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Sat Jan 12, 2019, 08:19 AM

Obama's little-noticed gift to the USA on his way out the door, in January 2017.

Just before he left, Obama signed an executive order that made it much easier for the FBI to investigate Trump and his co-conspirators.

Thanks also to Loretta Lynch and James Clapper for their part of this.

These tweets are part of a much longer thread -- the whole thing is worth reading.






https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/us/politics/nsa-gets-more-latitude-to-share-intercepted-communications.html


Jan. 12, 2017

WASHINGTON — In its final days, the Obama administration has expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.

The new rules significantly relax longstanding limits on what the N.S.A. may do with the information gathered by its most powerful surveillance operations, which are largely unregulated by American wiretapping laws. These include collecting satellite transmissions, phone calls and emails that cross network switches abroad, and messages between people abroad that cross domestic network switches.

The change means that far more officials will be searching through raw data. Essentially, the government is reducing the risk that the N.S.A. will fail to recognize that a piece of information would be valuable to another agency, but increasing the risk that officials will see private information about innocent people.

Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch signed the new rules, permitting the N.S.A. to disseminate “raw signals intelligence information,” on Jan. 3, after the director of national intelligence, James R. Clapper Jr., signed them on Dec. 15, according to a 23-page, largely declassified copy of the procedures.



The tweets above are included toward the end of this very long thread, accessible at this link even to those not on Twitter (but you should be). It's all worth reading:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1083931796419563520.html

We don’t know what actions that investigation took.

It is fair to assume it included mining ongoing intel from our own resources at the NSA, etc., as well as from allies.

That would have the effect of putting relevant work-product of any ally’s spying in Mueller’s hands.

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Meaning, even if we weren’t eavesdropping on Trump’s convo w Putin, his late-night phone calls, his admin’s back-channel contacts with Russians, etc... someone was.

Whether it was the UK, Germany, Estonia, Spain, Israel, Australia or whomever, EVERYONE spies on Russia...

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...and Mueller had an open folder just waiting to be filled with whatever tasty


17/
Okay, I’m spinning like a top here so let me bring this in for a landing:

Trump has spent the last two years trying to obstruct an investigation into 2016 events...

...and little did he know, his biggest problem would prove to be what he was doing in 2017-2018.

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Reply Obama's little-noticed gift to the USA on his way out the door, in January 2017. (Original post)
pnwmom Jan 12 OP
malaise Jan 12 #1
LiberalBrooke Jan 12 #2
PunkinPi Jan 12 #3
GoCubsGo Jan 12 #4
delisen Jan 12 #5
Hermit-The-Prog Jan 12 #6
pnwmom Jan 12 #7
delisen Jan 12 #9
pnwmom Jan 12 #11
delisen Jan 12 #16
pnwmom Jan 12 #42
samnsara Jan 12 #37
BigmanPigman Jan 12 #66
delisen Jan 13 #68
BigmanPigman Jan 13 #69
More_Cowbell Jan 12 #57
Hermit-The-Prog Jan 12 #8
Cha Jan 12 #64
blaze Jan 12 #10
pnwmom Jan 12 #12
Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 12 #15
volstork Jan 12 #24
N_E_1 for Tennis Jan 12 #13
debsy Jan 12 #14
Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 12 #17
scarytomcat Jan 12 #34
MLAA Jan 12 #36
debsy Jan 12 #41
Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 12 #44
luvallpeeps Jan 12 #65
Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 12 #67
Farmer-Rick Jan 12 #19
NBachers Jan 12 #51
Laura PourMeADrink Jan 12 #33
Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 12 #45
panader0 Jan 12 #18
watoos Jan 12 #20
pnwmom Jan 12 #43
spanone Jan 12 #21
ginnyinWI Jan 12 #22
blaze Jan 12 #23
Zoonart Jan 12 #25
BumRushDaShow Jan 12 #26
Hekate Jan 12 #48
BumRushDaShow Jan 12 #50
sl8 Jan 12 #27
paleotn Jan 12 #29
Laura PourMeADrink Jan 12 #35
paleotn Jan 12 #28
Hekate Jan 12 #49
pnwmom Jan 12 #53
paleotn Jan 12 #60
SayItLoud Jan 12 #30
Honeycombe8 Jan 12 #31
pnwmom Jan 12 #47
Honeycombe8 Jan 12 #61
pnwmom Jan 12 #62
Honeycombe8 Jan 12 #63
JayhawkSD Jan 12 #32
Ninga Jan 12 #38
pnwmom Jan 12 #40
coeur_de_lion Jan 12 #39
Hekate Jan 12 #46
CaptYossarian Jan 12 #52
Apollyonus Jan 12 #54
Scurrilous Jan 12 #55
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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 08:27 AM

