.

Back when I was a kid, we called it the Santana ("Satanás" meaning Satan), and in Northern California, the North Wind (same phenomenon) was sometimes called the Diablo wind (Diablo wind meaning devil wind).

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
7. Growing up in Texas, they never taught us that...
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 01:20 PM
Jan 2019

... the "volunteer" defenders of the Alamo were hired mercenaries, that Jim Bowie (pronounced BOO-ee) was married to a Mexican woman whose father was the governor of one of the provinces & her family owned a huge chunk of "Texican" land, or that slavery had anything to do with it.

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