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Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:09 PM

Prosecute Donald Trump To The Full Extent Of The Law

Want Americans to feel like the country is fair? Think the rule of law is important? Prosecute powerful people when they commit crimes. Even people who worked for a president. Even a former president.

The story of 21st-century America is complex, but the narrative of powerful people behaving terribly and getting away with it is arguably the common thread. Consider the illegal torture operations of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and John Yoo. Reflect on the financial frauds perpetrated by Wall Street bankers and foreclosure mills last decade (they’re not exactly complying with the law this decade, either). Contemplate the big lies of fossil fuel executives like Exxon chair turned Secretary of State Rex Tillerson. Think about the violations of consent decrees, tax laws and antitrust statutes by the likes of Mark Zuckerberg, Sheryl Sandberg and the rest of Silicon Valley. Reckon with the horrifying conduct brought front and center by #MeToo. And then come to terms with the number of the aforementioned elites whose potential criminal liability has been taken seriously by prosecutors ― approximately zero.

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Should Trump’s successor, be it Mike Pence or a Democrat, pardon Trump? How should New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) and other state and local officials treat Trump as well as his children and cronies who seem exceedingly likely to have acted in a manner that warrants prosecution?

That Americans no longer trust their institutions or elites should not be a source of wonderment ― it should be seen as a rational response to the declining trustworthiness of the people with the most power in this country. If “with great power comes great responsibility,” then why is our criminal justice system so focused on jailing poor people for being unable to pay fines for modest offenses or nonviolent drug possession?

A just America would seek, first and foremost, to hold the most powerful Americans to account.

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The end of Trumpism will not be when Trump is defeated at the polls or even when he is impeached. It will be when America comes together as a nation and acts to ensure that elites like Trump who transgress against our shared laws suffer consequences proportionate to their actions.

more: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-trump-crimes-accountability_us_5c38ca9ee4b0c469d76db38c

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Reply Prosecute Donald Trump To The Full Extent Of The Law (Original post)
tenderfoot Jan 12 OP
dchill Jan 12 #1
empedocles Jan 12 #2
Mr. Ected Jan 12 #3
smirkymonkey Jan 12 #4
bdamomma Jan 12 #5
RainCaster Jan 12 #6
alwaysinasnit Jan 12 #19
Kingofalldems Jan 12 #7
2naSalit Jan 12 #8
Grasswire2 Jan 12 #9
blueinredohio Jan 12 #12
SWBTATTReg Jan 12 #10
duforsure Jan 12 #11
Initech Jan 12 #13
Mr.Bill Jan 12 #14
RainCaster Jan 12 #16
old guy Jan 12 #17
ffr Jan 12 #15
edhopper Jan 12 #18

Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:11 PM

1. And do it now. Do it last year.

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Response to dchill (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:17 PM

2. 'Do it last year' - and traitortrump may well have prevailed.

Mueller [even with a clearcut Gotti gangster case] and Pelosi, have understood, and understand there's much more to a conviction than a prima facie case.

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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:19 PM

3. This, this, a million times this

Unless we want to open the door to an endless line of public servants acting nefariously, we need to set examples of all politicians who dare to cross that line. To do otherwise makes a mockery of our republic.

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Response to Mr. Ected (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:22 PM

4. +1000

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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:44 PM

5. K&R

nt

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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:49 PM

6. Don't stop with DFT-- McConnell, Ryan, Bannon, and others too!

Send all those MFs to prison for a long time.

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Response to RainCaster (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:44 PM

19. +1000

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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 12:50 PM

7. Kick and rec.

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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:04 PM

8. K&R

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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:07 PM

9. YES and remind others what happened to the Rosenbergs.

Do we support that remedy?

I think I do even though I am generally opposed to the death penalty for crimes lesser than this.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:57 PM

12. I'm all for the death penalty for treason.

What I am against is poor people get years in prison(regular prison) for a couple ounces of pot but if you have money and are involved in politics you either get probation or very little federal prison time for lying to FBI or tax evasion or treason.

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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:13 PM

10. And none of these people deserve to be pardoned. They willingly committed crimes against ...

our country knowing full well that what they did was illegal and hid this from the rest of us.

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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:17 PM

11. I agree

If trump and his family don't receive the full penalty under the law, then they'll be a next time, and the results will be much worse, and we have no more room to get worse for a next time. Our justice system is based on it being fair and just, so if they escape anything then that can't be true.

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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:57 PM

13. Also McConnell, Hannity, Nunes, the NRA and Rohrabacher.

They're all in on it.

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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:22 PM

14. I've said it here many times, and I'll say it again.

We are where we are now because Nixon did not die in prison.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:35 PM

16. I feel you are right

Fuck the 'healing' our country needed. Look where that brought us.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:36 PM

17. Absolutely!

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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:22 PM

15. And prosecute them using the measure in effect when they did the crime.

Civilian candidate Individual-1 Donald J. Trump, however you want to call him, did many of these crimes as a civilian. And now we're being told he cannot be indicted for them because his is POTUS and a sitting POTUS cannot be indicted. WELL FUCK ALL! He wasn't president when he did the crime!

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Response to tenderfoot (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:41 PM

18. "Fuckin A"

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