1. Oops!

Get thee to.the greatest page

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 08:32 AM

2. Thank you President Obama

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 08:34 AM

4. Thank you, Mr. President!

We miss you!

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 08:37 AM

5. Still mystified why about by citizenry not being informed before Election Day.


Mc Connell's threat to politicize does not seem sufficient a reason.

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Response to delisen (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 08:41 AM

6. McConnell is complicit

Moscow Mitch doesn't want (a) his part uncovered, and (b) anything to interfere with his attempt to secure perpetual rule by the radical right.

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Response to delisen (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 08:42 AM

7. Because anyone who came forward would have been breaking the law,

and there was no one to protect them. No one with power in the House, the Senate, or the Justice Department.

The unified GOP could have smashed any whistleblower to pieces before the public understood what was happening.

Now we have a chance.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 08:51 AM

9. An address to the nation would not have been breaking the law though.


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Response to delisen (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 09:00 AM

11. Who could have divulged classified information in an address to the nation

without breaking the law?

No, it was more important to stay in place, protect Mueller, and wait for the Dems to take over. If the Dems had lost in 2018, then there would have been very hard choices to make.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 09:46 AM

16. I am referring to prior to the election.

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Response to delisen (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:12 PM

42. That wouldn't have done anything but make the American people feel more helpless

because it wouldn't have stopped the GOP and its electors from installing him. ON TOP of that, it would have told the Russians more than we needed them to know.

Time will tell, but Obama's decision seems justified to me.

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Response to delisen (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 11:39 AM

37. maybe it was to be kept a secret..

...a little unknown bomb that would explode at just the right moment

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Response to delisen (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 11:10 PM

66. Obama said that he thought Hillary would easily win so his decisions were

based on that assumption. Damn!

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #66)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 05:45 AM

68. It seems that Putin was greatly underestimated.

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Response to delisen (Reply #68)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 05:58 AM

69. Comey was the nail in the coffin.

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Response to delisen (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 06:16 PM

57. I think that President Obama thought that Hillary would win

And therefore the disclosure would look divisive. I think if he had it to do all over again, he'd release the information.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 08:49 AM

8. nice finish on that thread

From the threadreaderapp link:


Obama knew what he was doing.

He opened a hydrant knowing the FBI would someday need that water to put out a national inferno.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 08:19 PM

64. Wow! Yes, excellent finish, Hermit..

President Obama's parting gift to our Planet

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 09:00 AM

10. Remember that briefing with Comey, Grassley and Pelosi

The one where they walked out so grim and not saying a damn thing?

Bet that's when they learned there was active counter-intel re trump.

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/senate-intel-leaders-feinstein-and-grassley-grim-and-silent-after-trump-russia-briefings-with-comey/

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Response to blaze (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 09:01 AM

12. That sounds very plausible. nt

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Response to blaze (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 09:46 AM

15. +1

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Response to blaze (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 10:34 AM

24. I do remember that,

and the suggestion that they were reeling from learning that trump was the target of counterintelligence makes perfect sense now.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 09:29 AM

13. A gift to us by our last real president...

Things are going to get real. I wonder how far the water splashes and who gets wet. It could be a real eye opener.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 09:34 AM

14. I appreciate the position President Obama was in

but I also think that this whole thing should have been stopped dead in its tracks before the goon squad took control of the government. It is going to be much more difficult to reverse the damage now that he has the nuclear codes and they have purged so many people and replaced them with loyalists to themselves.

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Response to debsy (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 09:48 AM

17. They're hands not magic wands. Prez Obama did wonderfully

w what he had. WTF do you expect he shouldve done w mitch there to threaten and stymie him? Pres Obama=ZERO SCANDALS...and finished masterfully. Where were those god fearin' platitudinal repubs?

