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Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:58 PM

Greenwald is pushing this very dangerous flip of Dem history.

I've begun to see this all 'round social media. That Dems are the war-loving party and Trump is the peacemaker.

Here comes Greenwald with an essay to that effect in The Intercept.

I find it extremely cynical propaganda and dangerous.

[link:https://theintercept.com/2019/01/11/as-democratic-elites-reunite-with-neocons-the-partys-voters-are-becoming-far-more-militaristic-and-pro-war-than-republicans/|

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Reply Greenwald is pushing this very dangerous flip of Dem history. (Original post)
Grasswire2 Jan 12 OP
Claritie Pixie Jan 12 #1
dalton99a Jan 12 #2
Qutzupalotl Jan 12 #3
TomCADem Jan 12 #4
Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 12 #5
comradebillyboy Jan 12 #6
Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 12 #7
MineralMan Jan 12 #8
Grasswire2 Jan 12 #9
dalton99a Jan 12 #10
MineralMan Jan 12 #11
Grasswire2 Jan 12 #12
MineralMan Jan 12 #14
R B Garr Jan 12 #13
MineralMan Jan 12 #15
R B Garr Jan 12 #16
yardwork Jan 12 #22
JHan Jan 12 #19
MineralMan Jan 12 #23
Grasswire2 Jan 12 #17
UTUSN Jan 12 #18
betsuni Jan 12 #20
yardwork Jan 12 #21

Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:01 PM

1. He's a Russia propaganda pusher playing a part, as are others repeating that lie.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:02 PM

2. Russia's factories are testing their new models for the 2020 campaign

Be vigilant

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:02 PM

3. Trump appeasement

What to say in response to You Dems must want nuclear war with Russia!:

Say, I know which side Im on. Do YOU?

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:03 PM

4. I Guess He Napped Through Trump's Threats to Nuke North Korea?

Greendwald is sock puppet who happily attacked Democrats from the left. However, when Republicans took hold of all three branches of government, he almost played the role of a Trump defender in attacking the Mueller probe.

Also, who is threatening to back out of nuclear treaty with Russia? It wasn't President Obama.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:04 PM

5. Havent read it but thats rich. After 18 years of war and REQUIRED dedication by all Americans

to beat the war drums since 911. very rich indeed.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:14 PM

6. Glenn Garbagewald, another Russian asset.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:28 PM

7. This guy's full of shit. Yes there are Democratic politicians who much to my chagrin have

supported these bullshit wars. And some voters might've gone along. There are also those who pretty much betrayed the party and their voters to pretty much become repukes because they majority of the party wasn't bloodthirsty enough. Lieberman, that duel moron from Georgia, etc. Just like in the 80s some became Reaganites because they felt the party wasn't "anti-communist" enough. Or in the 60s when they felt party leaders weren't racist enough. On and on and on....

We've always had to battle a faction of the party which has been on the wrong side of history. What he fails to mention is that (maybe with the exception of civil rights, before the flip) these are right wing ideas.

I opposed that stupid ass Iraq war when he was all gun-ho for it. I take him at his word that he "evolved" 9n this. But then there is Russia. Where his own staff reporters have debated him and pretty much owned him. He has decided to bury his head in the sand. Reached a conclusion early on and twist the constant emerging facts in order to propagandize.

Do I want US troops to get the fuck out of the Middle East? You bet your ass. But there's 0 nuances in this article. Nowhere is the word Kurds mentioned. They are about to be abandoned to he massacred, in part, because of the clusterfuck his boys Jr. and Cheney created. Sure these things go back hundreds of years before the US even existed. But at the very minimum some NATO forces should remain in order to deter Turks, Syrians or whomever from exterminating the people who have had NATO's back from day one. You just can't run out and say "fuck it" without at least a halfway decent strategy and betray your allies.

When The Intercept was first announced I was all for it. But Greenwald's an asshole troll who always seems to find a way to kiss up to or excuse the Poopy Diaper Toddler supposedly in charge. But that doesn't lump me in with the Lieberman types in the party.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:53 PM

8. Greenwald is not a friend. In fact, he never was.

He's all tied up with Trump and the Russians. Why anyone ever paid any attention to him here, I do not understand.

Glenn Greenwald is a Libertarian with hooks to the Russians. He is not to be trusted. I said it many times in the past, when he was the darling of some DUers who are now long gone from DU.

Nothing he says is worthy of being on DU.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:56 PM

9. It's important to know the propaganda push that's happening.

It's seeping into the national conversation. A massive re-framing. Right before our eyes.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:57 PM

10. It's good to identify and expose such trash

Treasonous trash

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:59 PM

11. Yes. As long as everyone is aware of the slant of

what is being posted. Greenwald is not our friend. He never, ever was. He's not a leftist, either.

That's why you'll see my comments point that out in every thread I see that originates from the Intercept. Some people are still fooled by Greenwald and his ilk.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 03:01 PM

12. I'm also seeing this frame from people inclined to support Green Party.

So some entity is promoting it to them.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 03:03 PM

14. The Green Party is also not our friend in most things.

Jill Stein. Ralph Nader. I need say no more. They have cost us two presidencies. Fuck the Green Party! Fuck Glenn Greenwald!

When will we learn?

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 03:03 PM

13. The same thing happened to Hillary. A big propaganda push.

This is not new, especially from Greenwald. Its hard not to remember his BS about her spread here.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 03:05 PM

15. Most, but not all of those who touted Greenwald's nonsense here

are no longer on DU. They left, because their work was temporarily done. They'll be back, though. Some already are. Some never left. Some are already injecting their slow-acting poison on the 2020 primary season.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 03:15 PM

16. Amen to that, MM. I've noticed everything you described.

Some of these actors dont belong in this cycle anymore. Hopefully weve learned something. 🙏

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 06:37 PM

22. Yep.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 06:15 PM

19. you once suggested to me, even outrage over what he said isn't worth posting.

or words to that effect and you were right. He needs to be treated as a nonentity.

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Response to JHan (Reply #19)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 07:15 PM

23. I still feel the same.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 03:18 PM

17. I'm getting beaten up on a FB page for calling this a lie/propaganda. LOL

Interestingly, the members of the group on the page seem to be mostly located in South America or have very odd militaristic profiles.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 03:28 PM

18. K&R

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 06:34 PM

20. "Trump is not into killing, unlike Obama and Hillary."

Typical JPR comment in 2016. I think this "Dems are the real warmongers" stuff started after Snowden/Greenwald. It never ends.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Sat Jan 12, 2019, 06:35 PM

21. Greenwald is a Russian asset.

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