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Response to Crutchez_CuiBono (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 11:30 AM

34. I am worried about the mess caused by the secretaries of departments

that are running wild while dump creates the side show out front.
I will take years to clean that up.

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Response to scarytomcat (Reply #34)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 11:37 AM

36. So true.

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Response to Crutchez_CuiBono (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:05 PM

41. Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my original post.

I voted for Obama twice and I cried when he won both times. As I said, I understand the position he was in. Had the MSM and others in politics focused more on the possibilities that the Republican candidate was actually a Russian asset, rather than showing us empty podiums and talking about how unusual DT was, we might not be in this position right now. And, yes, I get the "would've, could've, should've" aspect of all this. We are where we are and have to deal with it.

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Response to debsy (Reply #41)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:46 PM

44. I believe you I'm just fricken flabbergasted.

Yes. We sure do have to deal with it. Ugh.
He...puts the flabber...in my ghasted as it were.

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Response to Crutchez_CuiBono (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 10:04 PM

65. where were the God fearin' repubs?

They were busy stuffing their pockets with that sweet Russian lucre.

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Response to luvallpeeps (Reply #65)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 11:41 PM

67. Aka Leningrad lettuce...

Leningrad Lettuce....and they will be reckoned with.

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Response to debsy (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 09:58 AM

19. Well put debsy

Why was writing a public letter about investigating Hillary and her e-mails right before the election NOT revealing secrets but keeping us all in the dark about a Russian asset running for president was?

I just listened to Joy Reed read that NYT article and what really seems kind of stupid is that the FBI seems hestitant and unsure how to proceed when it came to realizing what a real traitor Trump is. Why? Seems to me that very hesitant people were in charge and that at its core, the FBI was pushing for Trump and against Hillary.

I really think that the bottom line is that the FBI was/is filled with RepubliCON party loyalists who were more interested in winning elections then in upholding the US constitution.

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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #19)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 04:29 PM

51. I think you are right- Consider Giuliani's cell of Hillary-hating FBI'ers feeding him damaging info.

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Response to debsy (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 11:27 AM

33. I know! I agree. Even after we reverse all the

Damage...he has tarnished everything forever more.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #33)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:49 PM

45. I think maybe today they are waking up to a new reality that thier little

Game of Thrones is seeing some sunshine and they are weighing whether they want to truly be part of this WHEN ITS OPEN AND OBVIOUS. At least I hope so. Just unbelievable. Old Mitch couldve stopped this instead of threatening Pres Obama w some sort of blackmail. Mitch......ooooooooo....you.....YOUUuuuuuu.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 09:52 AM

18. Recommended.

But we can't forget the sanctions--They led to a lot of trouble for
spanky and the clowns.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 10:01 AM

20. We have had 5 eyes for quite a while now.

Our government is not allowed to spy on American citizens communications, but one of the other 4 countries in 5 eyes can and then share that information with us. So we didn't really spy on Kushner communicating with MBS or Trump communicating with Putin but let's say the U.K. did. The U.K. can reveal what they found to our intelligence agency. That back channel that Kushner talked about creating with Russia may not have been so private.

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Response to watoos (Reply #20)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:14 PM

43. Right. We have had 5 eyes. The difference now is that the raw data automatically

gets shared by all the agencies. The FBI, which can only use it for counter-intelligence purposes, doesn't have to wait for the NSA to guess what it might need.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 10:03 AM

21. K&R...

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 10:05 AM

22. What a a refreshing thread!

I love that we can focus on the Good Guys in this national melodrama, not the Orange Stain and his ilk. We know we'll be okay and should focus on the coming of the sunrise. Don't waste time on evil.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 10:17 AM

23. Thank you President Obama. nt

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 10:35 AM

25. Thank you, President Obama.

You are a true patriot and hero of the Republic. Miss you and your beautiful family so much.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 10:39 AM

26. As I recall hearing too

evidence was also scattered among multiple parties in order to preserve it.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #26)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 03:30 PM

48. I remember that clearly: Biden told us flat-out that no one could walk into a single department...

...and bag everything for the shredder and incinerator, thinking they had destroyed the evidence and stopped the investigation, because he and Obama had spread pieces of it it all over. Mueller by his own inclination is doing something similar afaict. People wonder what he's doing: well, aside from a conveyor belt of indictments, I think he's sending material out to the State of NY and such jurisdictions quite expeditiously.

We are in a world of trouble it is true, but we have friends and patriots among us still, and for that I am very grateful.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #48)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 04:17 PM

50. +1

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 10:54 AM

27. Of course, now the Trump administration has access to this expanded surveillance.

From https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/privacy-and-surveillance/president-obama-will-soon-turn-over-keys

President Obama Will Soon Turn Over the Keys to the Surveillance State to President-Elect Trump

Ashley Gorski, Staff Attorney, ACLU National Security Project
& Patrick Toomey, Senior Staff Attorney, ACLU National Security Project
November 21, 2016 | 12:15 PM

On January 20, President Obama will hand Donald Trump the keys to the surveillance state. Not only will Trump have the NSA’s incredibly powerful technological tools at his disposal, but he’ll also have the benefit of the overbroad and unconstitutional surveillance authorities embraced by the Obama administration — authorities that give tremendous discretion to executive branch officials.

These spying powers have long been cause for concern because they violate our core rights to privacy, freedom of expression, and freedom of association. But when wielded by a man who invited Russia to hack his political opponent, who reportedly eavesdropped on his own hotel guests, and who has called for expanded surveillance of Americans and especially American Muslims, they are all the more frightening. Fortunately, there are several ways to fight back against the surveillance state, including concrete steps you can take to protect yourself and your communications.

Here are two of the sweeping surveillance powers that President Obama is going to hand over to President Trump:

Executive Order 12333 is the primary authority under which the NSA conducts surveillance, and it encompasses a dizzying array of warrantless, high-tech spying programs. While much of this spying occurs outside the United States and is ostensibly directed at foreigners, vast quantities of Americans’ communications are nonetheless vacuumed up in the dragnet. That’s because, in today’s interconnected world, Americans’ communications are frequently sent, routed, or stored abroad — where they may be collected, often in bulk, in the course of the NSA’s spying activities.

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Response to sl8 (Reply #27)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 11:03 AM

29. Do you think they're intelligent enough to use it?

The rubes probably had no idea the EO existed.

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Response to sl8 (Reply #27)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 11:32 AM

35. Interesting. Didn't know he eavesdropped on guests. Nt

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 11:01 AM

28. Ironic, really...

Many of those who complained mighty or were at least uncomfortable with the NSA and its super data farm in Utah, its tapping into domestic data streams of every communications organization in the US.....are now overjoyed they were doing just that. I am one of those myself. Hopefully an ally has more than just the meta-data. Though that may be super incriminating in and of itself.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #28)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 03:36 PM

49. The irony does not escape me, as my husband and I are rooting for the survival of the FBI...

...as Trump tears it down in public every day.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #28)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 04:52 PM

53. No, that's not what it says. They are tapping into foreign data streams for counter-intelligence

purposes. Sometimes, yes, a US citizen is talking to a foreign counter-intelligence target, so that person gets recorded, too.

From the link in the OP:

The new rules significantly relax longstanding limits on what the N.S.A. may do with the information gathered by its most powerful surveillance operations, which are largely unregulated by American wiretapping laws. These include collecting satellite transmissions, phone calls and emails that cross network switches abroad, and messages []between people abroad that cross domestic network switches.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #53)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 07:05 PM

60. I stand corrected.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 11:08 AM

30. tRUMP strategy to debase, diminish and call into question EVERY law enforcement

agency, operation has convinced his base already. They will not change. Only when their idols, Hanratty, El Drugbo, et al are in some sort of legal jeopardy will I feel some ease. When these right wing self serving pigs (sorry pigs) have to start defending themselves with their own ill gotten $$ will they realize what they got themselves into. However, this could be such a massive undertaking for law, the courts and justice that many will slip away into the confusion.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 11:09 AM

31. If this is true, why didn't Trump simply revoke that EO, like he did others?

I don't get it.

But it's good those powers were broadened. I'm just perplexed by Trump and Flynn (head of the NSA) letting this EO slide.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #31)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:52 PM

47. Who would have told him to do so? Someone in his Cabinet full of generals? Other than the generals,

who would have advised him? Jared? Ivanka?

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #47)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 08:08 PM

61. Whoever told him about the other EOs?

Trump is ignorant, so there was someone around telling him what EOs of Obama's to rescind. I guess they missed one? Maybe they just focused on immigration and war powers and health care. OR...maybe it is rescinded now. But by the time Trump would have discovered it, the FBI was already on it and transferring it to Mueller, who didn't need an EO.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #61)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 08:11 PM

62. I think some of those generals were people sent in with the approval of the GOP to keep

him in some kind of order.

They weren't thrilled with him getting elected, but they thought they could manage him with some help. Those conservative generals were unlikely to object to an executive order making it easier for the FBI to do counter-intelligence.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #62)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 08:13 PM

63. It was probably the White House counsel advising him on Obama's EOs.

I doubt the generals would, except those pertaining to war powers. At least I'd think so. There are a lot of EOs...about immigration and all sorts of things. The generals wouldn't even review those. But I don't know.

I'd think the first thing you'd do upon taking office is to get someone to review all EOs signed in the final months of hte prior administration. But the Trump team didn't know what they were doing.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 11:18 AM

32. So, let me get this straight, if I may.

And let me preface it by saying that I have cast more votes for Democrats that most activist Democrats have eaten meals, and voted for Obama twice. I am emphatically not a Trump supporter, and despised everything about Bush.

Now that we have that straight. When Bush persuaded Congress to expand the ability of the government to spy on the American people we decried that as an abuse of power, but when Obama expanded the ability of the government to spy on the American people by executive order we cheer that because, in addition to spying on us, such spying might, repeat might possibly, bring down Trump.

Let's take that to its logical conclusion. Let's authorize the FBI to burn Washington DC to the ground because doing so might also burn down the White House and cause the death of Donald Trump. Let's authorize the Secret Service to plant a bomb at Andrews Air Force Base because by destroying that base we might also destroy Air Force One and Trump along with it.

An expansion of spying on the American people by government is an abomination and an abuse of power, even if it is Obama who does it, and even if it is done for the purpose of destroying Donald Trump.

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Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #32)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 11:40 AM

38. One of the most impossible things to imagine, is to walk in the shoes of the Excutive, the

President who is faced with making such a decision.

In my opinion, it's history that will judge. We are too mired in this constitutional crisis to see the forest for the trees.

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Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #32)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:03 PM

40. No, that is not what happened.. Just as before, the FBI can ONLY use the data,

which is collected on transmissions outside the US, but might route through here, for counter-intelligence purposes. The difference is that they don't have to rely on other agencies to know what to send to them for counter-intelligence purposes.

The new rules significantly relax longstanding limits on what the N.S.A. may do with the information gathered by its most powerful surveillance operations, which are largely unregulated by American wiretapping laws. These include collecting satellite transmissions, phone calls and emails that cross network switches abroad, and messages between people abroad that cross domestic network switches.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:18 PM

39. Really good stuff thank you for posting

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:44 PM

46. No drama Obama, just doing the right thing

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 04:42 PM

52. The thing about Obama

is that everyone knew how smart he is and he didn't have to sign his name and say "Taa-Daaa!"

Obama IS a stable genius.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 04:58 PM

54. I bet Trump will be taking a bottle of Immodium a day! n/t

 

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 05:28 PM

55. K&R

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 05:57 PM

56. You're likely to get some self righteous posts about invasion of privacy.

People that aren't doing something illegal or close to it don't have that complaint.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 06:23 PM

58. Remember that at the last minute, Pres. Obama moved Dana Boente lower in the DOJ order of succession

And Trump immediately reversed that, allowing Boente to remain in place in the critically important Eastern District of Virginia (EDVA). Until President Obama comes and tells me differently himself, I'll always believe that Obama and Boente agreed to make it look like Obama didn't trust Boente, so that a simpleton like Trump would, instead of investigating himself, just assume that Boente was on his side.

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Response to More_Cowbell (Reply #58)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 06:24 PM

59. I think your scenario makes sense. n/t

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